Scuderia.....testing the market

[schaeffs]

Russell996 said:

I'm not sure it is hype on the horsepower increases, Capristo posts youtube videos of the dyno before and after fitment. Granted it is not a peak horsepower gain of 40 hp but is a mid range gain which I would judge as actually more beneficial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDSbSqlDjAs

I've seen them and still not convinced. It certainly sounds louder on mine and definitely feels sharper throttle response wise to a normal Scud - but don't feel any extra HP when driving the car. Maybe 30bhp on top of 500 doesn't give you any "seat of the pants" feeling...

[voicey]

Russell996 said:

I'm not sure it is hype on the horsepower increases, Capristo posts youtube videos of the dyno before and after fitment. Granted it is not a peak horsepower gain of 40 hp but is a mid range gain which I would judge as actually more beneficial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDSbSqlDjAs

Are they claiming 40hp on the Scud/16M?

I fail to see where this comes from - maybe on a stock 430 but not on a Scud. The stock car benefits from the removal of the pre-cat in the manifold which makes it breath more easily - ergo more power. However, the Scud/16M doesn't have any pre-cats (they have air injection to manage the cold start emissions). I just can't see how they could get such big gains from an exhaust change.

[Slickhillsy]

voicey said:

Are they claiming 40hp on the Scud/16M?

I fail to see where this comes from - maybe on a stock 430 but not on a Scud. The stock car benefits from the removal of the pre-cat in the manifold which makes it breath more easily - ergo more power. However, the Scud/16M doesn't have any pre-cats (they have air injection to manage the cold start emissions). I just can't see how they could get such big gains from an exhaust change.

I would wager due to emissions and relative mass production the engineering restrictions are still quite high.

Remember all this kit is handmade (hence the cost) so with careful reengineering / shaping & polishing of parts (especially in the manifolds) plus (and this is a big restrictor) a move to high flow cats I would say Ferrari did leave a fair amount on the table. They had to make this country compliant across the world so inevitably they had to cap it.

Take a high end 1000cc superbike. An exhaust swap would easily give you an extra 10hp x that by 4 (or 4.3) and you’re in the ball park of 30 - 40 hp (using a very crude method of scale)

[Russell996]

voicey said:

Are they claiming 40hp on the Scud/16M?

I fail to see where this comes from - maybe on a stock 430 but not on a Scud. The stock car benefits from the removal of the pre-cat in the manifold which makes it breath more easily - ergo more power. However, the Scud/16M doesn't have any pre-cats (they have air injection to manage the cold start emissions). I just can't see how they could get such big gains from an exhaust change.

At 4500 rpm they are claiming 40hp + 60NM on a Scud/16M. Never had mine on a Dyno so only repeating Capristo claims. Peak power is I believe only an additional 15HP. (this is for manifolds, 200 CEL cats and muffler bypass)

Edited by Russell996 on Monday 16th March 16:39

[Slickhillsy]

Peak power is manifolds -> 200 CEL cats and OUT (bypasses the muffler)

[Slickhillsy]

So this good looking example seems to have finally sold - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

annnnd this is interestingly priced - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

The sun is coming and the market might just be moving...

[GRBF430F1]

Slickhillsy said:

So this good looking example seems to have finally sold - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

annnnd this is interestingly priced - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

The sun is coming and the market might just be moving...

Maybe sold but probably less than asking price. As regards the other one at £30k more that's just think of a price and add a zero - Optimistic thinking to say the least.

Maybe the sun will make some people pay crazy prices !

[griff7]

Slickhillsy said:

So this good looking example seems to have finally sold - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

annnnd this is interestingly priced - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

The sun is coming and the market might just be moving...

My local dealership sold one with more than double the mileage of the first car for the same figure towards the end of last year.I bet the other car will not be for sale too long either.

After going to the Geneva motorshow and having a close look at the two 488's on the stand it was the most disappointing car for me at the show.The lower front spoiler looked like an after thought and from a 45degree angle looked stuck on.The engine apart from saying Ferrari on it could have been a Honda Vtec and the seats were disgusting although changeable.The rear quarter also looked terrible from all angles and the exhaust stuck out too far but apart from that it was ok

After returning home it bought home the fact that cars like the CS Scud and Speciale are all the last of a generation of cars that sound amazing and look superb.It made the prices of the two cars listed above seem very reasonable when you take into consideration of the thrills they give and noise that is not manufactured.

[AmoCS]

griff7 said:

Slickhillsy said:

So this good looking example seems to have finally sold - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

annnnd this is interestingly priced - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

The sun is coming and the market might just be moving...

My local dealership sold one with more than double the mileage of the first car for the same figure towards the end of last year.I bet the other car will not be for sale too long either.

After going to the Geneva motorshow and having a close look at the two 488's on the stand it was the most disappointing car for me at the show.The lower front spoiler looked like an after thought and from a 45degree angle looked stuck on.The engine apart from saying Ferrari on it could have been a Honda Vtec and the seats were disgusting although changeable.The rear quarter also looked terrible from all angles and the exhaust stuck out too far but apart from that it was ok

After returning home it bought home the fact that cars like the CS Scud and Speciale are all the last of a generation of cars that sound amazing and look superb.It made the prices of the two cars listed above seem very reasonable when you take into consideration of the thrills they give and noise that is not manufactured.

[marky1]

GRBF430F1 said:

Maybe sold but probably less than asking price. As regards the other one at £30k more that's just think of a price and add a zero - Optimistic thinking to say the least.

Maybe the sun will make some people pay crazy prices !

You are hysterical. Now you're out you're talking them down. If you were still in you'd be saying that'll go for over asking. Would you like to play a game of poker???? You are totally absolutely 100% predictable. Can you not just give it a break finally? We get it dude, you like to talk about values but how long is this going to go on for?

[GRBF430F1]

marky1 said:

You are hysterical. Now you're out you're talking them down. If you were still in you'd be saying that'll go for over asking. Would you like to play a game of poker???? You are totally absolutely 100% predictable. Can you not just give it a break finally? We get it dude, you like to talk about values but how long is this going to go on for?

So you think £220k is realistic then ????? £30k more than one that has taken ages to sell.
Never known anyone to give more than the asking price but you should know there is always a village idiot

[marky1]

GRBF430F1 said:

So you think £220k is realistic then ????? £30k more than one that has taken ages to sell.
Never known anyone to give more than the asking price but you should know there is always a village idiot

If you still owned one I'm 99% sure you'd be saying it's realistic.

[Ravi355]

marky1 said:

If you still owned one I'm 99% sure you'd be saying it's realistic.

+1 so true lol !

[kbooker]

GRBF430F1 said:

there is always a village idiot

same rule applies to forums too...

[roygarth]

kbooker said:

GRBF430F1 said:

there is always a village idiot

same rule applies to forums too...

Lol

[GRBF430F1]

marky1 said:

If you still owned one I'm 99% sure you'd be saying it's realistic.

I know the "going price" as I sold a pristine 15,000 mile car only a month ago and the money is the bank thanks very much. £220k is poppycock IMHO but if you think its realistic and only going to go up you could always buy it for yourself if you care to put your money where your mouth is ?

I thought not

[marky1]

GRBF430F1 said:

I know the "going price" as I sold a pristine 15,000 mile car only a month ago and the money is the bank thanks very much. £220k is poppycock IMHO but if you think its realistic and only going to go up you could always buy it for yourself if you care to put your money where your mouth is ?

I thought not

Already have one thanks. I think everyone on here know's what I'm talking about aside from you.

[S1ufo]

Hi there, I'm currently looking to buy Scuderia - theres obviously a few of you here that currently own one, or have owned one, so wondered if i could ask a few questions:

• LHD or RHD? for a car that would probably do o more than 4k miles a year, is a LHD difficult to live with on UK roads?

• If LHD - whats the implications of buying a car in say Belgium or France - do the headlights need changing + other bits? is it an easy process i.e. fly down, pay your money and drive the car back before sorting paperwork?

• What is the standard spec of a Scuderia i.e. do they all have a carbon diffuser? are there some particular extras that you would say are really worth holding out for i.e. particular seats/trim etc...

• Finally - colour, i know its completely subjective, but i quite fancy a non red car - bad move or not? I'm guessing the stripe is a necessity....

Im sorry for all the questions - i have searched for a lot of this info, but thought it easier to ask for updated opinions...

Thank you in advance.

[stain]

Mine is RHD so I can't comment on driving a LHD in this country. Rear visibility over the shoulder isn't great and LHD won't help when pulling onto roundabouts etc. 80k is a lot to pay to sit on the correct side for this country and worth it to me.

I'm not an expert on spec but I believe all have the carbon diffuser. When I bought mine the salesman told me that cars without the carbon driving zone and LED wheel are hard to sell on, with the wheel being a very expensive retro-fit if not there.

There were a few interior trim options - cloth / Alcantara / leather. I think non leather suits the car better.

The stripe is what makes the car and most have it and I personally prefer regular seatbelts as opposed to harnesses.

I'm told that resale red is the only colour to buy but I think it looks better in other colours. Mine is Giallo Modena and looks stunning in the flesh, but again colour is all down to personal taste.

Whatever you get you will not be disappointed.

[jimmyslr]

I'm not 100% on this, but my impression on options and desirability is...

- carbon/led steering wheel: everyone wants this
- stereo/satnav: also helps make a car more popular. I know it's all about the engine, but you're not always travelling at warp speed. I really wanted this as retrofit is huge cost
- roll bar: not sure many are bothered about this but not intrusive so no down side
- harnesses: they're not proper ones and relatively easy to use. I like them, but not a critical item
- fire extinguisher with a natty little cover: doubt people fussed
- carbon diffuser: wasn't standard, at least not earlier in production. I'm not sure people are fussed much, but is nice
- seats: lots of options, but black alcantara and contrasting stitching seems the most popular
- rev counter colour: each to their own
- wheels and stripe colour: gold is a bit marmite, others fine

I've driven plenty of lhd cars in the UK. It's a faff sometimes but not often. It's not like you'll be driving in and out of lots of multi storey car parks I imagine so the oft cited ticket machine issue might not be a real issue.

James