Cayman R Chat

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julian987R said:

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bencollins4 said:

The point is it isn’t worth £60k, that’s why it’s still for sale 7 months later. Doesn’t make any difference at all what he paid, none at all! I would say £50k is absolutely plenty.

You seem to be on a different planet to the rest of us sir……!

but white R with the factory red Spyders was £50K and as epic as that one is, it wasn't PTS.

Was that a private sale or from dealer? Also PTS was a £3k option back then, so if you're agreeing that a car with low mileage as the right spec is £50k - a PTS one is worth a fraction more.

Dealer I think it was.
Ok so 53, then double the 3 as its not like you can come at it afresh and order a PTS Cayman anew, so thats 56k, then 56 divided by 14 PTS R's in the world = 4K bonus, add the 4K = £60K. See i keep tell you.

But this a private sale?, so if it goes wrong or anything happens, no warranty or comeback - so knock around £5k off. Also PTS is only worth £3k if you're actually picking the colour. So if you really want viper green, then great, if not, then the colour doesn't make it worth any extra wedge.

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julian987R said:

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julian987R said:

To those questioning the price and selling intentions of Buds viper green R….

“…. just to say that yes I would sell for £60k, no I don't need to sell it and I paid £54k for it in 2018 and have done 5k miles in it since, so I reckon £60k is pretty fair money.

To all the people suggesting this is 20k over a car in another colour you are clearly deluded, please show me a 20k mile car with all the spec sold recently for 40k. They haven't, they have been 50k quid, so really not to bad. Regards colour, try buying a Viper green 997.1 RS without a £40k premium over a black or orange one, and eleven of those made the UK, yet alone worldwide.

Anyway, not bothered if I keep it, booked a driving holiday to the Alps and Pyrenees in June so will need a car of some sort.”

See…told you!

I think that he has mis-understood the point. A Cayman R can be had for £40k - a low mileage one is worth more, nobody is denying that. A PTS car is worth more still, completely agree - but £60K? That's too high a premium. But as I said, it's not really for sale.

huh? but it is for sale. Why does that seem to be hard to accept. If you don't want to spend £60K, fine, I am not his agent but if you did want to spend £60K it is indeed for sale. I don't get the debate on this. Anyhow, lets move on. I was just offering it up to the person who posted that they were looking for one sub 30K miles and manual.

If I put something up for sale at a price that they market won't stand, then it's not really for sale. If I was getting this car from JZM, then yeah I could see that they would put it up for sale at just under £60k but they wouldn't have paid £60k for it, more like £50k or just over. So that's what I reckon a private seller would pay for it (even with the special colour). Prices have softened and will likely soften even further.

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julian987R said:

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If I put something up for sale at a price that they market won't stand, then it's not really for sale. If I was getting this car from JZM, then yeah I could see that they would put it up for sale at just under £60k but they wouldn't have paid £60k for it, more like £50k or just over. So that's what I reckon a private seller would pay for it (even with the special colour). Prices have softened and will likely soften even further.

What if it was on SOR at JZM for £59,995 would you be as perturbed?

I'm not perturbed - it's not worth £60k to me even from a dealer but it's definitely not worth £60k as a private sale.

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frayz said:

With respect, everyone saying its not worth £60k is 100% right... its not worth £60k to them.

Someone wanting to own the only 1 of 1 Viper green Cayman R with £60k to spend will happily pay it.
Buying a cheaper one and having it painted isn't really relevant because its not factory. We all know how minty car people get over factory finished cars, matching numbers blah blah. Hell, we all know how fussy some folk are over a car having a certain spec. If the spec you truly desire is a factory finished viper green Cayman R, then this is the only 1.

So its 100% for sale, to the person who decides they want it and prepared to pay it. This year we have seen liquid yellow Clio V6s go for £85k and there was more than one of those made, likewise there were 500 Clio Trophys made and they're all £10k-£20k now, yet the #001 car went for £48k and it wasn't even in THAT nice condition, so anything is possible in the niche car market.

Want the ONLY Viper green Cayman R, get you wallet out

Edited by frayz on Tuesday 3rd May 08:22

Exactly what I said, you'd have to really want a green one to pay £60k for it. You've seen how quickly Cayman R's sell at Ashgood - gone within days (at £40-45k). So one stuck around at £60k for 7 months is too expensive. Personally, I'd spend a further £5k and get a GT4.

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julian987R said:

I have wondered about the Gt3 brake cylinder mod too. Is it something one would only notice when breaking from high speeds on track?

No - you'll notice the GT3 MC all of the time. As Slippy says, it gives the car a firmer pedal and allows an even better platform for H&T. In my R this was easily the best mod I ever made to the car as it massively enhanced my confidence under braking. Decent fluid and braided hose also help.

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Yeah will sell in no time - good price that!

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julian987R said:

New one listed at £51K, anyones here?

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13464533

This is my old car!!!

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julian987R said:

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julian987R said:

New one listed at £51K, anyones here?

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13464533

This is my old car!!!

Oh wow, were you the original first owner?

Yep - that's what I paid for it new (believe it or not).

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julian987R said:

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julian987R said:

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julian987R said:

New one listed at £51K, anyones here?

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13464533

This is my old car!!!

Oh wow, were you the original first owner?

Yep - that's what I paid for it new (believe it or not).

That is quite something isn't it. A decade and 20K miles later and its still the same price as the ticket price.

Definitely - I got a great deal on it though!

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leemanning said:

Yeah that one is my car.

The market is strong and top cars are demanding top money. There’s always something cheaper but not always something better. At 10 years old the dealer vs private price delta shouldn’t really come into it. It’s got a full OPC history and N rated tyres, so it’s good to go for a Porsche Warranty if the new buyer wants one.

It really is in outstanding condition and drives perfectly.

Let’s see how it does I guess! I’m in no big rush to sell it, but wouldn’t mind freeing up a bit of space for things that are joining the garage over the next few months. After speaking to both RPM & JZM they both said that £50k is where the market is for this car, so I thought why not sell it myself

Hi - bizzarrely, you even live close to where I used to live (Chipstead).

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Ben Lowden said:

I have a burning desire for a Cayman R. This thread isn't going to help. If anyone has one in the South East and is up for taking a fellow PHer for a spin, please let me know!

Haha! You'll love it. One of the best cars I've ever driven (and owned).

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breakfan said:

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My Pistonheads ad timed out but my CR is still for sale - will relist it end next week with a fresh MOT and reduced price of £38k

Anyone interested please feel free to contact me in the meantime - red, 53k miles, manual, bucket seats, Spyder wheels, FSH

Bump - price reduced to £37k

Can't believe this hasn't sold yet ...

That's really good value!

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beanoir78 said:

Slippydiff said:

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beanoir78 said:

Julian - £100k…honestly, what are you smoking mate?

unfiltered optimism, full strength.

Good answer

Pray tell me, where can I buy this ??

I believe JZM are pushing it to all the kids

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PaulJC84 said:

It would be interesting for more CR owners to try the A110. I test drove one and found it quite lovely.

I know it’s not a manual but I didn’t actually miss it as you could be busy focusing on enjoying other areas. I honestly didn’t expect it as at the time of testing I had never owned a auto/paddle shift car.

I have been following the CR thread for years as it’s a car that has interested me but with them getting older now ownership is less likely I expect.

This is a good point - I put my name down for a GR86 because I thought it had a shot at being a new, fun to drive, manual toy. Guess I'll find out next year

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J-P said:

This is a good point - I put my name down for a GR86 because I thought it had a shot at being a new, fun to drive, manual toy. Guess I'll find out next year

PaulJC84 said:

Yeah I think that looks a great car for the money. Should be fun more of the time on the road than more powerful cars i suspect.
Sounds like they will be rare in the UK as well.

Yeah - only 400 coming to the UK apparently. I was lucky to get hold of one! The reviews of the prototypes have been very positive, so I have my fingers crossed that it will be awesome!

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Gibbo205 said:

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The CR is a great car. I tried the new GTS on track and I did like it but it's not worth a premium over the R IMHO. The steering is nowhere near as good and the exhaust noise is fun for about 10 mins and then overly contrived and annoying. Handling is good on both but all aspects of the R are honest - passive sports suspension, hydraulic PAS, proper handbrake = better driver's car

Well said main thing which sets a CR and a 981 GTS apart is just how much better the steering is on the CR, then the fact it feels a smaller car to drive because it is and slightly shorter gear ratios.

For me I’ve always thought of the cars as:
987 CR = best fun road car
981 GTS = best looks and sound
718 GTS = best track performing

The 987 are such epic road cars and are fun at legal speeds the later models not as much.

The CR and Spyder are literally about the best fun you can have on the road in a modern Porsche.

Agree, Gibbo - but where did you pick that quote from? I think I wrote it not long after I drove the then new 981!

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roca1976 said:

If anyone is looking for folding buckets this 2.9 was specced with them from new
Could strip them out and punt it back on
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2022052561...

For £21k, I think this is a great starting point to build something awesome for the track.

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Nurburgsingh said:

J-P said:

For £21k, I think this is a great starting point to build something awesome for the track.

For that kind of project you're better off talking to someone like EMC Motorsport and getting them to do what they do for their race car builds but leave in the creature comforts on any old 3.2
A friend of mine has just had one built but also pushed the boat out and had a 3.7litre conversion too.

"rapid" doesn't quite do it justice..

Sounds good!

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julian987R said:

freedman said:

julian987R said:

£37K thereabouts. But could be a very special S. Shame the pics aren't that detailed.

What’s ‘special’ about it, apart from the unusual colour?

well exactly that. you'll never find another yellow manual Gen 2.

Yeah - that's not worth £10k in IMHO.

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AndyP74 said:

Much as I hate writing these words, it's the right thing to do. I'm selling my Cayman R due to time being swallowed up by children and a job that requires a large chunk of travel.

It's Peridot, manual, sports exhaust, sport chrono, carbon buckets, full OPC service history (the last one in June of this year), just under 14k miles, black wheels.

Anyone on here interested before I start advertising in the usual places?

Edited by AndyP74 on Saturday 3rd September 20:41

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