Cayman GTS

[JasonSteel]

thanks for the input guys.

regarding this:

bigtime said:

Don't think it's good value looking at the mileage and the fact it's a manual which normally are a few quid less than pdk.

how about if i could get a discount?

also, is "PCM Touch-Screen Navigation" the same thing as "Navigation Module"? and if not, what are the differences?

should i be looking into whether or not the car was originally UK supplied?

sorry for the beginner questions but this is my first proper car and it's pretty much an impulse buy, in the sense that i was going to get a new 718 but am now going for the GTS.

love the spec but not sure on the white colour though...

Edited by JasonSteel on Wednesday 4th January 13:42

[nsm3]

You could probably pick up a similar age/mileage/spec S for about £15k less, from an OPC?

[JasonSteel]

nsm3 said:

You could probably pick up a similar age/mileage/spec S for about £15k less, from an OPC?

i had a look earlier and couldn't find anything near that spec for that kind of price.

also one of the things i particularly like is the sports suspension which on top of the mechanical benefits also (for me) really gives it an edge in terms of styling - the 10mm additional drop doesn't sound like much but it makes a big visual difference . SS is rare on an S in conjunction with all the other options.

definitely not a fan of leather seats either, so that rules out most S's.

like i said, the car has pretty much all the options i wanted bar the colour - not against white at all just not my first choice.

thought too that the GTS might do a touch better at resale though have no clue if this is the case?

of course though if i could get the same car for £10 - £15k less i'm all ears. here is the full list of options:

64 plate
20" Carrera S Alloy Wheels Pianted Platinum Satin
PCM Touch-Screen Navigation (Navigation Module)
Bluetooth Telephone Module
PTV - Torque Vectoring
Sports Suspension
Sports Bucket Seats
Bi-Xenon Headlights Inc Dynamic light System Plus
Sport Design Steering Wheel
Cruise Control
2-Zone Climate Control
Heated Seats
Carbon Centre Console Trim
Auto Dimming Mirrors Inc Rain Sensor
Rear Park Assist
Electric Folding Door Mirrors
Light Design Pack
Alcantara Roof Lining
Rear Wiper
BOSE® Surround Sound System
DAB Digital Radio
Online Services
Including 2 Years Porsche Warranty

Edited by JasonSteel on Thursday 29th December 18:24

[dreamcar]

mpgrant70 said:

Hi I am on the looking to purchase a cayman gts in the new year, new to Porsche after a few years of m powered cars looking for a PDk not sure if there are any must have options on the spec of this car and the sort of money this cars fetch looking at Porsche dealers it appears to be around 60k will get you a car is this a realistic price ?

Many consider GTS interior pack essential; however it was a very expensive option for what it included at £2,100 (carbon trim strips on fascia mid line, centre console and door cards, Carmine red or grey tachometer and red or silver stitching on seats, top of fascia, door cards and centre arm rests and GTS logo on head restraints). It also made the cockpit very dark, so on our BGTS we chose interior package painted (with all the trim strips painted in exterior colour in place of the carbon), but retained the standard alcantara ( lower half of fascia incl glove box, steering wheel, gear lever / PDK selector, seat centre inserts, centre arm rests and door pulls) and GTS logos on the head restraints.I believe it was important to keep the alcantara, there was an alcantara delete option but that just turned the interior to the same as Boxster S. I personally considered torque vectoring including limited slip differential, navigation, DAB radio and front and rear park assist as essential, Bose as desirable, not that I listen to it much. Some prefer the 10mm lower sports suspension which was a no cost choice in lieu of PASM. If you intend to use the car as a daily driver you may want the optional rear wiper which obviously improves rear visibility but some say spoil the car's lines.

GTS came very well equipped (for a Porsche) as standard, with unique front spoilers and rear under tray, 20" Carrera S wheels, Porsche Active Suspension Management, sports exhaust - probably louder than the optional
Sports exhaust on lesser models - sport chrono which includes active engine mounts, PDLS directional bi-xenon lights, smoked rear lights, full leather interior (apart from GTS unique alcantara mentioned above) and sports seats plus.

Edited by dreamcar on Friday 30th December 09:26

[bcr5784]

nsm3 said:

You could probably pick up a similar age/mileage/spec S for about £15k less, from an OPC?

GTSs are rarer because fewer were made and attract higher prices (and probably will continue to do so) but it's the same car (pretty much) as an S with similar options, so an S is likely to be significantly cheaper to buy if you can find one with options you want.

[JasonSteel]

dreamcar said:

Many consider GTS interior pack essential

it's not listed as one of the options on 'my' car, but i'm pretty sure it has it in the spec. will ask for confirmation tomorrow when i go see the car but in the video they sent i can clearly see the alcantara with red stitching everywhere, red tacho and so on.

i've had another look at the Cayman S's available and there's nothing specced anywhere near similar for 10k less. in fact, the only car of similar spec is the blue one at Brooklands which is however on a 15 plate and has a bit less than half the miles but has a list of £63,995.

not sure where you guys are seeing these well specced £45k deals?

[Twinfan]

They're not seeing them, they're suggesting you might find one if you're prepared to wait. An S should be a fair amount cheaper but if it's specced close to a GTS it'll be closely priced. If you're prepared to lose some options an S makes financial sense but if you want all the GTS bits then they're the way to go IMHO.

[JasonSteel]

Twinfan said:

An S should be a fair amount cheaper but if it's specced close to a GTS it'll be closely priced. If you're prepared to lose some options an S makes financial sense but if you want all the GTS bits then they're the way to go IMHO.

that's pretty much what i thought but that's very different to some of the comments above like:

nsm3 said:

You could probably pick up a similar age/mileage/spec S for about £15k less, from an OPC?

bcr5784 said:

an S is likely to be significantly cheaper to buy if you can find one with options you want.

one other consideration is that the car has already had 3 owners though i was told that's 'normal' for a car like this... but is that normal?

[Twinfan]

I've not seen a fully specced up S very often so it's hard to say, but the one I saw recently was very close to GTS money.

There can be several previous owners on a non-essential car. Age, mileage and condition are more important.

Edited by Twinfan on Friday 30th December 08:18

[ellroy]

Twinfan said:

I've not seen a fully specced up S very often so it's hard to say, but the one I saw recently was very close to GTS money.

You'd expect that wouldn't you? The options on an S were more expensive to buy than to get to a base GTS spec to start with and less power to boot.

[bcr5784]

JasonSteel said:

one other consideration is that the car has already had 3 owners though i was told that's 'normal' for a car like this... but is that normal?

I doubt it's "normal" on a car that young. Well worth checking who the 3 were. A dealer (demonstrator) - almost certainly not properly run in but may be worth considering. A Porsche Experience Car - I'd avoid. Doubtless thrashed from day one.

[Prestonese]

JasonSteel said:

nsm3 said:

You could probably pick up a similar age/mileage/spec S for about £15k less, from an OPC?

i had a look earlier and couldn't find anything near that spec for that kind of price.

also one of the things i particularly like is the sports suspension which on top of the mechanical benefits also (for me) really gives it an edge in terms of styling - the 10mm additional drop doesn't sound like much but it makes a big visual difference . SS is rare on an S in conjunction with all the other options.

definitely not a fan of leather seats either, so that rules out most S's.

like i said, the car has pretty much all the options i wanted bar the colour - not against white at all just not my first choice.

thought too that the GTS might do a touch better at resale though have no clue if this is the case?

of course though if i could get the same car for £10 - £15k less i'm all ears. here is the full list of options:

64 plate
20" Carrera S Alloy Wheels Pianted Platinum Satin
PCM Touch-Screen Navigation (Navigation Module)
Bluetooth Telephone Module
PTV - Torque Vectoring
Sports Suspension
Sports Bucket Seats
Bi-Xenon Headlights Inc Dynamic light System Plus
Sport Design Steering Wheel
Cruise Control
2-Zone Climate Control
Heated Seats
Carbon Centre Console Trim
Auto Dimming Mirrors Inc Rain Sensor
Rear Park Assist
Electric Folding Door Mirrors
Light Design Pack
Alcantara Roof Lining
Rear Wiper
BOSE® Surround Sound System
DAB Digital Radio
Online Services
Including 2 Years Porsche Warranty

Edited by JasonSteel on Thursday 29th December 18:24

This is a great spec all things considered. It only looks like the PCCBs and Burmester were items which weren't ticked! It looks quite decent as well.

It's always difficult to know whether you are paying the right price for the right car unless you are getting it new. So I guess the decision is based on your own personal circumstances. I had a look at selling mine earlier this year (it's a manual too in red but similar spec to this but with PCCB and Burmester - no DAB or buckets though) but realised there aren't actually too many around with good spec. The manual versions I've seen for whatever reason seems to be slightly basic spec or wheels which I personally didn't like.

Prices seems to have held up though as I recall they were selling in the 60-62k area last autumn.

[Maxym]

Looks generally a highly desirable spec to me - especially the manual and buckets. And it has the GTS interior pack. Mine is a PDK with 18-ways but otherwise the spec is v similar.

Edited by Maxym on Friday 30th December 10:06

[paul789]

JasonSteel said:

dreamcar said:

Many consider GTS interior pack essential

it's not listed as one of the options on 'my' car, but i'm pretty sure it has it in the spec. will ask for confirmation tomorrow when i go see the car but in the video they sent i can clearly see the alcantara with red stitching everywhere, red tacho and so on.

i've had another look at the Cayman S's available and there's nothing specced anywhere near similar for 10k less. in fact, the only car of similar spec is the blue one at Brooklands which is however on a 15 plate and has a bit less than half the miles but has a list of £63,995.

not sure where you guys are seeing these well specced £45k deals?

Jason - you have mail.

[JasonSteel]

bcr5784 said:

I doubt it's "normal" on a car that young. Well worth checking who the 3 were. A dealer (demonstrator) - almost certainly not properly run in but may be worth considering. A Porsche Experience Car - I'd avoid. Doubtless thrashed from day one.

i sent them an email asking specifically if the car had ever been used as a demo car or as a PEC car and was told 'no'. salesman added that he wasn't aware of GTS's being used for such purposes (PEC)?

Prestonese said:

This is a great spec all things considered. It only looks like the PCCBs and Burmester were items which weren't ticked! It looks quite decent as well.

It's always difficult to know whether you are paying the right price for the right car unless you are getting it new. So I guess the decision is based on your own personal circumstances. I had a look at selling mine earlier this year (it's a manual too in red but similar spec to this but with PCCB and Burmester - no DAB or buckets though) but realised there aren't actually too many around with good spec. The manual versions I've seen for whatever reason seems to be slightly basic spec or wheels which I personally didn't like.

Prices seems to have held up though as I recall they were selling in the 60-62k area last autumn.

Maxym said:

Looks generally a highly desirable spec to me - especially the manual and buckets. And it has the GTS interior pack. Mine is a PDK with 18-ways but otherwise the spec is v similar.

that's good to hear because i fell for the car as soon as i saw it and was just wowed when i got in and drove it.

picking up tomorrow

i was so close to picking up a new 718 this summer but am really glad i held off as the GTS is just sublime. got a decent discount too so really happy. just hope there aren't any hidden issues anywhere...

paul789 said:

Jason - you have mail.

response sent

[JasonSteel]

oh, and in case it helps identify the car - it had front grilles fitted (Zunsport?) but the right hand side one is missing.

[Twinfan]

JasonSteel said:

i sent them an email asking specifically if the car had ever been used as a demo car or as a PEC car and was told 'no'. salesman added that he wasn't aware of GTS's being used for such purposes (PEC

Well the salesman is talking garbage. I've driven a Cayman GTS at PEC and they had at least three with different specs. I doubt yours is ex-PEC as it's highly specced and hasn't had the alcantara wheel swapped for a leather one from new.

Enjoy the car!

[Maxym]

I spotted the Zunsport grilles. In theory you need a full set. However, I suspect they make the oil temp higher via reduced airflow to the front radiators. I'm considering taking mine off but I'll monitor things some more.

Anyone else got the Zunsports? Anyone else got any doubts?

[Twinfan]

Yes. And no.

I'd much rather save damage to the condensors. Very minor changes in air flow, and therefore temperatures, will be managed as any other external temperature variation would be.

[Budweiser]

I also have a full set on my CGTS doesn't make a jot of difference temperature wise.....