Considering New Boxster as only car - 4Cyl Refresh Options?
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TB303 said:
Excluding the perhaps more practical golf R, the M135i is definitely the drivers hatch choice.
Steering is extremely numb but still a pleasant enough car to drive, but less sense of occasion than a Porsche of course.
Your test drive had 19in wheels? Is that a new model as mine has 18s (2014 MY).
Not sure, it was the larger of the two alloy sizes. The one I drove was 18 months old so did not have the slightly improved transmission or extra 7hp but representative enough; was surprised after 7 years in an auto that could still work a manual box.Steering is extremely numb but still a pleasant enough car to drive, but less sense of occasion than a Porsche of course.
Your test drive had 19in wheels? Is that a new model as mine has 18s (2014 MY).
The Porsche looks much better and seems to attract good and bad attention quite readily (One trip to the local petrol station was interesting); the main thing I'm weighing up is if I actually want that in a daily driver.
My first three seat option choices are now unavailable so here is my potential Cayman in "Envoy" spec:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4T7RB2
Some other interesting things I found on my test drive, my phone went crazy until I enabled "SAP" in the CDR options so I need the full telephone module or a new phone; worked very well once this was enabled though. Also front parking snesors were really annoying as they kept warning me I was close to long grass on country roads.
Anyone know if Sound Pack plus with CDR Plus still support 5.1 audio? (Assuming it would downmix to 5.0)
Edited by Krobar on Saturday 11th July 12:07
Krobar said:
The Porsche looks much better and seems to attract good and bad attention quite readily (One trip to the local petrol station was interesting); the main thing I'm weighing up is if I actually want that in a daily driver.
Very accurate observations and yes, that's a point people overlook often when buying such a car. I wonder if you eventually get used to people behaving like idiots around you. I drive an unassuming car for daily duties and every weekend it's a revelation how people are trying to prove a point when they see a newer Porsche. Other drivers not giving you way, pedestrians walking on narrow roads and deliberately moving out of the way (just happened to me today), diesel cars riding your bumper followed by pointless overtaking, soccer moms angrily waving me to slow down when I'm doing 25 kmh in a 30 kmh zone while the diesel A4 in front of me is doing 45 kmh and nobody cares, etc.
Many people will deny that this is the case but I'm absolutely convinced people act differently depending on what car you sit in and Porsches seem to bring the worst out of people.
swimd said:
Very accurate observations and yes, that's a point people overlook often when buying such a car. I wonder if you eventually get used to people behaving like idiots around you. I drive an unassuming car for daily duties and every weekend it's a revelation how people are trying to prove a point when they see a newer Porsche.
Other drivers not giving you way, pedestrians walking on narrow roads and deliberately moving out of the way (just happened to me today), diesel cars riding your bumper followed by pointless overtaking, soccer moms angrily waving me to slow down when I'm doing 25 kmh in a 30 kmh zone while the diesel A4 in front of me is doing 45 kmh and nobody cares, etc.
Many people will deny that this is the case but I'm absolutely convinced people act differently depending on what car you sit in and Porsches seem to bring the worst out of people.
While I absolutely agree that people do behave differently depending on the car, I also think the colour makes a difference. On the motorway in a yellow Elise or Europa people used to get out of the way (must be a fast car? - though in neither case is it really true). In a yellow Caterham, no chance (you can't possibly want to go so fast in that?) Other drivers not giving you way, pedestrians walking on narrow roads and deliberately moving out of the way (just happened to me today), diesel cars riding your bumper followed by pointless overtaking, soccer moms angrily waving me to slow down when I'm doing 25 kmh in a 30 kmh zone while the diesel A4 in front of me is doing 45 kmh and nobody cares, etc.
Many people will deny that this is the case but I'm absolutely convinced people act differently depending on what car you sit in and Porsches seem to bring the worst out of people.
In my black Cayman - people aren't that quick to get out of the way, but are perfectly civilised - let me in a queue, don't generally try to race me. They do sometimes smile or say "nice car" - I can live with that! Not had a yellow Porsche or (probably worse) a red Ferrari, which I suspect might prompt different reactions. I only got a black car by accident, and while cleaning it is a pain, it does have an upside.
Krobar said:
My first three seat option choices are now unavailable so here is my potential Cayman in "Envoy" spec:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4T7RB2
Nice to see a lightly specced car http://www.porsche-code.com/PG4T7RB2
ORD said:
Good spec. The automatic dimming mirror thing is ugly and useless in any car I have seen it in, but I don't know about Porsches. Always seems a waste of money and an aesthetic no-no to me, but maybe Pork have integrated it seamlessly.
Good point, will have to check. The important bit is the auto headlights which seem to be included in the current model.Increasingly it looks to me there will be an overlap between the upper range Boxster/Cayman with 6-cylinders and the base 911. In other words, more or less one price and you choose your shape.
I think the real question with the 4-pot engine is,
As of today the base 6-cylinder Boxster/Cayman looks astounding value for money. Snap one up!
I think the real question with the 4-pot engine is,
- Will it be for the base Boxster/Cayman? or
- Will it be a new, cheaper, de-contented car? or
- Will it be for both? (That's my guess)
As of today the base 6-cylinder Boxster/Cayman looks astounding value for money. Snap one up!
Ozzie Osmond said:
Increasingly it looks to me there will be an overlap between the upper range Boxster/Cayman with 6-cylinders and the base 911. In other words, more or less one price and you choose your shape.
I wish ... But actually I think the reverse. If Porsche were really happy to allow more overlap they would have fitted the 3.8 engine in the GTS or (even) the S (with some different name) . As it is they have fitted it in two cars which because of their practical limitations will only ever be niche market - and even there haven't scheduled enough production to meet demand.The 4 cylinder engines will move the 981 AWAY from the 911 - and I'd take a lot of convincing that wasn't exactly what Porsche intended.
Not sure if this is genuine, but I'm sure glad I've got a current gen GTS coming in December...
http://youtu.be/CMHl3R7ba64
http://youtu.be/CMHl3R7ba64
Mario149 said:
Oooof, not a fan 
if that's what the new 981 sounds like I think long term 981.1 residuals just firmed up nicely
I think you may well be right. if that's what the new 981 sounds like I think long term 981.1 residuals just firmed up nicelyBut why is that Porsche forums, in particular, have enormous threads on engine/exhaust noise (not to mention trim options) when owners of REALLY focussed driver's cars (Caterhams, Atoms, Radicals etc) seem almost completely unconcerned about such matters?
bcr5784 said:
But why is that Porsche forums, in particular, have enormous threads on engine/exhaust noise (not to mention trim options) when owners of REALLY focussed driver's cars (Caterhams, Atoms, Radicals etc) seem almost completely unconcerned about such matters?
Think you just answered your own question! Because they're not so focussed and get used for other things where exhaust/engine noise is important e.g. it affects how you feel. I don't much care what a caterham sounds like as I would expect to be hooning it round a track too busy to care. If I wasn't, I'd have too much else to worry about (like getting cold and wet) before quality of noise was something that bothered me 
Mario149 said:
Think you just answered your own question! Because they're not so focussed and get used for other things where exhaust/engine noise is important e.g. it affects how you feel. I don't much care what a caterham sounds like as I would expect to be hooning it round a track too busy to care. If I wasn't, I'd have too much else to worry about (like getting cold and wet) before quality of noise was something that bothered me
+1Same reason as those cars mostly have unpleasant but effective engines. The sound and feel of the engine isn't a big part of the experience in a balls-out car like that.
Krobar said:
Anyone know what the approx. On The Road price difference to retail might be on a Cayman? I understand you pay double road tax but not sure on the other costs.
Also, any ideas what an "October Build Slot" would mean for delivery time?
You can find the road tax rates on http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/advice/road-tax-guid... and the other cost is 1st reg fee (£55).Also, any ideas what an "October Build Slot" would mean for delivery time?
October build slot would be Nov delivery I guess.
Edited by nej606k on Tuesday 28th July 19:54
Edited by nej606k on Tuesday 28th July 20:17
A single turbo is an interesting choice. The heads on a flat 4 are a long way from each other which means the internal volume of the inlet manifold from a single turbo is relatively large compared to an inline configuration, the larger the manifold/intercooler combination the softer the throttle response. Presumably there will be an air/water intercooler in there somewhere as well. I bet that was a packaging nightmare. Its not like you can bung it in front of the radiator like in a front engine car, or on top of the engine like a 911 turbo.
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