Tesla Model 3 revealed

[Don]

Thankyou4calling said:

There are an awful lot on this thread who are talking from there own perspective and making statements as if it's the same for all.

There always are. Goodness knows why.

Even my Leaf with its limited range copes with 95% of my motoring. A Model S could do all of it. I charge my Leaf at home. If necessary I can charge it at work too. I have a 30 mile round trip commute that it deals with admirably. Many of our weekend jaunts are local so the Leaf does them too.

When I want to go further afield for fun I can take my TVR.

[dc2rr07]

Six Fiend said:

yayitsadiesel said:

unsprung said:

In the last 24 hours, Tesla have received 115,000 reservations, globally, for the Model 3. At $1000 per reservation, that's a cool £80,000,000.

No it isn't

Exchange rate $0.7:£1

115,000 X £700 = £80,500,000

Am I missing something?

That is what I worked it out to as well, so not sure what the comment 'No it isn't' was meant to refer to.

[98elise]

George111 said:

Mr Will said:

George111 said:

OK, I still can't recharge it where I work and if I live in an apartment in London I still can't recharge it at home. So it's still a dead duck with an even further reduced range from the previous Tesla cars. Surely with reduced performance you'd expect increased range . . . ?

Until you can recharge these cars at a couple of places in every town/village they're not going to catch on.

I could recharge one literally 6ft from my front door. I could also recharge it at work (Tesla Superchargers already in the carpark). The places that I visit that are both A) more than 100 miles away and B) would not allow me to do an overnight charge are virtually none-existent.

I'm not trying to claim that it is suitable for everyone, but central London apartment dwellers are only a small part of the population, and an even smaller percentage of the people who'd be looking to spend 35k on a car. This is a practical option for a significant number of people.

No it's not. The majority of car users in the UK do not have a drive, they park on the road and they can't charge a car on the road or have a drive/car parking area which is not directly next to the house. Electric charging is not feasible for the majority of people with the current technology, it doesn't work. Who wants to route their journey by supercharger charging points ? Nobody.

It does work for the few who can arrange their life to make it work or are willing to accept the limitations. That's great, I'm pleased for you But for me and millions of others, it's not feasible right now which is a shame because it's the only exciting and new technology on the horizon.

Nobody is saying EV's will suit everybody, but so many want to believe that simple differences are fundamental flaws.

Range and the ability to charge are simply not an issue for me, hence I will be in the market for one. If range and charging is an issue for some people, then they won't be buying one.

People buy cars based on a variety of factors, which is why we don't have just one shape car, with one drivetrain.

[culpz]

I really like these. Good price, well specced, great performance and they look lovely. The pessimist side of me still gets to me on any electric car though. I really want these to work and be a success. I just hope they can be used as planned relatively hassle free.

Range of 200 for instance. It's not brilliant to start with. Is it gonna be like getting a brand new diesel that should do a combined MPG of 70 but you get more like 50 realistically? So rather than 200 miles in these you get more like 130?

Charging points seem to have been addressed but will it be enough for demand? Charging access and time still seems to be trial and error and not really fully resolved for a mass amount of them on the road.

Also, as an ownership proposition, i don't think i'd pull the plug. Leasing one would make much more sense as battery life and maintenance would scare me. If they did some good lease deals they won't be able to make enough of them.

[tadaah]

Don said:

There always are. Goodness knows why.

Even my Leaf with its limited range copes with 95% of my motoring. A Model S could do all of it. I charge my Leaf at home. If necessary I can charge it at work too. I have a 30 mile round trip commute that it deals with admirably. Many of our weekend jaunts are local so the Leaf does them too.

When I want to go further afield for fun I can take my TVR.

I was considering one to mentally offset a 7.5 litre Cobra and 3.4 litre Boxster S. Seems rational to me

[EricE]

A co-worker put down a deposit for two Model 3s in store yesterday.

There was a "technical error" so the reservation went through twice so was charged for 2x2 cars. Four cars total. Tesla apologised for the error and said that they would refund him the extra two as soon as possible.
I've heard/read that this is not an isolated case, one person ordered one car and ended up with 5 reservations.

Maybe we should take the "130.000" number with a grain of salt.

[SuperVM]

culpz said:

...Range of 200 for instance. It's not brilliant to start with. Is it gonna be like getting a brand new diesel that should do a combined MPG of 70 but you get more like 50 realistically? So rather than 200 miles in these you get more like 130?....

I was under the impression that Tesla range figures were generally fairly realistic.

[-Z-]

smilo996 said:

Compared to the BMW i3 which really is revolutionary, Tesla cars are like 70's Caddy.

i3, revolutionary? Expensive, slow and crap range on pure electric power. Honestly the T3 wipes the floor with it in every way.

[Krikkit]

-Z- said:

smilo996 said:

Compared to the BMW i3 which really is revolutionary, Tesla cars are like 70's Caddy.

i3, revolutionary? Expensive, slow and crap range on pure electric power. Honestly the T3 wipes the floor with it in every way.

The hybrid i3 is also a very old idea, can't see how that was revolutionary at all.

ash73 said:

I'm more interested in Hydrogen cars, but I really like the design of the car itself both exterior and interior. I think they could go even further with the interior, e.g. fit a ultra-widescreen display that sits along the dash and maybe get rid of the centre console completely.

That would be very nice - a full-width TFT that acts as the instruments/controls etc.

[BigBen]

Going to place a deposit now. I have been running a Zoe for over a year now and no problems.

Ben

[McAndy]

OK, here goes:

• While the additonal factory(ies) to produce Superchargers may add pollution, what is the offset against not having to transport fuel to refuelling stations, never mind producing it?
• That's an aggressive price, well done;
• Still relatively new tech and I'm not an early adopter, but a good lease deal would pique my interest;
• Will the unproven tech prove reliable only in the short to medium term and not survive to the second hand car market?
• The glass house is too high and the car looks bulbous and top heavy to me. The two-tone render darkening the rails looks better as it takes some of the visual weight away from above the swage line.

Overall: interesting times ahead!

I have my own theory and fear for the second hand car market, but I might start a new thread for that over the weekend.

[unsprung]

Thankyou4calling said:

There are an awful lot on this thread who are talking from there own perspective and making statements as if it's the same for all.

I've been chuckling all morning.

Honestly, now. Tesla have thousands of engineers and analysts. They have tens of thousands of happy customers in market. And, yet, apparently... they've got it all wrong.

Should've run their maths though the experts in the PH forum, don't ya know.

Growing up, I knew a kid who insisted that he hated ice cream. Later in life there was a chap who claimed to hate the Beatles. That's what I think of when I read the nay-saying armchair engineers and analysts here on the forum.

[98elise]

To put todays sales figures in perspective BMW sell 400-500k 3 series a year worldwide. In 24hrs tesla have orders for more than a third of that, and I suspect will break 250k in the next 24hrs.

Bearing in mind that Tesla is still a relatively unknown brand with very little advertising thats just staggering.

[DoubleD]

jazzybee said:

DoubleD said:

jazzybee said:

I think it will be good, Deposit paid. I am guessing by now there will have been 250k orders.... I should have been in the dealership yesterday.

You think it will be good, but what if it isn't?
I'm amazed that people don't care if they drive ok before blindly putting down a deposit!
That Ellen woman is obviously very intelligent.

Wow - Strange response.

I've driven the Model S a number of times, it handles very well, and phenomenal acceleration. Being in the Tech business, I love the tech.... It would not be to replace my MX5 or Aston, or to bomb around the Nurburgring, more main day to day car - The whole proposition with the Supercharging included as standard (thats what I was waiting to hear last night) is compelling. The deposit is refundable - so, if something better comes up in the meantime, then, no problem. If I wait until the car is available for a test drive, then the wait would be a couple more years.

Not as strange as putting £1000 into a strangers bank account for the next few years. But hey it's your money.

[130R]

smilo996 said:

Compared to the BMW i3 which really is revolutionary, Tesla cars are like 70's Caddy.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about. The Model 3 is industry-leading in pretty much every way and the technology is far more impressive than the i3's.

[otolith]

DoubleD said:

Not as strange as putting £1000 into a strangers bank account for the next few years. But hey it's your money.

That could be earning as much as £40 a year, you know. A sum like that could definitely swing the decision.

[EricE]

98elise said:

To put todays sales figures in perspective BMW sell 400-500k 3 series a year worldwide. In 24hrs tesla have orders for more than a third of that, and I suspect will break 250k in the next 24hrs.

Bearing in mind that Tesla is still a relatively unknown brand with very little advertising thats just staggering.

I hope that this will inspire other car manufacturers to think and act more boldly.
The trainwreck that is VW won't be able to because they are losing billions to the ongoing lawsuits and BMW already has the relatively solid (in old car manufacturer terms) i-Series but there's plenty of room for other manufacturers to pick up the ball.

[DoubleD]

otolith said:

DoubleD said:

Not as strange as putting £1000 into a strangers bank account for the next few years. But hey it's your money.

That could be earning as much as £40 a year, you know. A sum like that could definitely swing the decision.

Like I said, it's up to the individual how they want to spend their own money.

[s3fella]

With demand like that, they will never deliver them. And then delivered cars will be up for sale for £50k

If they can deliver them, it is the end of electric car use as we know it. BY that I mean no one will be able to get them charged up, parked for free, currently free charge points will become chargeable, and the one or two charging points at work that companies put in to be seen to be good and green,will be fought for and the cause of huge rows.

As for the screen on the dash....that has to be a joke. staring across to the middle of the car to see your speed is like a mini from the 60s.

And the front end......like they designed a grill then did it in with bodyfiller is hilariously bad!

I like the roof though.

But I think we will have HS2 before they get the sort of numbers delivered to customers. And have them viable

[Ocellia]

Couldn't watch the launch vid....all those blissed out Murricans looking on like drugged sheep. It's a CAR, not the second coming of the Lawd! We seem to be the world of the SPECTACLE...even tickets for Comicon get queues around (several) blocks!
Still I suppose they need something to talk about, house prices and the economy are gone in US!

THe empire is crumbling despite this car.They really need to discover the Moped? (And anyway, will middle USA give up the Pick-up truck?)

Edited by Ocellia on Friday 1st April 14:25