So who's getting an i3?
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Greg_D said:
mine will be an EV in ginger with the twirly wheels, suite interior, DC, Park assist (because it's a brilliant party trick), winter pack and free pro nav.
I'm doing it for purely financial reasons
That's a HUGE spec, are you absolutely sure it's just done for financial reasons ? I'm doing it for purely financial reasons
Surely the real party trick is it's ability to drive itself in traffic jams up to speeds of 24mph ? That's the gadget that I fell for but I was just a bit miffed that I couldn't spec it with the bog standard cloth interior. Naughty marketing ruse that
mids said:
Greg_D said:
mine will be an EV in ginger with the twirly wheels, suite interior, DC, Park assist (because it's a brilliant party trick), winter pack and free pro nav.
I'm doing it for purely financial reasons
That's a HUGE spec, are you absolutely sure it's just done for financial reasons ? I'm doing it for purely financial reasons
Surely the real party trick is it's ability to drive itself in traffic jams up to speeds of 24mph ? That's the gadget that I fell for but I was just a bit miffed that I couldn't spec it with the bog standard cloth interior. Naughty marketing ruse that
Every one of those options is ABSOLUTELY necessary
the wife was concerned with jammy dodgers being smooshed into the cloth interior, lodge tick
DC, upon further thought, i may actually take that off, hmmm
Park assist, as discussed, and the front sensors are very reassuring as you can't really see the front when driving, tick
Winter pack, come on, who would go without arse heaters nowadays, tick
Pro nav, zero cost option, tick
It's pretty easy really, lol........
RossP said:
Greg_D said:
mine will be an EV in ginger with the twirly wheels, suite interior, DC, Park assist (because it's a brilliant party trick), winter pack and free pro nav.
Wot no HK?
te, i'm sure the companies just badge engineer these systems anyway.mids said:
Greg_D said:
mine will be an EV in ginger with the twirly wheels, suite interior, DC, Park assist (because it's a brilliant party trick), winter pack and free pro nav.
I'm doing it for purely financial reasons
That's a HUGE spec, are you absolutely sure it's just done for financial reasons ? I'm doing it for purely financial reasons
Surely the real party trick is it's ability to drive itself in traffic jams up to speeds of 24mph ? That's the gadget that I fell for but I was just a bit miffed that I couldn't spec it with the bog standard cloth interior. Naughty marketing ruse that
AnotherClarkey said:
While I agree that the Tesla model S is massive, the official UK pricing starts from £49,900, which seems rather good....
I think the i3 architecture opens up the possibility of easily developing alternative bodies - a 2 seater convertible with slightyly lower weight and frontal area would be a tempting prospect.
Think I was thinking US price there, £49,000 doesnt seem so bad and in the ball park of comaprable conventional cars, Suspect with a few ticks a lot will be more than that though and it is at least 20 grand dearer than the BMW, not quite as broad an appeal, BMW seem to have gone for a one size fits all, middle of the road approach but I suspect they will fill every niche as sales pick up.I think the i3 architecture opens up the possibility of easily developing alternative bodies - a 2 seater convertible with slightyly lower weight and frontal area would be a tempting prospect.
Wonder if there will ever be an M division EV ?
AnotherClarkey said:
While I agree that the Tesla model S is massive, the official UK pricing starts from £49,900, which seems rather good....
According to Auto Express it starts at £82,400 - that's a fair chunk of change difference. Where did you see £49,900?http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/model-s/65600/t...
oyster said:
How can you say it's like for like when you include the distribution loss for electricity but not for fossil fuels. You know, all those tanker deliveries don't run on pixie vapour.
I'm comparing the energy efficiency of converting the fossil fuel into energy at the wheel. That's why it's like for like. If you want to include petrol distribution, then you should probably include the cost of building all the petrol stations, plus the cost of building your gas turbine, national grid network, refinery, extractions, North Sea platforms, pipes etc. If you've a more accurate model of comparative efficiency, let's hear it.
RossP said:
andywaterfall said:
I'm getting parking assist and driving assist
That's some expense for something you can do yourself...Greg_D said:
covmutley said:
My commute is 80 miles a day so 'in range' but its 95% motorway. I will be interested to see what impact motorway speed has on range.
If I could do it all electric, I'd probably be looking at a 3k annual fuel saving compared to my current car.
i did this exact experiment myself as a crucial part of my test drive the other day. I did 13 M/Way miles @ around 80 and it has a 20% detrimental effect on range, ie you lose 1.2 miles in range for every mile travelled (that was in 'normal' mode, not eco+ or whatever) so in effect, no worse than an ICE car.If I could do it all electric, I'd probably be looking at a 3k annual fuel saving compared to my current car.
mine will be an EV in ginger with the twirly wheels, suite interior, DC, Park assist (because it's a brilliant party trick), winter pack and free pro nav.
They've promised mar/april, but i reckon that's all lies, we'll see.......
I'm doing it for purely financial reasons, my commute is 7 miles each way with very rare long trips that i have other cars to perform, once you take into account the 0% BIK, savings in tax of not having to take money out of the business in order to buy a car privately, 100% write down against Corp tax and 50% VAT reimburse it works out half the price to the business (which is ultimately what matters) of putting a £10k upgrade on my current car. It is an UTTER no brainer from a financial PoV. I don't care if i save a polar bear, i get a state of the art new car for the price of an out of warantee second hand car. Done.....
RossP said:
AnotherClarkey said:
While I agree that the Tesla model S is massive, the official UK pricing starts from £49,900, which seems rather good....
According to Auto Express it starts at £82,400 - that's a fair chunk of change difference. Where did you see £49,900?http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/model-s/65600/t...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/model-s/66809/t...
I think at that price it is on the verge of being a bargain.
Holywow said:
If you can charge it when you get there for the day then it'll work. With Rex.
Realistically the non Rex are for a commute of 1/2 the full range so a 50 mile round trip anything more and the range will be an issue in cold weather , heavy traffic or motorway.
Rex might sort that to a degree but you'll be filling up with petrol every other day.
DC charge of 30 mins would also help but doing that every day will kill the battery in no time.
Why would you need a 30 minute charge?Realistically the non Rex are for a commute of 1/2 the full range so a 50 mile round trip anything more and the range will be an issue in cold weather , heavy traffic or motorway.
Rex might sort that to a degree but you'll be filling up with petrol every other day.
DC charge of 30 mins would also help but doing that every day will kill the battery in no time.
Unless you spend 23 hours a day commuting
Charge overnight while sleeping or during the day when you are working
Holywow said:
If you can charge it when you get there for the day then it'll work. With Rex.
Realistically the non Rex are for a commute of 1/2 the full range so a 50 mile round trip anything more and the range will be an issue in cold weather , heavy traffic or motorway.
Rex might sort that to a degree but you'll be filling up with petrol every other day.
DC charge of 30 mins would also help but doing that every day will kill the battery in no time.
With that commute better off buying a 1 series diesel. IMO
Why only 50 miles?Realistically the non Rex are for a commute of 1/2 the full range so a 50 mile round trip anything more and the range will be an issue in cold weather , heavy traffic or motorway.
Rex might sort that to a degree but you'll be filling up with petrol every other day.
DC charge of 30 mins would also help but doing that every day will kill the battery in no time.
With that commute better off buying a 1 series diesel. IMO
If it can be charged at work I would think a 120 mile round trip would be fine.
Why will heavy traffic reduce the range significantly?
Holywow said:
Couple of reviews show i3 range struggles on motorways 90mile range drops to 60miles at motorway speeds.
I'm not sure if you saw my earlier post, but what you state simply isn't true, i did the test, myself, 2 days ago and you only get a 20% drop off in range at 80mph. And by the by, it was a fantastic m/way car, REALLY quiet, smooth and fast, thoroughly recommended.Sorry I didn't read your earlier post.
So 20% reduction at 80 mph that's range down from 90 to 72 miles also depends if climbing or descending on the route.
I guess you'd need to factor in the battery range reducing over a couple of years.
So in year 3 of ownership that could end up being 60 miles? That's where I was coming from. If your commute is 80 miles in 3 years where are you going to be with 252 days use at full range the battery is going to be at its limit soon.
So 20% reduction at 80 mph that's range down from 90 to 72 miles also depends if climbing or descending on the route.
I guess you'd need to factor in the battery range reducing over a couple of years.
So in year 3 of ownership that could end up being 60 miles? That's where I was coming from. If your commute is 80 miles in 3 years where are you going to be with 252 days use at full range the battery is going to be at its limit soon.
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