WIll you still buy a GT4 if it's a 2l turbo

[itsybitsy]

mollytherocker said:

franki68 said:

just had a call from my local OPC,the MD is currently at Porsche and has just had a presentation where the list of new models included a gt4.No details were given ,but it is definitely a gt4 with the announcement coming in february and deliveries in the summer.The only other info they gave is they expect the number produced to be similar to the 991 gt3.
So it's not a R or anything as has been speculated,it will be a gt4.

The GT4 will be made in the same numbers as the GT3?

Thats madness, I mean why bother? Surely theres a market for many more.

most likely will have a large price tag to match?

[itsybitsy]

anonymous said:

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"worldwide numbers" cayman R big hit in the states some 3500

[ChrisW.]

lemmingjames said:

So a Honda S2000 then

A great car, but when I hear some saying that a track car should be more extreme, I don't know any more what they think Porsche could produce as a saleable car to the general public.

I'll be very happy with a GT4 that is a much smaller equivalent of the GT3 4 litre.

I am not looking for a race car, I already have one.

[ChrisW.]

mrdemon said:

I agree, and so do Porsche.

Making a road car into a track car ruins a road car and is still slow on track.

I completely disagree.

The tactility and involvement they deliver in a track car also really delivers on the road.

Small is beautiful. GT3 is big.

GT4 could be --- amazing.

And we already know with the R that Porsche are capable of bridging that road / track divide ...

[mrdemon]

You only have to look At the specs of Cayman R, Spyders, gt3 and the GTS to see a stripped out car would not sell.

No one speced a hard core Spyder, only the press cars.
No one speced hard core R's
Very very few club sport gt3
And the GTs market well , about 1 PH member with x73, buckets and manual.

as for a Cayman being a track car, it's quite poor, it rolls too much and has no ajustable lower control arms.

Like wise a GT3 on the whole make a poor road car, Porsche fitted PASM to later models and that's even worse on track.

You would not run a cup spec racer on the road would you ?

And you can make a R more hard core than what Porsche will ever bring out.

[itsybitsy]

The thing I have always loved about porsche cars is they make usable everyday road cars that also can make great track cars! No other manufacturer does this so there has to be a compromise! If they make a hardcore track car that is useless on the road then they have failed like wise visa versa. Something like the caymanR/gt3 is pure porsche ie you make it more hardcore if you want or not.the most important thing in this day and age is does it feel like a drivers car or just like everything else?

[itsybitsy]

MrD have you noticed all cayman Gts demo are x73!

[itsybitsy]

mrdemon said:

You only have to look At the specs of Cayman R, Spyders, gt3 and the GTS to see a stripped out car would not sell.

No one speced a hard core Spyder, only the press cars.

Lots of hardcore spyder around infact most are pretty hardcore as that's the nature of the car the only extra on press cars was pccb and a ragged engine!;)

[roadcraft]

anonymous said:

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A-flippin-men to that sentiment, two years and 20k miles in a 997.1 RS and I can't think of a better road car for sheer driver enjoyment - better GT cars and multi-role cars exist by far, but that's a different matter. I called it "the moorland missle", just wish I could still afford to own one, or better still the 3.8. From what's being said about the Cay "gt4" (or whatever) it might be a viable alternative. Don't care about the format, as long as it drives right!

[HokumPokum]

i think it's true that the true hard core specc.ed cars are rare.

my ex-spyder had PCCBs, AC delete, manual, buckets, non-leather interior, bi-xenons and LiON battery. weighed it at 1270kg including half a tank of petrol.

demand in the drivers market in the re-sale market far outstrips supply.

wished I had spec.ed my CR in the same manner tbh.

[mrdemon]

itsybitsy said:

MrD have you noticed all cayman Gts demo are x73!

.it would have been another Cayman if they did not do that
Does not mean people buy that spec, and most mags Poo pooed the x73 for road use until the GTS came out,
Some still do, the new EVo boxster gts said don't buy x73.

At least Porsche gave the option to have it which I guess is good.

But none of these cars work on track well until you put some GT3 LCA on them.
If the gt4 has fixed sus like every other Cayman it will be a joke.

[J-P]

HokumPokum said:

i think it's true that the true hard core specc.ed cars are rare.

my ex-spyder had PCCBs, AC delete, manual, buckets, non-leather interior, bi-xenons and LiON battery. weighed it at 1270kg including half a tank of petrol.

demand in the drivers market in the re-sale market far outstrips supply.

wished I had spec.ed my CR in the same manner tbh.

Agree - My CR has AC and PCM but to be honest - who wants a sweaty back on a track day? I think driver comfort is more important. And PCM is very convenient for actually getting to tracks I've never been to. Could have lived without a stereo though to be honest - I'm just not that bothered by having music in the car.

[EricE]

If the 911 goes for an all-turbo lineup, and there is no doubt that they will have to very soon due to co2 regulations in various countries, what are the chances of the Boxster/Cayman staying N/A?

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Searc...

carmagazine said:

Keen to reduce CO2 and increase mpg, Porsche is downsizing the Carrera's flat six by half a litre - from 3.4 to 2.9 in capacity. Our information suggests it'll develop around 400bhp and 400lb ft, a significant increase on today's boggo 911.

The 2015 Carrera S won't shrink in the hot wash, but its 3.8 boxer six will also be breathed on by a turbocharger, swelling power and torque substantially. Our sources suggest a punchy 530bhp and 520lb ft, meaning that even lower-peg 911s are getting seriously muscular.

(I don't believe that C2S number one bit, by the way)

Edited by EricE on Saturday 18th October 09:14

[mrdemon]

Ac delete in a coupe is risky, but a no brainer in the open top Spyder concept.

PCM is a bit pants, it's not hard to find a track and every phone has nav for the 2 times you might use nav a year.

My gt4 will have to have AC but it will be manual if they let us have that choice. PCM in a gt4 that's a tough one, prob not
ESP if all the GT3 sports car bits are options, my money will be going into those,

There might be a track pack option, with big brakes and ajustable lca etc.

[J-P]

mrdemon said:

Ac delete in a coupe is risky, but a no brainer in the open top Spyder concept.

PCM is a bit pants, it's not hard to find a track and every phone has nav for the 2 times you might use nav a year.

My gt4 will have to have AC but it will be manual if they let us have that choice. PCM in a gt4 that's a tough one, prob not
ESP if all the GT3 sports car bits are options, my money will be going into those,

There might be a track pack option, with big brakes and ajustable lca etc.

Agreed - I'd probably do the same for a GT4 - I don't like having wires all over the place though - it irritates me, so I'm still undecided about PCM.

[Carl_Docklands]

If the new Cayman is even marginally better than the GTS we are in for a treat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71eCZ_GfXHo

[mrdemon]

Carl_Docklands said:

If the new Cayman is even marginally better than the GTS we are in for a treat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71eCZ_GfXHo

I could get excited by the GTS if the standard Cayman did not have the x73 option, but it does, so the GTS is no better than a normal Cayman, the reviews seem to miss out the fact that a x73 is still a option on the GTS all be it free.

To then state a GTS is 1.2 seconds quicker is daft and misleading.

No shock the press cars have x73 is it !!! It's making every one look a mug. Not in buying the car, just in what is said, and ESP when GTS owners repeat it but then spec PASM !

you may as well buy a GTS over a normal Cayman I guess but it's not a better car than one.

Edited by mrdemon on Saturday 18th October 10:04

[franki68]

If you are not interested in a car for whatever reason ,then why keep posting on a forum about it?

The only thing that would put me off is a 4 cylinder engine ,but that is very unlikely ,even if it was pdk only i wouldn't care,

The car will be epic,I trust porsche to produce an exciting car that can be used on the road or track,and no amount of naysayers on a forum will detract from that.

[mrdemon]

franki68 said:

If you are not interested in a car for whatever reason ,then why keep posting on a forum about it?

The only thing that would put me off is a 4 cylinder engine ,but that is very unlikely ,even if it was pdk only i wouldn't care,

The car will be epic,I trust porsche to produce an exciting car that can be used on the road or track,and no amount of naysayers on a forum will detract from that.

I started the thread , I can say what I like :-p, I also have my name on the GT4/R , I don't want it to be a GTS thread :-)

let's stick to facts, and the car may not be epic, it might be a 4 pot turbo with no sus adjustment, 355 bhp, small brakes and PDK only.

Looking at what Porsche make atm I don't trust them at all. The GTS was very clever marketing.

[franki68]

mrdemon said:

I started the thread , I can say what I like :-p, I also have my name on the GT4/R , I don't want it to be a GTS thread :-)

let's stick to facts, and the car may not be epic, it might be a 4 pot turbo with no sus adjustment, 355 bhp, small brakes and PDK only.

Looking at what Porsche make atm I don't trust them at all. The GTS was very clever marketing.

anyone can say what they like,but what is the point of the constant repetitive negativity? Move on ,if porsche don't make a car you like buy another make.if you are interested in the gt4 why beat up on it before you know a single thing about it?