718 Cayman Spec & Colours- what have you gone for?

718 Cayman Spec & Colours- what have you gone for?

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S666SBD

190 posts

230 months

Thursday 8th September 2016
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The 718 Cayman is not available to order in the UK in Saphire Blue until November 2016 .

Possibly why there are no pics out there yet !
WG said:
Glad I was able to help you avoid a potential mistake. Enjoy the car when you get it. Spec looks good. I

Edited by WG on Thursday 8th September 13:24[/footnote]
[footnote]Edited by S666SBD on Thursday 8th September 19:57

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

248 months

Thursday 8th September 2016
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bcr5784 said:
I too would regard PASM as a must on 20" wheels.
I would regard both as an avoidable expense. These modern Porsches are brilliant straight out of the box!

Captain Tightwad

Olderandwiser22

179 posts

93 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Any reviews or pics from the Porsche experience day?

LiamH66

716 posts

93 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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No pics I'm afraid, but I was there on Wednesday for one of the 718 Cayman introduction days. I had already driven a 718 Boxster for an hour a couple of weeks before, and was chuffed to discover that I like the flat 4 turbo engine. On that day I also had a drive in a 2013 981 Cayman S PDK, and to be honest I think the "ordinary" 718 is probably more usable for day to day (at least for me) than the outgoing 3.4 flat 6. I can see why people are disappointed to lose the soundtrack, and the engaging need to be in the right gear to make them go, but the turbo engines are pretty special too - just very different.

Drove another 718 Boxster at the "Experience" centre (about half the cars available to test for the "Cayman experience" were actually Boxsters). I have no issues with turbo lag on these - last turbo 4s I drove regularly was back in the early 90s, and the technology has improved enough that it's nowadays not noticeable if you keep the engine spinning at sensible revs. Throttle response mid corner is exceptional for a turbo engine, pretty well indistinguishable from NA I reckon.

For the second stint was in a 718 Cayman S PDK with Sports Chrono. Think it must have had the carbon brakes as well, because they were noticeably sharper, and stayed that way even when abused for a while. The launch control is an absolute hoot, and for track use the sports+ mode is very well focused allowing 2 pedals and the wheel being the only things you need touch, but downshifts slightly later than I prefer. However driving both cars convinced me I'll be perfectly happy with a Cayman and a manual box.

I've had an order in since mid-July, but local Porsche Centre took 5 weeks to get me the Boxster test drive to confirm I was happy with the turbo engine, and in almost 2 months have been unable to even give me a guide for when they might have an allocated car. Not sure how normal this is - I had somehow thought customer service at a Porsche Centre might be at a higher level than when I bought my GT86 4 years ago. Have been thinking about specifying a car for all of those weeks, but wondering if I would be better off asking for the deposit back.

Liam

edo

16,699 posts

267 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Good feedback. I placed a deposit in July (or it might have been June) ans also dont have a slot yet. Seems rather hit and miss dependant on volumes each dealer gets. I know of people who deposited in August and already have a build. Rather inconsistent...

How did you find the manual box? Did you see any cars with Sport-Tex??

Pinball

458 posts

132 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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LiamH66 said:
No pics I'm afraid, but I was there on Wednesday for one of the 718 Cayman introduction days. I had already driven a 718 Boxster for an hour a couple of weeks before, and was chuffed to discover that I like the flat 4 turbo engine. On that day I also had a drive in a 2013 981 Cayman S PDK, and to be honest I think the "ordinary" 718 is probably more usable for day to day (at least for me) than the outgoing 3.4 flat 6. I can see why people are disappointed to lose the soundtrack, and the engaging need to be in the right gear to make them go, but the turbo engines are pretty special too - just very different.

Drove another 718 Boxster at the "Experience" centre (about half the cars available to test for the "Cayman experience" were actually Boxsters). I have no issues with turbo lag on these - last turbo 4s I drove regularly was back in the early 90s, and the technology has improved enough that it's nowadays not noticeable if you keep the engine spinning at sensible revs. Throttle response mid corner is exceptional for a turbo engine, pretty well indistinguishable from NA I reckon.

For the second stint was in a 718 Cayman S PDK with Sports Chrono. Think it must have had the carbon brakes as well, because they were noticeably sharper, and stayed that way even when abused for a while. The launch control is an absolute hoot, and for track use the sports+ mode is very well focused allowing 2 pedals and the wheel being the only things you need touch, but downshifts slightly later than I prefer. However driving both cars convinced me I'll be perfectly happy with a Cayman and a manual box.

I've had an order in since mid-July, but local Porsche Centre took 5 weeks to get me the Boxster test drive to confirm I was happy with the turbo engine, and in almost 2 months have been unable to even give me a guide for when they might have an allocated car. Not sure how normal this is - I had somehow thought customer service at a Porsche Centre might be at a higher level than when I bought my GT86 4 years ago. Have been thinking about specifying a car for all of those weeks, but wondering if I would be better off asking for the deposit back.

Liam
Cheers.I only road tested the two, but came to the same conclusion. The base model in manual is more than enough for me. I also thought the exhaust note sounded better on the base model, not sure what your thought s were on the comparison between the two. One thing I haven;t heard is the difference PSE makes. Did any of the base models have that equipped?

FourPotPorsche

350 posts

120 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Olderandwiser22 said:
Any reviews or pics from the Porsche experience day?
See the 718 pictures thread where I posted a few pictures of my time at the Silverstone PEC. I drove a 718 Boxster with PDK and a manual 718 Cayman S.

Loved the Boxster and the gearbox and to be honest it is more than enough car for me but I have always yearned for an S so....

The Cayman S was a manual which disappointed me as I love the PDK and I am crap at changing gears, heel and toeing etc. However the car is a fantastic sports vehicle and very quick but what was more impressive was just how fast it stopped and how controlled the chasis was under emergency braking. ...the elk test was great fun. The wait until delivery is torturous... First world problems I know.

Here are a few more pics not related to the 718:

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LiamH66

716 posts

93 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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edo said:
Good feedback. I placed a deposit in July (or it might have been June) ans also dont have a slot yet. Seems rather hit and miss dependant on volumes each dealer gets. I know of people who deposited in August and already have a build. Rather inconsistent...

How did you find the manual box? Did you see any cars with Sport-Tex??
Yes, bit frustrating. Have driven loads of Porsches, but never owned one myself. Hoped buying one might be a little easier, but it's a new model, so will try to be patient.

Love the manual box, but 3rd to 2nd you can feel a tiny bit of sideways "give" in the linkage. Bit spoilt by the GT86 shifter being directly on top of the gearbox - so when the instructor said, "have you ever felt a better gearshift" I had to admit the car I'd arrived in was probably better. Ratios are on the tall side, which suits the engine, but aren't quite optimum for the handling track on the left when leaving the experience centre car park. For an everyday road car? Everything I could ever hope for.

I am really unobservant about interiors. I may well have been sitting on Sports Tex..

Liam

LiamH66

716 posts

93 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Pinball said:
Cheers.I only road tested the two, but came to the same conclusion. The base model in manual is more than enough for me. I also thought the exhaust note sounded better on the base model, not sure what your thought s were on the comparison between the two. One thing I haven;t heard is the difference PSE makes. Did any of the base models have that equipped?
The base 718 Boxster I tested a couple of weeks ago had PSE. Makes it sound louder and deeper, but for me, no better. I'll be opting for completely standard exhaust, as it doesn't seem to make any difference to the performance, and noisy 4s do nothing for me unless they rev a lot higher than the 718 engine.

Liam

Prospective

175 posts

144 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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I was at the Porsche Cayman drive event friday 8:30!as well!
drove a manual S Cayman and PDK Boxster S both yellow my own personal preference is for the PDK as I thought the manual had a heavy clutch.
(I have ordered a Cayman PDK)
Sound wise seemed more of a growl, quite liked it. My car will never do any of the things I did on track but good to know it can!! Launch control was epic, if I could justify it I would tick the ceramic brakes option.
If anyone gets the chance to go to the event definitely do it is well worth it.
Only downside I may have to visit my options list now before final lock down of options!!!!

nickfrog

21,408 posts

219 months

Sunday 11th September 2016
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LiamH66 said:
I think the "ordinary" 718 is probably more usable for day to day (at least for me) than the outgoing 3.4 flat 6. I can see why people are disappointed to lose the soundtrack, and the engaging need to be in the right gear to make them go, but the turbo engines are pretty special too - just very different.

Drove another 718 Boxster at the "Experience" centre (about half the cars available to test for the "Cayman experience" were actually Boxsters). I have no issues with turbo lag on these - last turbo 4s I drove regularly was back in the early 90s, and the technology has improved enough that it's nowadays not noticeable if you keep the engine spinning at sensible revs. Throttle response mid corner is exceptional for a turbo engine, pretty well indistinguishable from NA I reckon.
Thanks for the feedback Liam. I am hoping my conclusions will be similar to yours when I drive the Cayman 2.0 later this month. I have found one to test drive with a manual!

I am not sure what is going on with the cermamic brakes. I don't see how they could stop the car in a shorter distance as surely this is all front tyre adhesion limited.

Porsche may have built some placebo in this one by giving a shorter travel pedal, presumably at the expense of modulation.

LiamH66

716 posts

93 months

Sunday 11th September 2016
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I don't think there's a lot in the ultimate stopping power of either of the brakes, it's more that the ceramics seem to be pretty well "unfadeable", and have perfect pedal feel at any temperature. On very hard braking ABS kind of takes over anyway. I was amazed by the ABS and stability control of both cars I drove on track. I'm used to a lot of electrronic intervention in most cars I drive nowadays, and it's really noticeable that the Porsche systems leave you to get on with it when driving spiritedly but loosely within the limits of adhesion.

For the "ice hill", "kicker" and low friction track I was allowed to turn the driver aids off to get a better idea of the cars behaviour. Disappointingly every time I went back out onto the handling circuits was told we had to turn them back on. Not sure if that's a general safety requirement or the instructor's lack of confidence in my driving ability. wink

If I was doing track days, or lived in the alps, I'd go with the carbon ceramic brakes. The shocking road surfaces of Lancashire, and motorways I have to dawdle down so often don't deserve it. And road cars on the track are always a disappointment, albeit a mild one in the case of the Boxster and Cayman.

Liam

Pinball

458 posts

132 months

Sunday 11th September 2016
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LiamH66 said:
The base 718 Boxster I tested a couple of weeks ago had PSE. Makes it sound louder and deeper, but for me, no better. I'll be opting for completely standard exhaust, as it doesn't seem to make any difference to the performance, and noisy 4s do nothing for me unless they rev a lot higher than the 718 engine.

Liam
Thanks. I was hoping t would accentuate the existing sound rather than deepen it. Louder would be good, but not st the expense of deeper. I found the base model nicer sounding than the deeper sounding s.

alanshaw

195 posts

95 months

Sunday 11th September 2016
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Thanks to everyone on your comments re spec for 718 Cayman, getting a tad excited although no build date as yet (ordered july).
So I'll be changing my spec: no to keyless entry, rear wiper,& Adaptive cruise control, but having std. cruise control, PASM & still going for Bi-xenon headlights ( PDLS) .
Still making my mind up as having full leather seats, do I splash out for heated & ventilated seats ?

once again many thanks for all the help full comments.....................

LiamH66

716 posts

93 months

Monday 12th September 2016
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Going back to the OP's question, still awaiting dates, but this is the spec I've got to so far:

Cayman - not Cayman S (more than enough for my purposes as a daily drive)
Carrara White Metallic, or Graphite Blue Metallic (very torn over this and others, so many good colours. If Miami Blue was a shade lighter it would be on the list as well.)
18" Cayman alloys (most appear not to understand why, but I know what I want)
Leather seats, standard interior
Heated seats
Park assist front and rear (off street parking tighter than I'd prefer)
Folding mirrors + courtesy lighting
Manual gearbox (I know, PDK is awesome, the clutch is pretty heavy, but I like changing gears...)
Active suspension management
Torque vectoring (possibly... Want a mechanical LSD, but not sure if I need it in a mid-engine car, even though it has a fair bit of torque)
GT steering wheel (Alcantara?)
Sports seats plus, 2 way electric
Storage net
Inner door sill protectors in stainless steel
DAB radio

Things leaving me totally confused that I'd appreciate advice on:

Nav. The traffic info in my current car is pitiful compared to Google Maps, so the phone is my primary source of traffic info - seldom turn the car's nav on. Can Porsche do any better than Toyota?
Rear wiper. Always liked the look of them on a 911. But my GT86 doesn't have one, and I've never felt the need. Conversely, always appreciated them on my Volvo estates...
Connect, Connect+. Don't have an Apple phone, don't particularly want an Apple phone, but actually need hands free calls and hopefully to be able to read the odd text message while out and about. I like Android, but Porsche are clearly not bothered.
Winter wheels and tyres. Anything aftermarket available, or do people just go with a Porsche setup? Bet it's not cheap, but among the best things I did to the current daily drive from December to March.

All educated advice appreciated.

Liam

Edited by LiamH66 on Monday 12th September 00:42

bcr5784

7,126 posts

147 months

Monday 12th September 2016
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Ozzie Osmond said:
I would regard both as an avoidable expense. These modern Porsches are brilliant straight out of the box!

Captain Tightwad
Personally don't get the fashion for big wheels but that said having tried the 981 on 18, 19, and 20 inch wheels, and find the handling better on 19s than 18s, with nothing to recommend the 20s - which spoil the ride. Hence if you must have 20s for the look (many seem to) I'd strongly recommend pasm. Even on 19s they provide a greater range of ability.

bcr5784

7,126 posts

147 months

Monday 12th September 2016
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LiamH66 said:
Love the manual box, but 3rd to 2nd you can feel a tiny bit of sideways "give" in the linkage. Bit spoilt by the GT86 shifter being directly on top of the gearbox - so when the instructor said, "have you ever felt a better gearshift" I had to admit the car I'd arrived in was probably better.
Liam
Remote linkages have come a long way and the best examples are wonderfully slick. However there's almost inevitably a loss of feel and a bit of slop introduced. In a completely different league to a 911 of the 70s though.

alanshaw

195 posts

95 months

Monday 12th September 2016
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LiamH66 said:
Going back to the OP's question, still awaiting dates, but this is the spec I've got to so far:

Cayman - not Cayman S (more than enough for my purposes as a daily drive)
Carrara White Metallic, or Graphite Blue Metallic (very torn over this and others, so many good colours. If Miami Blue was a shade lighter it would be on the list as well.)
18" Cayman alloys (most appear not to understand why, but I know what I want)
Leather seats, standard interior
Heated seats
Park assist front and rear (off street parking tighter than I'd prefer)
Folding mirrors + courtesy lighting
Manual gearbox (I know, PDK is awesome, the clutch is pretty heavy, but I like changing gears...)
Active suspension management
Torque vectoring (possibly... Want a mechanical LSD, but not sure if I need it in a mid-engine car, even though it has a fair bit of torque)
GT steering wheel (Alcantara?)
Sports seats plus, 2 way electric
Storage net
Inner door sill protectors in stainless steel
DAB radio

Things leaving me totally confused that I'd appreciate advice on:

Nav. The traffic info in my current car is pitiful compared to Google Maps, so the phone is my primary source of traffic info - seldom turn the car's nav on. Can Porsche do any better than Toyota?
Rear wiper. Always liked the look of them on a 911. But my GT86 doesn't have one, and I've never felt the need. Conversely, always appreciated them on my Volvo estates...
Connect, Connect+. Don't have an Apple phone, don't particularly want an Apple phone, but actually need hands free calls and hopefully to be able to read the odd text message while out and about. I like Android, but Porsche are clearly not bothered.
Winter wheels and tyres. Anything aftermarket available, or do people just go with a Porsche setup? Bet it's not cheap, but among the best things I did to the current daily drive from December to March.

All educated advice appreciated.

Liam

Edited by LiamH66 on Monday 12th September 00:42
Liam,

Rear wiper may spoil styling, have been told to use gtechniq.com/products/auto/perfect/exterior, that's what going to do

bcr5784

7,126 posts

147 months

Monday 12th September 2016
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LiamH66 said:

Winter wheels and tyres. Anything aftermarket available, or do people just go with a Porsche setup? Bet it's not cheap, but among the best things I did to the current daily drive from December to March.

All educated advice appreciated.

Liam

Edited by LiamH66 on Monday 12th September 00:42
Re winter wheels. Plenty of 18inch wheels come up cheaply on ebay. I'd buy a set and get winter tyres fitted. You might get lucky and find some with well treaded winter tyres fitted - but that is less likely.

You will lose quite a lot of handling precision but if you have to use the car in all weathers they may be a good idea. Last winter the weather was so mild that I wouldn't have fitted mine if I could have predicted it.

Pinball

458 posts

132 months

Monday 12th September 2016
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LiamH66 said:
Going back to the OP's question, still awaiting dates, but this is the spec I've got to so far:

Cayman - not Cayman S (more than enough for my purposes as a daily drive)
Carrara White Metallic, or Graphite Blue Metallic (very torn over this and others, so many good colours. If Miami Blue was a shade lighter it would be on the list as well.)
18" Cayman alloys (most appear not to understand why, but I know what I want)
Leather seats, standard interior
Heated seats
Park assist front and rear (off street parking tighter than I'd prefer)
Folding mirrors + courtesy lighting
Manual gearbox (I know, PDK is awesome, the clutch is pretty heavy, but I like changing gears...)
Active suspension management
Torque vectoring (possibly... Want a mechanical LSD, but not sure if I need it in a mid-engine car, even though it has a fair bit of torque)
GT steering wheel (Alcantara?)
Sports seats plus, 2 way electric
Storage net
Inner door sill protectors in stainless steel
DAB radio

Things leaving me totally confused that I'd appreciate advice on:

Nav. The traffic info in my current car is pitiful compared to Google Maps, so the phone is my primary source of traffic info - seldom turn the car's nav on. Can Porsche do any better than Toyota?
Rear wiper. Always liked the look of them on a 911. But my GT86 doesn't have one, and I've never felt the need. Conversely, always appreciated them on my Volvo estates...
Connect, Connect+. Don't have an Apple phone, don't particularly want an Apple phone, but actually need hands free calls and hopefully to be able to read the odd text message while out and about. I like Android, but Porsche are clearly not bothered.
Winter wheels and tyres. Anything aftermarket available, or do people just go with a Porsche setup? Bet it's not cheap, but among the best things I did to the current daily drive from December to March.

All educated advice appreciated.

Liam

Edited by LiamH66 on Monday 12th September 00:42
Have you used the Sygic navigation app? It's meant to overide the car's inbuilt screen and and output directions through the audio system. It's on iOS and Android. If it actually works on the 718 without Connect for iOS, it might work on Android, too. Maybe a saving for very occasional Nav users, like me, instead of shelling out £1K. It's not something I got a definitive answer for at the OPC.