F430 (Manual) - a celebration
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Benjy911 said:
Updated with deposit taken. 
Meridien's manual also appears as reserved, 2005, 15.5k, £119,995
http://www.meridien.co.uk/used-cars/2340/ferrari-f...
The Meridian car sold 1st week Jan... at least thats what the salesman told me when I called about it... suprised its still on the website. Meridien's manual also appears as reserved, 2005, 15.5k, £119,995
http://www.meridien.co.uk/used-cars/2340/ferrari-f...
Edited by Benjy911 on Friday 26th February 21:18
Edited by Benjy911 on Friday 26th February 21:19
Really didnt want this thread to become about prices tho.... will resist myself and talk about the fact that I only just got round to picking my car up today....
So... collected car today from Silverstone... fantastic job by Tom at Keys Motorsport, who had just serviced and prepped the car... he said its one of the best examples hes seen, which is always reassuring for a first time buyer !
The drive from Silverstone to London.... incredible... the gearshift is miles... really miles better than the 355 manual I recently tried... its shorter of throw, buttery smooth to engage and had a lovely clutch action... it just made me feel hard-wired into the engine... and blipping the throttle to rev match is pure joy... and the noise OMG... stock exhaust but with the top down its surely all you'd ever need.
It doesnt feel 500hp fast in 6th gear at 70mph though... ive been spoilt by turbo cars for too long I guess where you can be lazy and still be fast... but it felt rock solid at high speed motorway sweepers and has a much nicer ride quality in town than my 911... a very pleasant suprise was the lack of buffeting in the cabin at almost any 'sane' speed.... didnt expect that nor did I expect the heating system to be quite so efficient and strong... not bemoaning lack of heated seats anymore thats for sure !
Do I wish the car had a lower stance? Yes and is easily addressed of course, but the trade-off for keeping the front bumper intact is something I'll have to think long and hard about...
Anything I didnt like? Well.... I suppose some cupholders would be nice
The drive from Silverstone to London.... incredible... the gearshift is miles... really miles better than the 355 manual I recently tried... its shorter of throw, buttery smooth to engage and had a lovely clutch action... it just made me feel hard-wired into the engine... and blipping the throttle to rev match is pure joy... and the noise OMG... stock exhaust but with the top down its surely all you'd ever need.
It doesnt feel 500hp fast in 6th gear at 70mph though... ive been spoilt by turbo cars for too long I guess where you can be lazy and still be fast... but it felt rock solid at high speed motorway sweepers and has a much nicer ride quality in town than my 911... a very pleasant suprise was the lack of buffeting in the cabin at almost any 'sane' speed.... didnt expect that nor did I expect the heating system to be quite so efficient and strong... not bemoaning lack of heated seats anymore thats for sure !
Do I wish the car had a lower stance? Yes and is easily addressed of course, but the trade-off for keeping the front bumper intact is something I'll have to think long and hard about...
Anything I didnt like? Well.... I suppose some cupholders would be nice
ZeroH said:
So... collected car today from Silverstone... fantastic job by Tom at Keys Motorsport, who had just serviced and prepped the car... he said its one of the best examples hes seen, which is always reassuring for a first time buyer !
The drive from Silverstone to London.... incredible... the gearshift is miles... really miles better than the 355 manual I recently tried... its shorter of throw, buttery smooth to engage and had a lovely clutch action... it just made me feel hard-wired into the engine... and blipping the throttle to rev match is pure joy... and the noise OMG... stock exhaust but with the top down its surely all you'd ever need.
It doesnt feel 500hp fast in 6th gear at 70mph though... ive been spoilt by turbo cars for too long I guess where you can be lazy and still be fast... but it felt rock solid at high speed motorway sweepers and has a much nicer ride quality in town than my 911... a very pleasant suprise was the lack of buffeting in the cabin at almost any 'sane' speed.... didnt expect that nor did I expect the heating system to be quite so efficient and strong... not bemoaning lack of heated seats anymore thats for sure !
Do I wish the car had a lower stance? Yes and is easily addressed of course, but the trade-off for keeping the front bumper intact is something I'll have to think long and hard about...
Anything I didnt like? Well.... I suppose some cupholders would be nice
Nice one - post up some more pics when you get a chance!The drive from Silverstone to London.... incredible... the gearshift is miles... really miles better than the 355 manual I recently tried... its shorter of throw, buttery smooth to engage and had a lovely clutch action... it just made me feel hard-wired into the engine... and blipping the throttle to rev match is pure joy... and the noise OMG... stock exhaust but with the top down its surely all you'd ever need.
It doesnt feel 500hp fast in 6th gear at 70mph though... ive been spoilt by turbo cars for too long I guess where you can be lazy and still be fast... but it felt rock solid at high speed motorway sweepers and has a much nicer ride quality in town than my 911... a very pleasant suprise was the lack of buffeting in the cabin at almost any 'sane' speed.... didnt expect that nor did I expect the heating system to be quite so efficient and strong... not bemoaning lack of heated seats anymore thats for sure !
Do I wish the car had a lower stance? Yes and is easily addressed of course, but the trade-off for keeping the front bumper intact is something I'll have to think long and hard about...
Anything I didnt like? Well.... I suppose some cupholders would be nice
I can related to the 6th gear as well... I also came from a 996 turbo.
allister said:
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Thanks for the reply.My, possibly ignorant, view would be the world is changing. People like the interaction and involvement of manual cars, hence the rise in prices of older manuals. While I'd agree the race is on for Ferrari and their peers to get the speed crown, that's surely for their halo cars. On lesser models, where bragging rights of 0.01s of a second are largely irrelevant, if customer demand is for involvement, the customer will get what they want. I may be wrong.
Developing two gearboxes may be expensive but I suspect Ferrari have the volumes and certainly have clients willing to pay for what they want, if that's what's needed.
You are most likely right that another n/a V8 won't be made but I didn't expect the FF replacement to still have an n/a engine.
Interesting times, thanks again for your view.
Pork said:
Thanks for the reply.
My, possibly ignorant, view would be the world is changing. People like the interaction and involvement of manual cars, hence the rise in prices of older manuals. While I'd agree the race is on for Ferrari and their peers to get the speed crown, that's surely for their halo cars. On lesser models, where bragging rights of 0.01s of a second are largely irrelevant, if customer demand is for involvement, the customer will get what they want. I may be wrong.
Developing two gearboxes may be expensive but I suspect Ferrari have the volumes and certainly have clients willing to pay for what they want, if that's what's needed.
You are most likely right that another n/a V8 won't be made but I didn't expect the FF replacement to still have an n/a engine.
Interesting times, thanks again for your view.
I think that ultinately Ferrari would only buold another manual if they believed there was a strong business case based on demand. The demand for new supercars with manual shift just isn't there.... whenever manual v dct is offered, dct sales rocket and no-one wants the manual... especially so given how modern electronics put the transmission at the heart of the dynamics and ecu control strategyMy, possibly ignorant, view would be the world is changing. People like the interaction and involvement of manual cars, hence the rise in prices of older manuals. While I'd agree the race is on for Ferrari and their peers to get the speed crown, that's surely for their halo cars. On lesser models, where bragging rights of 0.01s of a second are largely irrelevant, if customer demand is for involvement, the customer will get what they want. I may be wrong.
Developing two gearboxes may be expensive but I suspect Ferrari have the volumes and certainly have clients willing to pay for what they want, if that's what's needed.
You are most likely right that another n/a V8 won't be made but I didn't expect the FF replacement to still have an n/a engine.
Interesting times, thanks again for your view.
Only if Ferrari offered a entry level manual only option would I see take up.... and even then presumably it would have a turbocharged engine.... I can't see it happening.... what would it be up against - Porsche Cayman gt4?
Entry level manuals would not be a high margin car and thus require volume... unless Ferrari want to massively ramp up production targets it makes no sense.
willfinch36 said:
Nice one - post up some more pics when you get a chance!
I can related to the 6th gear as well... I also came from a 996 turbo.
Funny thing is, when driving it, I just didn't care that it didnt feel super fast.... I mean its still a 9.0s car to 100mph so clearly its not slow, but the sensations and thrill of driving roof down with the orchestra at your left hands disposal is so overwhelmingly blissful that it makes outright acceletation or speed issues feel quite irrelevant !I can related to the 6th gear as well... I also came from a 996 turbo.
ZeroH said:
Funny thing is, when driving it, I just didn't care that it didnt feel super fast.... I mean its still a 9.0s car to 100mph so clearly its not slow, but the sensations and thrill of driving roof down with the orchestra at your left hands disposal is so overwhelmingly blissful that it makes outright acceletation or speed issues feel quite irrelevant !
Having been lucky enough to drive my dad's a few times now, you're definitely right. His is equipped with a Tubi exhaust which somewhat increases the noise from the orchestra, but it's a car which manages to create a real sense of occasion, and when you get that gear change just right 
Nano2nd said:
Great number plate... any better interior pics?j3gme said:
http://preowned.ferrari.com/en/gb/search/2006/ferr...
Well its getting silly now ....£159,990!!!!!
Would be 8-10% more if it was red Well its getting silly now ....£159,990!!!!!
Obviously one for collectors but they are out there... the 3k mile rosso/crema coupe at bols sold in 4 days for 150k£.
ZeroH said:
j3gme said:
http://preowned.ferrari.com/en/gb/search/2006/ferr...
Well its getting silly now ....£159,990!!!!!
Would be 8-10% more if it was red Well its getting silly now ....£159,990!!!!!
Obviously one for collectors but they are out there... the 3k mile rosso/crema coupe at bols sold in 4 days for 150k£.
j3gme said:
http://preowned.ferrari.com/en/gb/search/2006/ferr...
Well its getting silly now ....£159,990!!!!!
Looks so much cleaner without the shields IMO. What price would it be if it had ceramics...?Well its getting silly now ....£159,990!!!!!
mon the fish said:
Looks so much cleaner without the shields IMO. What price would it be if it had ceramics...?
On a 10yr old car, no difference imo. Many buyers, incl myself prefer steels... much chepaer replacement costs and no concerns about chipping/scoring, both of which Ive seen recently. I don't think any options really add value other than colour combination of exterior/interior... there are nice to haves such as carbon seats, carbon zone... some buyers may pay a small premium but these cars are so thin on the ground what really matters is the colour combo, bodyshape (spider premium), the miles, and the condition/svc history.
ZeroH said:
On a 10yr old car, no difference imo. Many buyers, incl myself prefer steels... much chepaer replacement costs and no concerns about chipping/scoring, both of which Ive seen recently.
I don't think any options really add value other than colour combination of exterior/interior... there are nice to haves such as carbon seats, carbon zone... some buyers may pay a small premium but these cars are so thin on the ground what really matters is the colour combo, bodyshape (spider premium), the miles, and the condition/svc history.
does the spider premium apply to manuals? theoretically if your buying a manual your looking for a more raw/best driving experience, then the coupe is the choice? however theres so few available a doubt that or even the colour combo makes much difference I don't think any options really add value other than colour combination of exterior/interior... there are nice to haves such as carbon seats, carbon zone... some buyers may pay a small premium but these cars are so thin on the ground what really matters is the colour combo, bodyshape (spider premium), the miles, and the condition/svc history.
Yes £159,990 does sound a lot, but let's not forget, this is virtually a brand new car with little more than delivery miles on the clock! - This car should literally be in showroom condition!
Before anyone raises the point..... Yes I do agree that a few more miles, would probably have been healthier for the car over the duration of it's life
Before anyone raises the point..... Yes I do agree that a few more miles, would probably have been healthier for the car over the duration of it's life
Nano2nd said:
does the spider premium apply to manuals? theoretically if your buying a manual your looking for a more raw/best driving experience, then the coupe is the choice? however theres so few available a doubt that or even the colour combo makes much difference
Market transactions appear to support the premium yes. Bear in mind that the spider was circa £9k more expensive new than the coupe so the premium isn't really a premium so much as maintenance of the status quo... But it does mean a modest price uptick allister said:
Yes £159,990 does sound a lot, but let's not forget, this is virtually a brand new car with little more than delivery miles on the clock! - This car should literally be in showroom condition!
Before anyone raises the point..... Yes I do agree that a few more miles, would probably have been healthier for the car over the duration of it's life
It's not a particularly desirable spec frankly.... But as prices rise its expected that these kind of collectors pieces that probably would never otherwise see the light of day will come to market. Before anyone raises the point..... Yes I do agree that a few more miles, would probably have been healthier for the car over the duration of it's life
You only have to look at what's in storage with Ferrari dealers (let alone Indy storage) to know that there is a LOT of very special cars that literally never see the light of day until one day the owners feel the market is right to sell
i think i said it in another thread but i'll say it again here......a couple of weeks ago i turned down a BLIND offer on my rosso/crema manual(26,000 miles) of 120k. it's getting crazy!
i haven't been using mine much over the last 12 months so have been making a big effort to get some use out of it. i spent a good hour and a half out in the sun last sunday and it struck me........
all the recent chat in other threads about performance and speed and ferrari versus mclaren really are irrelevant. the f430 is too fast to exploit on british roads. here and there you get to open up a pinch but if you drive the car at more than 60% you really are risking getting your license taken off you.
really, how much more does anyone need??
i haven't been using mine much over the last 12 months so have been making a big effort to get some use out of it. i spent a good hour and a half out in the sun last sunday and it struck me........
all the recent chat in other threads about performance and speed and ferrari versus mclaren really are irrelevant. the f430 is too fast to exploit on british roads. here and there you get to open up a pinch but if you drive the car at more than 60% you really are risking getting your license taken off you.
really, how much more does anyone need??
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