12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[apachesmith]

sone said:

apachesmith said:

sone said:

I'm toying with the idea of selling my Gt4 to help fund purchase of a 991 GT3, which to be honest is the car I should have bought in the first place. Just don't know whether to join in the bun fight looking at all the other cars for sale or sit back and wait for a while.
Out of interest what do you think is a realistic cost on SOR?

Cheers

Steve

My bet would be to find a dealer with the GT3 you're keen on and see if he will do a deal using the GT4. I imagine you could work out a pretty good win win for you both.

For example this http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/991...

Depending on the spec of your GT4 I imagine you would need to fund the shortfall of around 37k

Edited by apachesmith on Thursday 28th January 12:25

Difficult to say really, my car is well specced C/S PCCB's. Compared to others for sale through dealers it's be the top end price wise so I'd say nearer a 30k gap.

I think most of the top independents would be keen to do deal with you for a high spec'd GT4.

And if you think about it if you did do that you've just offset the appreciation on the 991 with the GT4's appreciation so in reality if you bought a 991 GT3 new it would have cost 35k more than your GT4 give or take any way so if you want a GT3 that's not a bad option.

Edited by apachesmith on Thursday 28th January 12:40

[apachesmith]

m33ufo said:

sone said:

I'm toying with the idea of selling my Gt4 to help fund purchase of a 991 GT3, which to be honest is the car I should have bought in the first place. Just don't know whether to join in the bun fight looking at all the other cars for sale or sit back and wait for a while.
Out of interest what do you think is a realistic cost on SOR?

Cheers

Steve

If I were you.....I'd chat to your OPC with the intention of them purchasing your GT4 now on the understanding that you'll be close to the top of the list for a 991.2 GT3 in 18 months time.

Just a though.

I Like this idea however.... your without your car for 18 months and you need a lot of trust in your OPC that they stay true to their word, I would be surprised if they would put anything in writing after what happened in Bolton!

[apachesmith]

Redline have one on at sub £90k

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Prices overall seem to be coming down!

Only the black CS and PCCB car is bucking the pricing trend at £116k!

[apachesmith]

Richie200 said:

apachesmith said:

Redline have one on at sub £90k

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Prices overall seem to be coming down!

Only the black CS and PCCB car is bucking the pricing trend at £116k!

90K +vat

It's the eyes..... Thanks for the correction!

[apachesmith]

m33ufo said:

I'm not sure why the big deal about someone considering selling their GT4 and being up front about it? It's only a car and not as if you could take a test drive before ordering.

I've pretty much decided that when my Spyder arrives I'll be keeping that in preference to the GT4. I'd like to keep both but I only have a double garage to accommodate my toys and the other slot will be taken by a new Defender (built last week).

No final decisions made and I may move the Defender when the time comes but weirdly it's the vehicle I'm most keen to get at the moment.

Don't get too excited by the defender the build quality is shocking and the drive is appalling but they do look bloody awesome!

[apachesmith]

Fokker said:

Porsche911R said:

A st load :-) 40% profit is not to be sniffed at. Roll on my 991R :-)

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 3rd February 13:51

40% profit?? I very much doubt it. Your car was over 80k wasnt it with the PCCB and seats?

I think you're hamming it up there Kenny...

potentially could have sold privately for £112k if it was fully loaded and one of the very first cars delivered? There are some buyers where 105 or 112 doesn't make a jot of difference to them! especially for a very very early car!

[apachesmith]

This one looks identical to the car 911Sport were selling a few weeks ago which apparently sold!!!

Lovely car but standard seats always seemed odd with the PCCB's guess it was SOR and the owner has taken it to an OPC to see if they have better luck?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

911sport add

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

same car?

Edited by apachesmith on Thursday 4th February 12:53

[apachesmith]

Is it a sign that we are seeing a gradual fall in overall GT4 prices looking at sone's car which hasn't sold at £104,950 for a fully loaded CS car!

My finance broker on my GT4 (who I hear some of you have spoken too) said that he is getting a lot of calls from people looking to fiance GT4's at 105-115k so it's reasonable to figure that the second hand market need to buy from dealers/traders in order to finance them and the private add sellers are losing out because of that?

sone it may be worth selling via JZM or similar and taking the 5% hit which may net you a similar amount as you're trying to get privately as you're spec car would go quite quickly at 110k at JZM et al imho!

[apachesmith]

mdianuk said:

I see a drop in standards on the forum already; it has been a nice place to be. Do we really need MrD mk3!?!

don't rise to it just enjoy it as part of a diverse group of people sharing a common interest... you're always going to get the attention seekers but that's fine it would be dull otherwise wouldn't it?

[apachesmith]

Porsche911R said:

apachesmith said:

Is it a sign that we are seeing a gradual fall in overall GT4 prices looking at sone's car which hasn't sold at £104,950 for a fully loaded CS car!

My finance broker on my GT4 (who I hear some of you have spoken too) said that he is getting a lot of calls from people looking to fiance GT4's at 105-115k so it's reasonable to figure that the second hand market need to buy from dealers/traders in order to finance them and the private add sellers are losing out because of that?

sone it may be worth selling via JZM or similar and taking the 5% hit which may net you a similar amount as you're trying to get privately as you're spec car would go quite quickly at 110k at JZM et al imho!

JZM prob want £850 listing fee and 8% of the sale so £9250, may as well put it up for £95k and get it gone if you want it gone.

But as I said in my other posts imo CS spec cars are not that sort after new, maybe in 5 or 6 years time when people want a cheaper track hack yes, but CS pack OPC sales are very low, my OPC only selling one. who wants a 15kg rattle lump of iron in a road car ? very few people, normally just forum wanna be's :-)

I don't get the CS hype and it's the flippers choice it seems, some stating they will fetch £10k over a non CS pack car lol

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 4th February 11:32

I checked with JZM they want 5%!

[apachesmith]

Porsche911R said:

must be based on value of cars then as they wanted £850 up front and 8% to sell my older GT3.

do they still want a upfront payment ?

nope straight 5% sellers fee.

[apachesmith]

This has to be the most basic spec GT4 I've seen so far....

The only cost options are PCM and Heated Seats, they chose leather steering wheel and gear lever to boot!!!

Saying that its 94k, at that price I think there could be as much profit in it for the flipper as the higher spec cars at 105!

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Edited by apachesmith on Thursday 4th February 20:19

[apachesmith]

Fokker said:

Are they giving the boxster more power as well?

Took the words out of my mouth - surely with a roof the chassis is better equipped to handle more power than the rag top?

[apachesmith]

sone said:

For info my car now sold (deposit taken). Plenty of interest, a few people who called to ask questions that were already answered in the ad, which is strange. 2 dealer offers on purchase which I declined and 3 dealers offering to SOR the car.
Now what next(-:

Did you sell it to a private buyer or a trader?

Well done didn't take that long did you need to lower the asking price?

If you want more power then 991GT3, great car and I would love one! I'm going the other way however and looking at Spyders as I want something I can use more as a road car than a track car and something the wife will be happy driving!

[apachesmith]

franki68 said:

sone said:

For info my car now sold (deposit taken). Plenty of interest, a few people who called to ask questions that were already answered in the ad, which is strange. 2 dealer offers on purchase which I declined and 3 dealers offering to SOR the car.
Now what next(-:

Use the profit you made to finance a mclaren 570s if they are still offering that 1k/month deal.

Great idea, only drama with those is your looking at 50k depreciation over 3 years so maybe not the best place for your 140k! Unless people are seeing a better residuals on these than McLaren are predicting!

[apachesmith]

Sone what about one of these beauties?

http://www.top555.co.uk/stock/details/Porsche-911-...

Or

http://www.top555.co.uk/stock/details/Ferrari-599-...

Edited by apachesmith on Tuesday 9th February 10:45

[apachesmith]

Fokker said:

Interestingly, this thread is called 12 GT4's for sale on PH and growing... Started on Dec 3rd and still about 10-12 cars for sale... Its not exactly growing is it?!

Well it was at the time! Started with a couple and grew rapidly to 12 cars, but yes it seems to have steadied now to a constant of between 10-12 cars for sale!

[apachesmith]

Sam All said:

av185 said:

The 991 GT3 is really on a different level to the GT4.......as it should be at over 50 percent more money. The engine alone is almost worth that!

Rather than pay overs on a GT4, better off buying a used 991 GT3.

Still 30k ish on top of the GT4 overs so for some that's a bridge too far!

[apachesmith]

av185 said:

Sam All said:

However, if the car had been offered at £105k, the queue would be non existent.

This is doubtful......remember this is a car which toppled the mighty RS in Ecoty......and there are many more buyers with c £105k to spend than c £150k on the GT3. Never ceases to amaze me how many spec a 'cooking' non GT Carrera to over £100k with needless options.

Completely agree with this, took the words out of my mouth!

[apachesmith]

Porsche911R said:

Sam All said:

Thread hijack.

How many on here who bought at list would also buy the car at £105k? Not many I suspect.

Will Porsche price the GT4.2 at near £100k? I don't think so - it is a strange market we are in.

If Porsche released just 100 more GT4's ......

they did release a so called another 150 cars !

but yes I would NOT buy at £105k and I would not Buy the GT4 new at £75k if it were going to drop 40% over 3 years either, I would buy a 2 year old one.
I never buy new cars, it's a mugs game, the GT4 allowed me to own a new car with no loss.

I think we all agree it's too early to say what the gt4 value is going to do over the next 3-4 years! however as I have said before there are very few if any cars at 100-105k new that are mid engined, lightweight, well built, manual, exciting cars.... That's why people are happy to shell out 100k for them not because of some perceived value ladder! Sure you can buy an 8-9 year old GT3 for the same money but then it's not a new car may not have warranty blah blah blah..... Unless like some have suggested you go down the American route (which isn't for me) the car is in a class of its own even at 100k let alone At 75k which most builds seem to be at! People who didn't get an allocation will try and justify it negatively and people who did get an allocation will do the opposite! However if anyone can tell me a (NEW) car in right hand drive that is comparable then I'm all ears! And if anyone say Lotus.... Lovely handling but not in the same league build quality wise and having a Japanese engine in it does ruins the whole thing for me, so I don't take that as valid competitor!

I wonder are the Ferrari and Lambourgini forums as argumentative and value driven as ours? I'm very sure we all love cars for the driving pleasure and we all appreciate not all will have the same view on what makes the car special but it would be great if we could just let people buy and sell what they want at what ever price they feel makes sense and concentrate on the driving thrills we all get from our cars! Would love if someone was planning a long road trip if they documented it on here so we could all hear their impressions of the GT4 over a long distance on some interesting roads!