(RESOLVED) Will it ever be implemented? HTTPS

(RESOLVED) Will it ever be implemented? HTTPS

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feef

5,206 posts

184 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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Order66 said:
Prizam said:
feef said:
Even the AWS management account has two factor auth these days tho.
Yes...IF you set it up / turn it on.
I think that is overkill - two factor auth gets on my tits. I can accept it for my bank and other stuff where money is involved, but for PH it would be too much hassle. Just basic https would be fine thanks. Whenever I need to look at my vodafone bill it does my head in that I need to piss about getting a text code from them.
This was in reference to accessing the aws management console, not a suggestion for logging into ph

Prizam

2,354 posts

142 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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DanL said:
Prizam said:
Next year, when GDPR comes in... it will cost them 4% of all revenue across the haymarket group. No if's no buts! Instant fine.
Assuming you're right (I don't know what GDPR is) then that's the motivation to address it from a business perspective. It also tells you they've got a touch under 12 months to get around to it...
Was written in to law 27 April 2016

Becomes enforceable 25 May 2018.


DanL

6,266 posts

266 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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Usget said:
Hadn't realised this was still rumbling on, so I'm checking into the thread for updates.

The messages from James Drake really shock me to be honest. Any IT PM knows that "I don't know" simply isn't an answer. If you don't know, why not? If the Devs won't give you a fixed-by date, why not? What's the blocker? Who can help to resolve it?

If I went into a stakeholder meeting and delivered those updates, I'd be verbally torn a new one.
The bit you're missing is that you're not a stakeholder. In the big picture you're the product, not the customer, and "I don't know" could just as easily be code for "I don't see why I should tell you", or "it's not my responsibility"... wink

Order66

6,733 posts

250 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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feef said:
This was in reference to accessing the aws management console, not a suggestion for logging into ph
Ah, indeed, apologies - my fault for not reading back what you were commenting on. Lets face it....PH able to implement 2FA

Usget

5,426 posts

212 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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DanL said:
Usget said:
Hadn't realised this was still rumbling on, so I'm checking into the thread for updates.

The messages from James Drake really shock me to be honest. Any IT PM knows that "I don't know" simply isn't an answer. If you don't know, why not? If the Devs won't give you a fixed-by date, why not? What's the blocker? Who can help to resolve it?

If I went into a stakeholder meeting and delivered those updates, I'd be verbally torn a new one.
The bit you're missing is that you're not a stakeholder. In the big picture you're the product, not the customer, and "I don't know" could just as easily be code for "I don't see why I should tell you", or "it's not my responsibility"... wink
shrug - I suppose you're right, but without the forum, PH is just a fairly average news site with SOTW. Whilst I agree that we're not customers, we at least deserve to be treated as stakeholders. As you say, the reality is different.

George111

6,930 posts

252 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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DanL said:
Usget said:
Hadn't realised this was still rumbling on, so I'm checking into the thread for updates.

The messages from James Drake really shock me to be honest. Any IT PM knows that "I don't know" simply isn't an answer. If you don't know, why not? If the Devs won't give you a fixed-by date, why not? What's the blocker? Who can help to resolve it?

If I went into a stakeholder meeting and delivered those updates, I'd be verbally torn a new one.
The bit you're missing is that you're not a stakeholder. In the big picture you're the product, not the customer, and "I don't know" could just as easily be code for "I don't see why I should tell you", or "it's not my responsibility"... wink
Advertiser is the customer, the product is clicks and links. We are the scum under the clicks and links, hence even if an account is hacked it's good for PH - more clicks, more ads served . . .

TheExcession

11,669 posts

251 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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This entire hhtps scenario is beyond a joke now.

It wasn't that long ago that it was possible to look at the cookies this site used and gain login access to the mods forum.

At the very least the PH login page should have been done years ago. It really isn't that difficult - buy a certificate, deploy the keys and redirect http login to https.

My only conclusion is that the 'developers' being churned out of colleges and universities these days don't have a fvcking clue about the underlying transport mechanisms (in fact you only have to look at the sheer volume of html/js that is delivered by many sites these days to fathom that one out - nobody seems to be coding for transport efficiency these days).

I'm gob smacked that Haymarket either won't fund up a few £K to get someone in on contract who could likely fix this in a few days, or take up the offers of help from long standing members within the forums who do this stuff for a living, but still seem to bury their heads pretending it is not an issue.

Stunning incompetence.

Twenty years ago I had a Thawte certified https server running in my bedroom on a 1Mb ADSL line.

FFS - Haymarket - just get it sorted.

(I'm also open to comment about what is stored (un)hashed in the PH forum users DB - MD5 anyone or plain-text?)

thebraketester

14,291 posts

139 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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Well that's the beauty of bringing your own ball to the playground.

eliot

11,491 posts

255 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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Just followed in from the thread in the Lounge.
Lack of SSL is really poor form - the spooks vacuum up ALL internet traffic by default and extract out useful plain text information such as these passwords, as they know they can re-use them elsewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

DS197

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992 posts

107 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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eliot said:
Just followed in from the thread in the Lounge.
Lack of SSL is really poor form - the spooks vacuum up ALL internet traffic by default and extract out useful plain text information such as these passwords, as they know they can re-use them elsewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore
SSL won't stop them if they really want your password(s) unfortunately https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/12/0...

bitchstewie

51,907 posts

211 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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If three letter agencies want your stuff they're going to get it. I'd be far more concerned about the folks here who check Pistonheads on free Wi-Fi whilst waiting in the airport or McDonalds and who aren't all that IT savvy so use the same password on their email as they do PH.

Sniff the PH username and password and you can see the persons profile.

See the persons profile and you have their email.

If you are reusing passwords and don't have 2FA enabled on your email, game over.

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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TheExcession said:
(I'm also open to comment about what is stored (un)hashed in the PH forum users DB - MD5 anyone or plain-text?)
My money's on plaintext.

Let's face it, if they won't discuss it, it's not bcrypt.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

216 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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0000 said:
Let's face it, if they won't discuss it, it's not bcrypt.
bbbbbbbbbbut *performance* hehe

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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smile

On the upside, if it's plaintext at least they can move to bcrypt without a mass password reset.

RacingPete

8,908 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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0000 said:
TheExcession said:
(I'm also open to comment about what is stored (un)hashed in the PH forum users DB - MD5 anyone or plain-text?)
My money's on plaintext.

Let's face it, if they won't discuss it, it's not bcrypt.
Passwords are stored using a random salt and a hash using cryptography standards, and are not reversible.

dmsims

6,566 posts

268 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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RacingPete said:
Passwords are stored using a random salt and a hash using cryptography standards, and are not reversible.
and what use is that when you are transmitting them in plain text ?

CoolHands

18,808 posts

196 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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If admin have to log in the same way then presumably lots of other stuff like stealing emails becomes easier too?

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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RacingPete said:
Passwords are stored using a random salt and a hash using cryptography standards, and are not reversible.
What hashing algorithm is it?

Sprint Champ

52 posts

153 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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So given that nothing is going to happen very quickly.

Anyone of you techies suggest a really good password manager program that works on Antroid as well. Heard that Dashlane was good but some recent reviews on there suggested problems with it ?

RacingPete

8,908 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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0000 said:
What hashing algorithm is it?
SHA-2 I think, but will have to ask the team responsible.