Discussion
mattf93 said:
Appears yesterday was the first day whereby prospective owners could get behind the wheel of the 675LT and it appears Shmee150 has bagged one (top marks but please not green on the 675).
Will be interesting to see what the journalists think in comparison to the 488, 458 and 458 speciale. or possibly the gt3rs. Best sounding normal mclaren so far!
The Napier Green in the track video is much nicer than Mantis GreenWill be interesting to see what the journalists think in comparison to the 488, 458 and 458 speciale. or possibly the gt3rs. Best sounding normal mclaren so far!
I almost called to change my 650S order
Car now 100% ordered + spec decided, this is what I went for as extras.
MCLAREN TRACK TELEMETRY
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This is what it will look like -
MCLAREN TRACK TELEMETRY
VEHICLE LIFT
PARKING SENSORS & REAR PARKING CAMERA
EXTERIOR UPGRADE PACK
CARBON FIBRE END PLATE
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CARBON FIBRE REAR BUMPER
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mattf93 said:
Will be interesting to see what the journalists think in comparison to the 488, 458 and 458 speciale. or possibly the gt3rs. Best sounding normal mclaren so far!
Embargo lifts tomorrow. I get the feeling they will say it is rather fast. 100kg down and a few bhp up on an already speedy car.The speed was never in question though, I will be more interested in the handling thoughts as sometimes the journo's, unlike the people buying them who live with them, have said it is a bit, er how to say, "technically aloof" ???
I see a few McLaren's around Sevenoaks and I still cannot get to grips with the engine / exhaust noise. It's loud but sounds like something in a factory. I think the cars look great though.
NickOrangeTVR said:
Car now 100% ordered + spec decided, this is what I went for as extras.
MCLAREN TRACK TELEMETRY
VEHICLE LIFT
PARKING SENSORS & REAR PARKING CAMERA
EXTERIOR UPGRADE PACK
CARBON FIBRE END PLATE
CARBON FIBRE LOWER SIDE INTAKE
CARBON FIBRE REAR BUMPER
CLUB SPORT PACK
This is what it will look like -
nice. would take this over a 488 any day of the week.MCLAREN TRACK TELEMETRY
VEHICLE LIFT
PARKING SENSORS & REAR PARKING CAMERA
EXTERIOR UPGRADE PACK
CARBON FIBRE END PLATE
CARBON FIBRE LOWER SIDE INTAKE
CARBON FIBRE REAR BUMPER
CLUB SPORT PACK
This is what it will look like -
Gandahar said:
Embargo lifts tomorrow. I get the feeling they will say it is rather fast. 100kg down and a few bhp up on an already speedy car.
The speed was never in question though, I will be more interested in the handling thoughts as sometimes the journo's, unlike the people buying them who live with them, have said it is a bit, er how to say, "technically aloof" ???
I see a few McLaren's around Sevenoaks and I still cannot get to grips with the engine / exhaust noise. It's loud but sounds like something in a factory. I think the cars look great though.
Embargo lifts midnight tonight I thought....? Suspect the journalist reviews will have been written long before any of them actually have driven the cars anyway though. The speed was never in question though, I will be more interested in the handling thoughts as sometimes the journo's, unlike the people buying them who live with them, have said it is a bit, er how to say, "technically aloof" ???
I see a few McLaren's around Sevenoaks and I still cannot get to grips with the engine / exhaust noise. It's loud but sounds like something in a factory. I think the cars look great though.
isaldiri said:
Embargo lifts midnight tonight I thought....? Suspect the journalist reviews will have been written long before any of them actually have driven the cars anyway though.
Bugs me so many Journalists appear to be in Ferraris back pocket, whilst the 458/458 speciale are sensational cars, I don't think the mclarens have been given anywhere near enough credit. I am happy chris harris (love him or hate him) has a 650s spider on loan, and will have undoubtedly driven a 675LT also. Im just really hoping this is the Mclaren that Journos really like.
That said 570s on more standard suspension is supposedly meant to be a more fun set up so maybe some will prefer that look?
For me the 675LT would have to have a roof scoop as well, although I am sure a pricy option I think it will make it look so much more imposing! Anybody opted for one?
isaldiri said:
Gandahar said:
Embargo lifts tomorrow. I get the feeling they will say it is rather fast. 100kg down and a few bhp up on an already speedy car.
The speed was never in question though, I will be more interested in the handling thoughts as sometimes the journo's, unlike the people buying them who live with them, have said it is a bit, er how to say, "technically aloof" ???
I see a few McLaren's around Sevenoaks and I still cannot get to grips with the engine / exhaust noise. It's loud but sounds like something in a factory. I think the cars look great though.
Embargo lifts midnight tonight I thought....? Suspect the journalist reviews will have been written long before any of them actually have driven the cars anyway though. The speed was never in question though, I will be more interested in the handling thoughts as sometimes the journo's, unlike the people buying them who live with them, have said it is a bit, er how to say, "technically aloof" ???
I see a few McLaren's around Sevenoaks and I still cannot get to grips with the engine / exhaust noise. It's loud but sounds like something in a factory. I think the cars look great though.
Don't be so cynical. Well.... it is funny how often over the years cars have been given poor marks in short term tests for certain things and yet when a journo gets one for 6 months it's all fantastic. I think the owners thoughts on the dynamics of the 12C were a lot more positive than the journo's. Always been the case though.
I'm going to guess that they going to say it has ludicrous speed squared. LS^2
I'm really looking forward to the 540/570 reviews. It's really got the 991 Turbo S and the gawky new R8 in it's sights. Not many supercars look like a bargain nowadays, but they do. Sorry sports cars. Don't want to upset Ron's brand positioning.
Of course with the 540C I would imagine not over doing it on the extra's is more of a pain when the base car is a bargain. I had a bash on the configurator for this little red and black number. I added carbon roof, carbon mirrors, stealth sports exhaust and those black forged wheels, no other carbon or stuff. I'm guessing that will be over £150k up from £126k at least.
Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 21st July 18:59
Gandahar said:
Don't be so cynical. Well.... it is funny how often over the years cars have been given poor marks in short term tests for certain things and yet when a journo gets one for 6 months it's all fantastic. I think the owners thoughts on the dynamics of the 12C were a lot more positive than the journo's. Always been the case though.
I'm going to guess that they going to say it has ludicrous speed squared. LS^2
I'm really looking forward to the 540/570 reviews. It's really got the 991 Turbo S and the gawky new R8 in it's sights. Not many supercars look like a bargain nowadays, but they do. Sorry sports cars. Don't want to upset Ron's brand positioning.
Of course with the 540C I would imagine not over doing it on the extra's is more of a pain when the base car is a bargain. I had a bash on the configurator for this little red and black number. I added carbon roof, carbon mirrors, stealth sports exhaust and those black forged wheels, no other carbon or stuff. I'm guessing that will be over £150k up from £126k at least.
Cynical or realistic.. you tell me... extremly fast but clinical and less 'emotional' than a speciale... let's see how much that deviates from that bunch of lazy cliches that were last served up in the 12c/458 reviews a few years back. I'm going to guess that they going to say it has ludicrous speed squared. LS^2
I'm really looking forward to the 540/570 reviews. It's really got the 991 Turbo S and the gawky new R8 in it's sights. Not many supercars look like a bargain nowadays, but they do. Sorry sports cars. Don't want to upset Ron's brand positioning.
Of course with the 540C I would imagine not over doing it on the extra's is more of a pain when the base car is a bargain. I had a bash on the configurator for this little red and black number. I added carbon roof, carbon mirrors, stealth sports exhaust and those black forged wheels, no other carbon or stuff. I'm guessing that will be over £150k up from £126k at least.
O/T - from what I am hearing, the 540/570 carbon options are going to be.. let's just say.. quite substantial in pricing... Personally if I were going down that one, would be very minimal on the cosmetic carbon as ultimately the core driving experience remains the same and just pick the every lightweight option available. Just me though!
isaldiri said:
Cynical or realistic.. you tell me... extremly fast but clinical and less 'emotional' than a speciale... let's see how much that deviates from that bunch of lazy cliches that were last served up in the 12c/458 reviews a few years back.
O/T - from what I am hearing, the 540/570 carbon options are going to be.. let's just say.. quite substantial in pricing... Personally if I were going down that one, would be very minimal on the cosmetic carbon as ultimately the core driving experience remains the same and just pick the every lightweight option available. Just me though!
Lazy? Really? I have both and I think the press were right. It just so happens that I personally think there is a genuine place for 'clinical' when it comes to the business of going very quickly in a tin box that contains your 'ass'! I don't expect the 675 LT conclusion against the 650 to be anything other than what the Speciale was to the 458. The donor car has not changed.O/T - from what I am hearing, the 540/570 carbon options are going to be.. let's just say.. quite substantial in pricing... Personally if I were going down that one, would be very minimal on the cosmetic carbon as ultimately the core driving experience remains the same and just pick the every lightweight option available. Just me though!
I also don't have any problem with that - stupefyingly quick, lovely to look at, brilliantly quick around corners, clinical. Tick.
LukeyLikey said:
Lazy? Really? I have both and I think the press were right. It just so happens that I personally think there is a genuine place for 'clinical' when it comes to the business of going very quickly in a tin box that contains your 'ass'! I don't expect the 675 LT conclusion against the 650 to be anything other than what the Speciale was to the 458. The donor car has not changed.
I also don't have any problem with that - stupefyingly quick, lovely to look at, brilliantly quick around corners, clinical. Tick.
You have a speciale.... I believe...not exactly comparing like for like vs the 12c.I also don't have any problem with that - stupefyingly quick, lovely to look at, brilliantly quick around corners, clinical. Tick.
And yes lazy journalism imo was rather prevalent with the 12c/458 reviews with the whole nonsense about clinical Mclaren lacking the 'passion' of the Ferrari (plus insert jibe about Ron Dennis who admittedly does at times come across rather non human....) look further back at the gt3/rs Ferrari reviews and the whole passion/emotion thing gets trotted out.
Quick is not the be all end all and feel really is what these cars are about. The Mclaren or at least the 12c is far less hyperactive than the 458 and is all the better for it and for some, not necessarily any less of a drivers car. What it is not as many reviews suggested doing any more or less driving by computer than the 458 - both cars are very highly dependent on their multitude of electronic control systems.
Without a stick, there is at least 30% less quantitative driver involvement/emotion surely. So all new cars are down for a start in the emotion / involvement basis. Ferrari, McLaren or other.
To my mind journo's need to work a darn lot harder now and, indeed experience cars in multiple environment and scenarios to earn their corn.
The car manufacturers have moved the game on a lot more than the journalists.
At this level of spend on a car, to accept a journo's opinion as to suits YOU is feeble minded. If we only bought what the journo's said is good, then the roads would be populated with...we would all be driving Fiat multiplas if we listened to the 3 journalists who left the BBC recently.
Any meaningful, unbiased, opinion based upon experience by real people without an axe to be ground, is to be valued. This excludes most journo's. Sadly.
To my mind journo's need to work a darn lot harder now and, indeed experience cars in multiple environment and scenarios to earn their corn.
The car manufacturers have moved the game on a lot more than the journalists.
At this level of spend on a car, to accept a journo's opinion as to suits YOU is feeble minded. If we only bought what the journo's said is good, then the roads would be populated with...we would all be driving Fiat multiplas if we listened to the 3 journalists who left the BBC recently.
Any meaningful, unbiased, opinion based upon experience by real people without an axe to be ground, is to be valued. This excludes most journo's. Sadly.
isaldiri said:
You have a speciale.... I believe...not exactly comparing like for like vs the 12c.
And yes lazy journalism imo was rather prevalent with the 12c/458 reviews with the whole nonsense about clinical Mclaren lacking the 'passion' of the Ferrari (plus insert jibe about Ron Dennis who admittedly does at times come across rather non human....) look further back at the gt3/rs Ferrari reviews and the whole passion/emotion thing gets trotted out.
Quick is not the be all end all and feel really is what these cars are about. The Mclaren or at least the 12c is far less hyperactive than the 458 and is all the better for it and for some, not necessarily any less of a drivers car. What it is not as many reviews suggested doing any more or less driving by computer than the 458 - both cars are very highly dependent on their multitude of electronic control systems.
True, I have a Speciale. However, I have extensive experience of the 458 including on track and my view is still that the press were right in their evaluation YMMV. Many said they preferred the Ferrari but acknowledged it was equally valid to choose the 12C (Top Gear's 458 v 12C Spider comparison for instance).And yes lazy journalism imo was rather prevalent with the 12c/458 reviews with the whole nonsense about clinical Mclaren lacking the 'passion' of the Ferrari (plus insert jibe about Ron Dennis who admittedly does at times come across rather non human....) look further back at the gt3/rs Ferrari reviews and the whole passion/emotion thing gets trotted out.
Quick is not the be all end all and feel really is what these cars are about. The Mclaren or at least the 12c is far less hyperactive than the 458 and is all the better for it and for some, not necessarily any less of a drivers car. What it is not as many reviews suggested doing any more or less driving by computer than the 458 - both cars are very highly dependent on their multitude of electronic control systems.
As a further note, the initial reviews are now out for the 675LT and the verdict is very positive. No doubt we will be able to agree that that is not lazy journalism either? In fact, I think the 675 will prove to be quite a tonic for McLaren where the press are concerned and a quite brilliant car. (One exception is the comment from one journalist that the 675 is the best McLaren since the F1 - can't think that could be true since the P1 is something of a masterpiece by all accounts).
Yes very positive but... how often has one seen the press pack go into full hype mode on one of these launches? Especially when it's a nice expensive expenses paid trip out (at least this time merely to Silverstone than Ascari/Portimao.) As selon said above, it's very hard to get an unbiased meaningful review and while most owners (especially when spanking the better part of £300k) get a serious dose of confirmation bias, IMO one absolutely does not get that from the journos either.
In any case, the review videos are usually worth watching for some pretty in motion shots of the car even if I personally think the content is mainly a load of tosh... the 675 certainly looks right with the added rake and lower ride height in the way the 650 never did. Off to youtube now...;)
In any case, the review videos are usually worth watching for some pretty in motion shots of the car even if I personally think the content is mainly a load of tosh... the 675 certainly looks right with the added rake and lower ride height in the way the 650 never did. Off to youtube now...;)
LukeyLikey said:
(One exception is the comment from one journalist that the 675 is the best McLaren since the F1 - can't think that could be true since the P1 is something of a masterpiece by all accounts).
The P1 might be fully a masterpiece of showing what McLaren are capable of doing technologically, but short of a masterpiece in giving the driver something to explore, exploit and enjoy.One could say the same, I think, about a LaFerrari v a Speciale and about a 918 v a GT3RS.
The Veyron remains the 21st century's ultimate masterpiece of engineering, and especially of build quality, but apart from its straight-line blast it is less rewarding to drive than many other cars.
flemke said:
LukeyLikey said:
(One exception is the comment from one journalist that the 675 is the best McLaren since the F1 - can't think that could be true since the P1 is something of a masterpiece by all accounts).
The P1 might be fully a masterpiece of showing what McLaren are capable of doing technologically, but short of a masterpiece in giving the driver something to explore, exploit and enjoy.One could say the same, I think, about a LaFerrari v a Speciale and about a 918 v a GT3RS.
The Veyron remains the 21st century's ultimate masterpiece of engineering, and especially of build quality, but apart from its straight-line blast it is less rewarding to drive than many other cars.
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