GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
kmpowell said:
IMO, what an utterly dull & boring colour spec. Flat grey, blue/grey, black, and more blue/grey.
All the visual fun, totally drained out of the car.
Reminds me of this:
Yea always feel an RS works really well with vibrant colour - and you don’t have to go to PTS - yellow/red free and Shark under £3K… All the visual fun, totally drained out of the car.
Reminds me of this:
Edited by kmpowell on Thursday 29th February 10:35
I do still think that the sweet spot for the 4RS is in stripper spec. At around £130K with steels, no WP, lift, LED, leather dash a few other bits and pieces and in a nice bright colour like shark blue. A brand new RS Porsche with 3 years warranty at £130K seems like decent value for money still (to me anyway!).
ChrisW. said:
GT4RS said:
ChrisW. said:
I think in all this "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" ... in terms of design, capabilities and application.
I loved my GT4, kept it for over 8 years (longer than almost any other), modified it because Porsche wouldn't sell me another new car ... and had to sell it because life is not a museum and I wanted to try something completely different. Porsche. Track and road.
I like the old school switches, I hate expensive technology that complicates without benefit, and I adore motorsport technology and the robustness and simplicity of use that goes with that. I am also very design and purpose driven ... and I could have been a very happy GT4RS owner, but it would only have been a half a step up from my own car that was crying out to be somebody else's journey ... serviced and loved to last another 10 years at least.
This is the problem on here. There is almost too much choice and it's simply not possible to argue with another persons preferences.
I completely agree that from an application perspective a £130k GT4RS is a wonderful thing.
When the 992 GT3RS is a £350k car (!), a 991.2 GT3RS is a wonderful thing for half the price.
So it's very easy to see why I ended up with a 991.2 GT3RS non-Weissach, steel braked, one owner 2018 car without the GPF ... for the same price as a (too) highly specced GT4RS.
But I completely understand why anybody would buy one, as I nearly did.
The problem for the OPC's is that so little at this price level is really shifting that it's debatable how much quicker sales would be were the GT4RS prices £20k lower ... look at the fall in prices of 718GT4's even though everybody knows that they aren't being made any more ...
The fact is that cars near list are selling slowly ... and it's these cars that will pick-off the few customers that there are. Should prices drop another £20k, what would change ?
Maybe this market is being driven more by the time-scales of the SOR owners who really want to sell ?
What made you choose the 991.2 gt3 rs over the gt4rs Chris? I loved my GT4, kept it for over 8 years (longer than almost any other), modified it because Porsche wouldn't sell me another new car ... and had to sell it because life is not a museum and I wanted to try something completely different. Porsche. Track and road.
I like the old school switches, I hate expensive technology that complicates without benefit, and I adore motorsport technology and the robustness and simplicity of use that goes with that. I am also very design and purpose driven ... and I could have been a very happy GT4RS owner, but it would only have been a half a step up from my own car that was crying out to be somebody else's journey ... serviced and loved to last another 10 years at least.
This is the problem on here. There is almost too much choice and it's simply not possible to argue with another persons preferences.
I completely agree that from an application perspective a £130k GT4RS is a wonderful thing.
When the 992 GT3RS is a £350k car (!), a 991.2 GT3RS is a wonderful thing for half the price.
So it's very easy to see why I ended up with a 991.2 GT3RS non-Weissach, steel braked, one owner 2018 car without the GPF ... for the same price as a (too) highly specced GT4RS.
But I completely understand why anybody would buy one, as I nearly did.
The problem for the OPC's is that so little at this price level is really shifting that it's debatable how much quicker sales would be were the GT4RS prices £20k lower ... look at the fall in prices of 718GT4's even though everybody knows that they aren't being made any more ...
The fact is that cars near list are selling slowly ... and it's these cars that will pick-off the few customers that there are. Should prices drop another £20k, what would change ?
Maybe this market is being driven more by the time-scales of the SOR owners who really want to sell ?
Couldn’t have been an easy decision.
2. The GT4RS still needs modifying because the standard rear toe links won't permit camber changes to avoid excessive front tyre shoulder wear
3. Noise ... why excite my tinnitus ??
4. Multilink rear suspension
5. Substantially more downforce without significant cd penalty
6. That engine ...
7. The style ...
8. The high rear wing gives a very good rear view mirror field of view
9. Lower numbers manufactured ... better residuals ?
10. No GPF ...
11. One full step up from my modified 981GT4 instead of half a step up ....
Minuses ? over the 981 GT4
1. Centre lock wheels ... but the GT4RS is the same !
2. Expensive carbon bodywork ... ditto.
3. Insurance cost ...
P.S. I forgot to mention that the luggage arrangement on the GT4 platform is exceptionally good ... and by comparison that on the new 992 GT3RS is exceptionally bad, an issue not considered by ECOTY ! A car of the year that you can't buy new, now there is a novelty ...
Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 4th March 10:44
Seems to be only one non WP car for sale meantime in UK…. So as rare as hens teeth!
TDT said:
Would be because:
1 - It should be 10-15k cheaper
2 - WP adds no benefit to the driving experience on 4RS apart from opening access to Mag wheels, which you can now get directly aftersales anyway. The bonnet, front wings and rear wing are still cfrp… just painted. Race-tex dash is lovely.. but not essential to the driving experience.
There are 22 GT4RS for sale in Autotrader today - only one is non WP. It’s also the cheapest 23 reg car for sale at £155K. Seems roughly £5K or so cheaper second hand than the WP cars. My trader mate always says that second hand decent extras are roughly 50% new cost - so that kind of seems to apply. Mind you, saying all that, let’s see how long the non WP car takes to sell (as there’s others with much better spec for not a huge lot more!). 1 - It should be 10-15k cheaper
2 - WP adds no benefit to the driving experience on 4RS apart from opening access to Mag wheels, which you can now get directly aftersales anyway. The bonnet, front wings and rear wing are still cfrp… just painted. Race-tex dash is lovely.. but not essential to the driving experience.
LiamH66 said:
GT4RS said:
Anyone shocked this car hasn’t sold.
Low mileage spring 2023 car with mags, looks to be at list price once you add the on the road costs. Assuming the 1st owner paid the pricing we see on the configuration tool shown on the porsche website.
Mags seem to be pretty rare on the 4rs cars.
If there’s some wiggle room this may even get in below list, could end up making others cars look expensive.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
While everyone's talking them down, I'm actually a little tempted by a decent spec car priced at a little more than it sold for. I'd need to lose one of the current stable to make room for it, which is the only downside. It will be interesting to see where the prices go as the sun comes out more often. They don't often continue downwards.Low mileage spring 2023 car with mags, looks to be at list price once you add the on the road costs. Assuming the 1st owner paid the pricing we see on the configuration tool shown on the porsche website.
Mags seem to be pretty rare on the 4rs cars.
If there’s some wiggle room this may even get in below list, could end up making others cars look expensive.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
I like the colour of most of them, including GT Silver, but there are a couple of other colours that would have me making phone calls first thing tomorrow!
Liam
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In terms of colours specifically the 4RS I think the reason there are relatively few in Shark is that folks have tired of the relatively high numbers of 992 GT3 available in that colour.
As mentioned before Shark could well be a shrewd colour choice on the 4RS.
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Had a standard 2022 GT4 in Shark and it was a stunning looking machine.
I tend to agree re Shark blue GT4RS being a shrewd longer term move. Espec saving the cash up front with non WP hence getting more of the colour and actually properly seeing the naca ducts etc.
In terms of colours specifically the 4RS I think the reason there are relatively few in Shark is that folks have tired of the relatively high numbers of 992 GT3 available in that colour.
As mentioned before Shark could well be a shrewd colour choice on the 4RS.
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Had a standard 2022 GT4 in Shark and it was a stunning looking machine.
I tend to agree re Shark blue GT4RS being a shrewd longer term move. Espec saving the cash up front with non WP hence getting more of the colour and actually properly seeing the naca ducts etc.
MannyLon said:
21 up for sale at OPC now 
Think couple sold recently. Seems market turning as spring arrives.
For a car so much worse than a gt3, not bad
Suspect it’s picking up now it’s March. Re the 4RS for sale V the normal GT4 which has 64 for sale out of approx 1200 cars sold. GT4RS there are 21 for sale out of approx 200 sold - pro rata roughly double the percentage of the newer car for sale. Suppose that’s to be expected as flippers/too hard core/ don’t like it typefolks bail out… Think couple sold recently. Seems market turning as spring arrives.
For a car so much worse than a gt3, not bad
GTRene said:
finmac said:
Need to lock my allocation down over the next couple of days and am swithering between these two looks:
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To go with the crowd and WP or be brave enough not to WP, that is the question!
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I guess for later resale, the WP would be better normally, but... since there are so many WP versions, if there are less from the non WP versions, those combined with low mileage, could also be good... but thats talking some years ahead, so I guess its also how long are you going to keep it?
ChrisW. said:
To be fair, EVO said that it was compromised on some roads.
They also said that the E46 M3CSL was not the best car ... poor brakes, cardboard boot floor (sorry that was Clarkson), no faster (or slower !) than the standard car, and look what happened ?
The 964RS was condemned for being too hard and irresponsible since the speedo couldn't be seen above "too fast" ... only 73 RHD cars were sold in the UK of the 100 "allocated" ... and now ?
Now it seems that some "mere mortals" may be able to buy their spec of GT4RS at list ... and lightly used cars should be dropping at least to list price ... to me that should be happy days for all ...
For anybody that doesn't prefer to buy a GT4RS, the options are becoming more and more simple
Longer term, as the world moves more towards EV etc I fully expect the GT4RS to be viewed as one of the “greats” alongside the two cars mentioned here. I fully expect it will accordingly be sought out by people wanting the thrill of “analogue” in an increasingly digital world. They also said that the E46 M3CSL was not the best car ... poor brakes, cardboard boot floor (sorry that was Clarkson), no faster (or slower !) than the standard car, and look what happened ?
The 964RS was condemned for being too hard and irresponsible since the speedo couldn't be seen above "too fast" ... only 73 RHD cars were sold in the UK of the 100 "allocated" ... and now ?
Now it seems that some "mere mortals" may be able to buy their spec of GT4RS at list ... and lightly used cars should be dropping at least to list price ... to me that should be happy days for all ...
For anybody that doesn't prefer to buy a GT4RS, the options are becoming more and more simple
Re pricing, I wonder if Porsche will be brave enough to jack their prices up again this month like they did in March last year?
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