12c trade bids

[orbtar]

Wilmslowboy said:

Not sure you can buy 'today' a brand new decent spec 650s spyder for £180k - if you can I'll buy one


- it might have happened a year or so ago but not lately (brand new decent spec spyder -£180k)

Cheers

You could in January/February this year. High spec spider, brand new for Feb or March delivery. Would have been a fairly good, low risk buy.

[RamboLambo]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

Only one login RamboLambo

Great minds think a like but there is only one RamboLambo.

Eventually the stragglers will see sense but its good that McLKaren really have some momentum going forward and the cars are rightly being recognised as the smart choice, superior product and value for money supercar.

It wont take me to convert you all eventually you will work it out for yourselves

[Moishe123]

Great thoughts from many of you

Ok time for you to give me your views on future 12c Coupe and Spider prices

1 year from now
3 years from now
10 years from now ( I know it's a long way off and a guess)

My guess

140/170
185/235
250/400

[Boshly]

Discounting inflation:

1 year - £120k/£140k
3 years - £120k/£140k
10 years - £120k/£140k

Happy to help

[cgt2]

We might get a better idea after the vote next week, markets have been very volatile last week...

[anissut]

Moishe123 said:

Great thoughts from many of you

Ok time for you to give me your views on future 12c Coupe and Spider prices

1 year from now
3 years from now
10 years from now ( I know it's a long way off and a guess)

My guess

140/170
185/235
250/400

I think it will be dependent on miles which is not a fair representation as a lot of owners will want to use them but a 12C is never going to be over 200k with 25k miles or more on it.

[Wilmslowboy]

Boshly said:

Discounting inflation:

1 year - £120k/£140k
3 years - £120k/£140k
10 years - £120k/£140k

Happy to help

This is the most likely outcome....

Just as likely to be £60k in 3 years time as £200k

[Sam All]

Will also depend on subsequent models/availability

[isaldiri]

Moishe123 said:

Great thoughts from many of you

Ok time for you to give me your views on future 12c Coupe and Spider prices

1 year from now
3 years from now
10 years from now ( I know it's a long way off and a guess)

My guess

140/170
185/235
250/400

For someone who constantly insists his 12c is a keeper you spend an inordinate time worrying about prices. You say you are an early 12c owner so you have already eaten most of the depreciation compared to everyone else. Just drive the damned thing now. If it goes up it'll actually only start to affect your enjoyment of driving it as you will start thinking about the cost of usage.

[Moishe123]

With lots of miles on the clock I have certainly driven it and enjoyed every moment but yes very interested in how the 12c is seen today and in the future.
Had many super cars over the years but there is something this car!

[RamboLambo]

Even I'm not predicting values to increase to £400k in 10 years.

See them fairly static at £140k in the short term 1 - 3 years.

Being optimistic maybe back to list price £200k + in 10 years..

Would be over the moon if my 30,000 mile 650S spider was worth £282k in 2025 but equally wouldn't give a t*55 if its worth just £90k though see £100k as being the absolute bottom line at this stage

[Gandahar]

If prices keep as they are or creep up surely that is the best for the person owning it as long as you like driving it? IF they get too high it will then become a worry every time you go out in it and it then gets stuck in the garage.

[Sarnie]

Gandahar said:

If prices keep as they are or creep up surely that is the best for the person owning it as long as you like driving it? IF they get too high it will then become a worry every time you go out in it and it then gets stuck in the garage.

Well, someone thinks this low spec car is worth £140k...........

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

[simonr100]

It's for sale in Norfolk...........Norfolk in chance at £140k imo

[Sarnie]

simonr100 said:

It's for sale in Norfolk...........Norfolk in chance at £140k imo

Ha

[GT4RS]

Sarnie said:

Gandahar said:

If prices keep as they are or creep up surely that is the best for the person owning it as long as you like driving it? IF they get too high it will then become a worry every time you go out in it and it then gets stuck in the garage.

Well, someone thinks this low spec car is worth £140k...........

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

It's been for sale for some time.

[GT4RS]

Prices seem to be all over the place considering the more expensive are private sales?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

[Boshly]

GT4RS said:

Prices seem to be all over the place considering the more expensive are private sales?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

Nothing in there out of kilter? Cheapest cars have most miles/least spec and/or LHD and the nicest spec and mileage are the most money.

As you point out a tad surprising that the biggest money is private but it's the best of the bunch and conversely TH are known to buy aggressively.

[Bispal]

GT4RS said:

Prices seem to be all over the place considering the more expensive are private sales?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...

First car is £135,000, 4,000 miles and appears well but not highly specified.
Second car is £99,500, 18,000 miles, well specified but LHD
Third car is £150,000, 6,000 miles and very highly specified
Fourth car is £119,000, 19,000 miles and very low spec.

For the first car take the fourth car as a starting point and value 1,000 miles at £1,000 and that adds £15k, add better spec at £5,000 and that gives you £134,000, almost bang on the same.
Again if you take the fourth car as a starting point you can take off £10k for LHD and £14,000 mileage adjustment then that gives you roughly the price of the second car as they have a similar spec.
Take the fourth car again, add £13k for the mileage adjustment and in this case around £15k for the very high spec (carbon ceramics, full carbon interior, lightweight wheels, PPF, carbon seats and so on) that comes to £147,000, again almost bang on.

So they are not all over the place, in fact I would argue they are fairly consistent. Also a dealer cannot pass on the MCL warranty but a private seller can for just an £80 admin fee. That is worth £3,500 per year and that's why private cars are approx the same as a dealer. Age doesn't seem to have much of an impact due to the short production span and rarity (280 RHD cars).

At the moment it looks like the baseline is around £120,000 for 20,000 miles for a basic spec car and adjust accordingly from there. I would say that 6 months ago that would have been £110,000.

[Skittles001]

Bispal said:

First car is £135,000, 4,000 miles and appears well but not highly specified.
Second car is £99,500, 18,000 miles, well specified but LHD
Third car is £150,000, 6,000 miles and very highly specified
Fourth car is £119,000, 19,000 miles and very low spec.

For the first car take the fourth car as a starting point and value 1,000 miles at £1,000 and that adds £15k, add better spec at £5,000 and that gives you £134,000, almost bang on the same.
Again if you take the fourth car as a starting point you can take off £10k for LHD and £14,000 mileage adjustment then that gives you roughly the price of the second car as they have a similar spec.
Take the fourth car again, add £13k for the mileage adjustment and in this case around £15k for the very high spec (carbon ceramics, full carbon interior, lightweight wheels, PPF, carbon seats and so on) that comes to £147,000, again almost bang on.

So they are not all over the place, in fact I would argue they are fairly consistent. Also a dealer cannot pass on the MCL warranty but a private seller can for just an £80 admin fee. That is worth £3,500 per year and that's why private cars are approx the same as a dealer. Age doesn't seem to have much of an impact due to the short production span and rarity (280 RHD cars).

At the moment it looks like the baseline is around £120,000 for 20,000 miles for a basic spec car and adjust accordingly from there. I would say that 6 months ago that would have been £110,000.

Bispal, thanks for unpicking that. Very interesting and useful plus clearly quite consistent. Not directly relevant but certainly related, Romans have a stunning 63 plate12c spider for 153k