Would a 2.4s be a good place to put money?
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Bump... Browsing around, I see this @£33k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Too good to be true? I assume so... Maybe the mileage should be 244000 or something.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Too good to be true? I assume so... Maybe the mileage should be 244000 or something.
This one looks like the real deal - and I actually like the colour combo.
http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1972-porsche-91...
http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1972-porsche-91...
dino_jr said:
Bump... Browsing around, I see this @£33k.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Too good to be true? I assume so... Maybe the mileage should be 244000 or something.
maybe not .. its a 2.4T targa so can't be compared price wise to an E or S coupe ... RHD very rare as one year only for the early targa's.http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Too good to be true? I assume so... Maybe the mileage should be 244000 or something.
Condition is everything, but on the face of it looks like a nice car at a good price
Geneve said:
This one looks like the real deal - and I actually like the colour combo.
http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1972-porsche-91...
a know DDK members carhttp://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1972-porsche-91...
estacion said:
Why would you? Total madness.estacion said:
Makes the cars over at the opposing Bonhams sale seem positively bargainous...£105k 2.4S: http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21917/lot/253/
£277k 2.7RS http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21917/lot/294/
thegreenhell said:
Makes the cars over at the opposing Bonhams sale seem positively bargainous...
£105k 2.4S: http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21917/lot/253/
£277k 2.7RS http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21917/lot/294/
One is totally and utterly restored, the other one looks far less fresh.£105k 2.4S: http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21917/lot/253/
£277k 2.7RS http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21917/lot/294/
Alternatives...
2.7RS Sold at £400k http://www.mecum.com/lot-detail.cfm?lot_id=CA0814-...
2.7RS Un-Sold at £270K http://www.mecum.com/lot-detail.cfm?lot_id=CA0814-...
A lot of 2.7RS have come onto the market in recent weeks...
2.7RS Sold at £400k http://www.mecum.com/lot-detail.cfm?lot_id=CA0814-...
2.7RS Un-Sold at £270K http://www.mecum.com/lot-detail.cfm?lot_id=CA0814-...
A lot of 2.7RS have come onto the market in recent weeks...
neither of those RS's are top examples though ... the orange one has had a full colour change for example which is not what you want at those price levels
as for the auction description !
"Most street-oriented is the M472 Touring. Mechanically, all Carrera RSs share the same 911S 2.4-based drivetrain, with a Type 911/73 engine at its heart. This 2.7-liter competition powerplant was constructed to handle the demands of racing, and in addition to the displacement bump over a 2.4-liter 911S and mechanical upgrades, it features a radical camshaft and most notably, Bosch mechanical fuel injection, which added 29 HP to make 210."
that's wrong .... the 2.7RS had teh same cams as teh 2.4S + the MFI was the same except the MFI pump which had a new space cam to suit the extra displacement .. throttle bodies etc were teh same for the 2.4S & 2.7RS ... the official fiqures for the RS also was 20bhp greater than the 2.4S ( 210 vs 190)
as for the auction description !
"Most street-oriented is the M472 Touring. Mechanically, all Carrera RSs share the same 911S 2.4-based drivetrain, with a Type 911/73 engine at its heart. This 2.7-liter competition powerplant was constructed to handle the demands of racing, and in addition to the displacement bump over a 2.4-liter 911S and mechanical upgrades, it features a radical camshaft and most notably, Bosch mechanical fuel injection, which added 29 HP to make 210."
that's wrong .... the 2.7RS had teh same cams as teh 2.4S + the MFI was the same except the MFI pump which had a new space cam to suit the extra displacement .. throttle bodies etc were teh same for the 2.4S & 2.7RS ... the official fiqures for the RS also was 20bhp greater than the 2.4S ( 210 vs 190)
Geneve said:
roygarth said:
A lot of 2.7RS have come onto the market in recent weeks...
The market is very specific about history and originality at the upper price levels.Non-matching numbers is normally a killer in this league. And how can someone 'restore' a car in the wrong colour
I was explaining the 'matching number' business to my wife recently. She thought it utterly absurd that 2 otherwise completely identical cars - one matching numbers, one not - could be worth such differing amounts.
uktrailmonster said:
roygarth said:
I was explaining the 'matching number' business to my wife recently. She thought it utterly absurd that 2 otherwise completely identical cars - one matching numbers, one not - could be worth such differing amounts.
It is!It's madness...have a go at explaining it to somebody who knows nothing about 'Classic Cars', I guarantee they'll think you're making it up.
hot66 said:
neither of those RS's are top examples though ... the orange one has had a full colour change for example which is not what you want at those price levels
as for the auction description !
"Most street-oriented is the M472 Touring. Mechanically, all Carrera RSs share the same 911S 2.4-based drivetrain, with a Type 911/73 engine at its heart. This 2.7-liter competition powerplant was constructed to handle the demands of racing, and in addition to the displacement bump over a 2.4-liter 911S and mechanical upgrades, it features a radical camshaft and most notably, Bosch mechanical fuel injection, which added 29 HP to make 210."
that's wrong .... the 2.7RS had teh same cams as teh 2.4S + the MFI was the same except the MFI pump which had a new space cam to suit the extra displacement .. throttle bodies etc were teh same for the 2.4S & 2.7RS ... the official fiqures for the RS also was 20bhp greater than the 2.4S ( 210 vs 190)
What about the 7R crankcase? I had heard that some 2.4s had that too? But it is a fundamental difference on an 2.7RS assuming the car still has that as original.as for the auction description !
"Most street-oriented is the M472 Touring. Mechanically, all Carrera RSs share the same 911S 2.4-based drivetrain, with a Type 911/73 engine at its heart. This 2.7-liter competition powerplant was constructed to handle the demands of racing, and in addition to the displacement bump over a 2.4-liter 911S and mechanical upgrades, it features a radical camshaft and most notably, Bosch mechanical fuel injection, which added 29 HP to make 210."
that's wrong .... the 2.7RS had teh same cams as teh 2.4S + the MFI was the same except the MFI pump which had a new space cam to suit the extra displacement .. throttle bodies etc were teh same for the 2.4S & 2.7RS ... the official fiqures for the RS also was 20bhp greater than the 2.4S ( 210 vs 190)
As to matching number cars...back in the day for 911s it seemed not so important, but nowadays I certainly don't buy non-matching number cars, even on more prosaic kit such as my TD. it has always made a dramatic difference to prices in the Ferrari world though.
That should be fun when the latest GT3RSs attain classic status. Presumably one of them with the original engine might be worth LESS
Most 2.4S, 2.7RS etc are like Trigger's broom anyway. Not many truly original cars around and many that are supposedly original have some hidden 'history'. Original is very nice, but non-matching numbers wouldn't bother me (priced accordingly of course). What matters is how good the car actually is in front of you, not whether or not it has its original engine, gearbox etc. I'd be more happy with a 2.4S with a rust free shell, correct but not nos-matching engine & gearbox etc. than something totally original in mediocre condition and no doubt over-priced in this current market of complete buffoonery.
roygarth said:
But nevertheless it is interesting that a lot have come onto the market in recent weeks, in particular in the UK where they seem to need to be advertised now to get them shifted, whereas 6 months ago it was all on the quiet. Perhaps a new level gets reached where a new tranch of long term owners think 'OK its Autumn, values have jumped it's time to get out.'
Six months ago there were more people feeling confident due to a number of economic factors including the value of property (especially in London) going up. The London housing market has already seen a downturn and that's likely to knock confidence in other areas.Suddenly those who felt they should hold on to their car (because it was increasing in value) will be questioning whether we're reached the peak of this bubble and if they should cash in quick and realise the profit.
Sellers are probably advertising their car in the hope it sells quickly, before a downturn.
roygarth said:
Obviously I agree re. originality etc. But nevertheless it is interesting that a lot have come onto the market in recent weeks, in particular in the UK where they seem to need to be advertised now to get them shifted, whereas 6 months ago it was all on the quiet. Perhaps a new level gets reached where a new tranch of long term owners think 'OK its Autumn, values have jumped it's time to get out.'
This happened with DB5's a year or so ago after their big rise. Lots of ads with prices not POA..prices stabilised for a while as all these cars were sold..then prices moved up again! So who knows, this might be the market having a breather before heading further North......or not!Gassing Station | Porsche Classics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff