Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
Discussion
bimsb6 said:
We had a test drive in one yesterday , we liked it but from the prices of the 2nd hand ones on the lot they seem to bomb in value , it has put me off massively as we were looking to buy not lease .
Why would you buy new an emerging technology product? It’s like anything new and developing the first phases are worthless as new better versions come through.DSLiverpool said:
bimsb6 said:
We had a test drive in one yesterday , we liked it but from the prices of the 2nd hand ones on the lot they seem to bomb in value , it has put me off massively as we were looking to buy not lease .
Why would you buy new an emerging technology product? It’s like anything new and developing the first phases are worthless as new better versions come through.bimsb6 said:
DSLiverpool said:
bimsb6 said:
We had a test drive in one yesterday , we liked it but from the prices of the 2nd hand ones on the lot they seem to bomb in value , it has put me off massively as we were looking to buy not lease .
Why would you buy new an emerging technology product? It’s like anything new and developing the first phases are worthless as new better versions come through.DSLiverpool said:
bimsb6 said:
DSLiverpool said:
bimsb6 said:
We had a test drive in one yesterday , we liked it but from the prices of the 2nd hand ones on the lot they seem to bomb in value , it has put me off massively as we were looking to buy not lease .
Why would you buy new an emerging technology product? It’s like anything new and developing the first phases are worthless as new better versions come through.Edited by bimsb6 on Monday 22 January 16:43
Yep, I was tempted - as they were marketed so heavily and were popular with fleets there's plenty on the market now. Plus it was promptly given a much more attractive facelift.
Hard to tell how much further they'll fall but other company car favourites like the BMW 330e, Mercedes C350e, Golf GTE all came along after a couple of years of the Outlander PHEV launch so I'm not sure there's still a big glut of them to come on the market. PHEVs like this should stay in demand as they fit a lot of people's needs and it's in a SUV shape that's still popular.
Hard to tell how much further they'll fall but other company car favourites like the BMW 330e, Mercedes C350e, Golf GTE all came along after a couple of years of the Outlander PHEV launch so I'm not sure there's still a big glut of them to come on the market. PHEVs like this should stay in demand as they fit a lot of people's needs and it's in a SUV shape that's still popular.
Really interesting thread- thanks for some useful information. I'm looking at this as a company car- main requirements are large boot, SUV shape (high seat position), low BIK (40% tax payer), high mpg, automatic, not diesel (don't like for personal reasons, and I think the bottom is going to fall out of that market very soon), hybrid or PHEV, cost up to £40,000. Mainly for school run / trips to shops etc, not motorway, but the idea of being able to fill up quickly with petrol if on the motorway is appealing. I can't find anything else that quite fits the bill.
Niro / Kona boot too small.
Prius / Leaf- can't stand the shape, not really SUV shape.
NX300H- lovely but not rally a hybrid, more a large petrol with a small battery tacked on to give the same mpg as a diesel of the same size, tech is a bit dated, and the BIK is quite high.
X3/ Q5/ Tiguan- mainly diesels.
Ateca / Kodiak etc diesel or mpg not great.
i3- boot too small.
225 XE- hadn't come across this before, but the shape is more of an MPV / hatchback.
Volvo /Q7 / Jaguar/ Porsche- price out of range.
So any other recommendations?
Niro / Kona boot too small.
Prius / Leaf- can't stand the shape, not really SUV shape.
NX300H- lovely but not rally a hybrid, more a large petrol with a small battery tacked on to give the same mpg as a diesel of the same size, tech is a bit dated, and the BIK is quite high.
X3/ Q5/ Tiguan- mainly diesels.
Ateca / Kodiak etc diesel or mpg not great.
i3- boot too small.
225 XE- hadn't come across this before, but the shape is more of an MPV / hatchback.
Volvo /Q7 / Jaguar/ Porsche- price out of range.
So any other recommendations?
essayer said:
Bump for a second car idea around £12-14k - dog/bikes and maybe once twice a year a very long journey - how reliable are these now at 3-4 years old?
Sold mine after ~2 years (at 5 years old) , was a decent car, reliable, needed a handbrake fix afterwards. Still going fine. essayer said:
Bump for a second car idea around £12-14k - dog/bikes and maybe once twice a year a very long journey - how reliable are these now at 3-4 years old?
Apart from the charging flap being crap we've had no issues with ours. Battery capacity is holding up well too despite most of its time being spent as an EV and charging it daily.Id get a gx4 so it can preheat, not sure the 3 can. Something to bear in mind.
Had one for 2 years (2015-17),as a company car when BIK was 5%.
OK it was the first model and there were somethings they changed quickly on the second, but the main thing that got me was how temperature dependent mpg was.
When we got it, in September , temp 15C, a 25 mile round trip to the next town ( mostly 60mph, hilly and some town work), was managed almost on a full charge of electricity. Petrol worked out at 92mpg.
In January , 0 C, the petrol engine stayed in all the time and did 29mpg for the same trip.
As I said, later models had electric preheat, heated seats and steering wheel to partly overcome this.
Over the 2 years we averaged 35 mpg not taking electric costs into account.
Also should add it has a terrible CVT which makes it rev excessively on steep hills. Feels embarrassing as if you’re someone who doesn’t know how gears work.
OK it was the first model and there were somethings they changed quickly on the second, but the main thing that got me was how temperature dependent mpg was.
When we got it, in September , temp 15C, a 25 mile round trip to the next town ( mostly 60mph, hilly and some town work), was managed almost on a full charge of electricity. Petrol worked out at 92mpg.
In January , 0 C, the petrol engine stayed in all the time and did 29mpg for the same trip.
As I said, later models had electric preheat, heated seats and steering wheel to partly overcome this.
Over the 2 years we averaged 35 mpg not taking electric costs into account.
Also should add it has a terrible CVT which makes it rev excessively on steep hills. Feels embarrassing as if you’re someone who doesn’t know how gears work.
Edited by Cliffe60 on Friday 23 April 01:41
cootuk said:
How are the hybrid batteries holding up in terms of state of charge for older cars now they've been in use a while?
Ours threw a wobble last week as it had a low 12v battery. Apart from that (and the charging flap still being crap) it's all good. Traction battery is holding up fine, getting 20 miles or so out of it at the moment. About 35mpg when the battery is empty. We've just paid off the loan we took out for it now so own it outright, I'm planning I keeping it for at least the next 4 years, maybe more. The original plan was look at moving it on as I wasn't massively keen on keeping something quite as complex as it got old but it's proved pretty reliable and the current car market is mental, so it'll be staying.
Ours is a 2015 model BTW.
Edited by Merry on Saturday 22 January 08:18
Merry said:
cootuk said:
How are the hybrid batteries holding up in terms of state of charge for older cars now they've been in use a while?
Ours threw a wobble last week as it had a low 12v battery. Apart from that (and the charging flap still being crap) it's all good. Traction battery is holding up fine, getting 20 miles or so out of it at the moment. About 35mpg when the battery is empty. We've just paid off the loan we took out for it now so own it outright, I'm planning I keeping it for at least the next 4 years, maybe more. The original plan was look at moving it on as I wasn't massively keen on keeping something quite as complex as it got old but it's proved pretty reliable and the current car market is mental, so it'll be staying.
Ours is a 2015 model BTW.
Edited by Merry on Saturday 22 January 08:18
Hi,
Looking to buy a second hand one, budget of 10kish so will be well used.
Questions;
1. If charged should the battery show full on the dash or would a battery have lost some of it's ability to hold charge over time so only show say 90%?
2. I've seen pics of the interior and switches. When driving do you have to turn on energy collection if say going down a hill or is everything reclaim wise automated when the car can? Do you manually switch on electric?
3. Is there any servicing of the electrical drive or is servicing just the engine? What sort of price are services?
4. Are the petrol engines any good, do they have any issues to look out for such as belts/chains etc?
5. Are there any other key things to look for when buying?
6. On mileage, assume this is for every journey the car has made. Does the car record any difference between electric and petrol driving?
7. On a frosty day you don't turn on engine to defrost. How long does it take to warm up? Does it have heated screens?
Think that is all for now! Thanks in advance.
Looking to buy a second hand one, budget of 10kish so will be well used.
Questions;
1. If charged should the battery show full on the dash or would a battery have lost some of it's ability to hold charge over time so only show say 90%?
2. I've seen pics of the interior and switches. When driving do you have to turn on energy collection if say going down a hill or is everything reclaim wise automated when the car can? Do you manually switch on electric?
3. Is there any servicing of the electrical drive or is servicing just the engine? What sort of price are services?
4. Are the petrol engines any good, do they have any issues to look out for such as belts/chains etc?
5. Are there any other key things to look for when buying?
6. On mileage, assume this is for every journey the car has made. Does the car record any difference between electric and petrol driving?
7. On a frosty day you don't turn on engine to defrost. How long does it take to warm up? Does it have heated screens?
Think that is all for now! Thanks in advance.
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