Will electricity prices start to kill off EV's?
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I don't think there is any doubt that the energy price increase has had an affect on charging prices away from home, it is bound to.
It simply reinforces the fact that for the vast majority of people who only own or need or simply can afford one car and maybe need to do trips over a long distance now and then, right now it simply is not worth doing this.
the target audience is being reached, and that is what car makers want. New money, new tech, you fix the faults and then we can sort it all for the riff raff later.
It simply reinforces the fact that for the vast majority of people who only own or need or simply can afford one car and maybe need to do trips over a long distance now and then, right now it simply is not worth doing this.
the target audience is being reached, and that is what car makers want. New money, new tech, you fix the faults and then we can sort it all for the riff raff later.
LukeBrown66 said:
I don't think there is any doubt that the energy price increase has had an affect on charging prices away from home, it is bound to.
Charging at my office has gone from free to 44p per kWh (and will probably go up further). Fortunately I have the range to forgo the pleasure of a top up.Hans_Gruber said:
Picked up my Tesla from bluewater on Saturday.
Judging by the 6 rows of cars ( I would guess at least 300) being picked up the same day, and the fact they deliver 6 days a week, there are a lot of people who have not cancelled their order.
Your figures are miles off, Tesla sold a total of 22000 cars this year.Judging by the 6 rows of cars ( I would guess at least 300) being picked up the same day, and the fact they deliver 6 days a week, there are a lot of people who have not cancelled their order.
Are you saying this month alone they will shift 7200 cars just from Bluewater
Hans_Gruber said:
Picked up my Tesla from bluewater on Saturday.
Judging by the 6 rows of cars ( I would guess at least 300) being picked up the same day, and the fact they deliver 6 days a week, there are a lot of people who have not cancelled their order
That’s a fleet of new Mondeo man cars ordered to minimise company car tax, a load probably have free charging at the office and before blasting around the country selling ink cartridges.Judging by the 6 rows of cars ( I would guess at least 300) being picked up the same day, and the fact they deliver 6 days a week, there are a lot of people who have not cancelled their order
page3 said:
RAC appears to be using very pessimistic stats, as I make 63p/kWh around 12-14p/mile. Obviously that doesn’t take in to account the other cost savings of an EV.
And round and round the thread goes….
That's around a 5 ml/kWh average without accounting for charging losses? What EV is averaging that across a year no matter how it's used? A Twizy?And round and round the thread goes….
LukeBrown66 said:
I don't think there is any doubt that the energy price increase has had an affect on charging prices away from home, it is bound to.
It simply reinforces the fact that for the vast majority of people who only own or need or simply can afford one car and maybe need to do trips over a long distance now and then, right now it simply is not worth doing this.
The vast majority of drivers exceed the range of an EV so infrequently that the cost to charge away from home isn't a significant factor at all.It simply reinforces the fact that for the vast majority of people who only own or need or simply can afford one car and maybe need to do trips over a long distance now and then, right now it simply is not worth doing this.
You even said yourself "maybe need to do trips over a long distance now and then". Well fine, charge at home using heavily discounted night rates and if 'now and then' you have to do a 400 mile journey I suppose you'll be paying a premium for the last 100-150 miles worth of juice. Still preferable to running a petrol/diesel car and paying a high price all the time.
I had to pay 67ppkwh just yesterday due to a 300m round trip for a wedding and I had set out without a full battery. It cost me £30 at the charger to more than comfortably get back home - it's the first time this year I have paid to use a public charger.. If I had a diesel the round trip would have cost be about £55.
For the next 12 months virtually all if not all of my charging will be done at home at 7.5ppkwh. After that period the prices may rise but the night time tariff will always be considerably cheaper than daytime and will never 'catch up' with the cost of petrol or diesel.
TheRainMaker said:
Hans_Gruber said:
Picked up my Tesla from bluewater on Saturday.
Judging by the 6 rows of cars ( I would guess at least 300) being picked up the same day, and the fact they deliver 6 days a week, there are a lot of people who have not cancelled their order.
Your figures are miles off, Tesla sold a total of 22000 cars this year.Judging by the 6 rows of cars ( I would guess at least 300) being picked up the same day, and the fact they deliver 6 days a week, there are a lot of people who have not cancelled their order.
Are you saying this month alone they will shift 7200 cars just from Bluewater
The rest of the numbers you made up
TheRainMaker said:
Your figures are miles off, Tesla sold a total of 22000 cars this year.
Are you saying this month alone they will shift 7200 cars just from Bluewater
...of which some 14,000 were sold back in March. Because of the cyclical supply nature of Tesla models, there will be peaks and troughs. Whilst the latest data for August YTD was indeed 22k cars, it's easy to believe that an absolute bunch (both 3 and Y) will be registered this month. Bluewater is a huge hub for them - cars aren't necessarily all picked up from there, many are subsequently delivered from Bluewater.Are you saying this month alone they will shift 7200 cars just from Bluewater
JonnyVTEC said:
That’s a fleet of new Mondeo man cars ordered to minimise company car tax, a load probably have free charging at the office and before blasting around the country selling ink cartridges.
Let the hate flow through you 
Hans_Gruber said:
Nope I said there were around 300 cars being delivered last Saturday and they deliver 6 days a week.
The rest of the numbers you made up
So the number delivered from Bluewater this month could be anything, maybe lots of people opt for Saturdays? The rest of the numbers you made up
Maybe a boat load of cars came in last Friday?
Why so many white cars?
TheDeuce said:
For the next 12 months virtually all if not all of my charging will be done at home at 7.5ppkwh. After that period the prices may rise but the night time tariff will always be considerably cheaper than daytime and will never 'catch up' with the cost of petrol or diesel.
You only need to look at the Agile prices to see that overnight electricity rarely drops below ~35p (well apart from last night, which is the first time i've seen it sub 35p for months and even then it only dropped to 15p). So I cant see how they can continue to sell it at 7.5p when the average overnight cost for the last 12 months has been 30phttps://www.energy-stats.uk/octopus-agile-east-mid...
SWoll said:
page3 said:
RAC appears to be using very pessimistic stats, as I make 63p/kWh around 12-14p/mile. Obviously that doesn’t take in to account the other cost savings of an EV.
And round and round the thread goes….
That's around a 5 ml/kWh average without accounting for charging losses? What EV is averaging that across a year no matter how it's used? A Twizy?And round and round the thread goes….
eliot said:
TheDeuce said:
For the next 12 months virtually all if not all of my charging will be done at home at 7.5ppkwh. After that period the prices may rise but the night time tariff will always be considerably cheaper than daytime and will never 'catch up' with the cost of petrol or diesel.
You only need to look at the Agile prices to see that overnight electricity rarely drops below ~35p (well apart from last night, which is the first time i've seen it sub 35p for months and even then it only dropped to 15p). So I cant see how they can continue to sell it at 7.5p when the average overnight cost for the last 12 months has been 30phttps://www.energy-stats.uk/octopus-agile-east-mid...
Everyone who buys an EV and opts in for the cheap rate tarriffs is effectively doing their own little bit to 'upgrade' the grid by increasing the attached storage capacity. Hence, such charging will remain way below the 'cost' price. It effectively reduces the cost price for us all.
TheDeuce said:
They buy and sell at that very low price during low usage hours because it helps to balance the grid which avoids mass wastage and keeps the overall domestically produced power as cheap as possible.
Everyone who buys an EV and opts in for the cheap rate tarriffs is effectively doing their own little bit to 'upgrade' the grid by increasing the attached storage capacity. Hence, such charging will remain way below the 'cost' price. It effectively reduces the cost price for us all.
I assume you are talking about V2G which is still very much in it's infancy right now.Everyone who buys an EV and opts in for the cheap rate tarriffs is effectively doing their own little bit to 'upgrade' the grid by increasing the attached storage capacity. Hence, such charging will remain way below the 'cost' price. It effectively reduces the cost price for us all.
I'm benefiting from the cheap rate - but doesn't seem sustainable to me - hopefully I'm wrong.
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