Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
Discussion
I understand your excitement, but the phev is not a particularly exciting car to drive. Part of the attraction is it easy to just get in and drive without any fuss. If you do not look at the display then you would not necessarily be aware of the clever drivetrain as it drives much like any other SUV (but with lower sound levels).
jkh112 said:
I placed an order for one today. My daily commute should be manageable within the battery range and a bit of man maths has shown that the cost of the outlander (as a company car) will be the same as the petrol saved by not using the 911 every day. This way I get a comfortable family car and keep the Porsche for weekends and longer solo journeys.
Ha! Man maths, that is how I am looking at the imminent purchase of an EV. Cost me circa £280 pm to commute in the Porsche but I can get that down to £20 a month in the EV. Massive saving!jkh112 said:
I understand your excitement, but the phev is not a particularly exciting car to drive. Part of the attraction is it easy to just get in and drive without any fuss. If you do not look at the display then you would not necessarily be aware of the clever drivetrain as it drives much like any other SUV (but with lower sound levels).
As I see it this is essentially a free car if you have a company allowing you to have a fun car for weekends - its just a commuter / daily basherHaving just spent the vast majority of a week with a phev, I am quite impressed with it and will probably lease one to replace the wife's 2003 3.7l cherokee, it is likely to be cheap to run and 90% of the time she does less than 30miles a day. I like the techy aspect of it and had great fun trying to no use any petrol.
I am not sure how much petrol I did use as I forgot to brim when it was delivered to me, but when it arrived the total range on the trip computer was 177miles (it had about 10 miles of electric available at the time) and when I sent it back having covered 200 miles the range was 130 with no battery left.
its got a decent radio, pretty well shaped seats, loads of space, but once you get past the clever transmission it is just like any other suv as mentioned above. But it of a decent package and attractively priced - on the lease scheme I have access to, a GX4h will cost me about the same as a Dacia Duster access, (with no extras specced) thanks to the BIK but I imagine will be much cheaper to run and is loaded with toys
Oh and the air con isn't as effective at my outback.
I am not sure how much petrol I did use as I forgot to brim when it was delivered to me, but when it arrived the total range on the trip computer was 177miles (it had about 10 miles of electric available at the time) and when I sent it back having covered 200 miles the range was 130 with no battery left.
its got a decent radio, pretty well shaped seats, loads of space, but once you get past the clever transmission it is just like any other suv as mentioned above. But it of a decent package and attractively priced - on the lease scheme I have access to, a GX4h will cost me about the same as a Dacia Duster access, (with no extras specced) thanks to the BIK but I imagine will be much cheaper to run and is loaded with toys
Oh and the air con isn't as effective at my outback.
I had a test drive yesterday in a 4h and it was good, reset the trip and did about 80 mpg on the 30 min drive with some traffic, through the town and some dual carriageway.
I live 8 miles from where I work and will charge at work so should be free and as it will be a company car then just £66 cost. Will be ordering one this week.
I had a test drive in the Audi A3 Etron and it was really good and probably would prefer it but need something sooner as that's not out until January and I have a Disco 2 to replace. Hopefully the outlander will be OK in the snow...
Lease price on 4H 12k miles 3+35 was £411 + VAT per month, anyone find a better deal than that?
I live 8 miles from where I work and will charge at work so should be free and as it will be a company car then just £66 cost. Will be ordering one this week.
I had a test drive in the Audi A3 Etron and it was really good and probably would prefer it but need something sooner as that's not out until January and I have a Disco 2 to replace. Hopefully the outlander will be OK in the snow...
Lease price on 4H 12k miles 3+35 was £411 + VAT per month, anyone find a better deal than that?
jkh112 said:
Had my GX3h delivered today and first impressions are very good. It is a real contrast to my 911-tall, spacious, economical and quiet.
Only driven it a few miles from work so not had a chance to try it out properly.
Any further thoughts after a month's ownership? I'm still quite tempted. I have seen a couple on the road and they do look rather nice Only driven it a few miles from work so not had a chance to try it out properly.
I had a brief (20 mins or so) test drive in one last week.
It's a candidate for my next company car, it works out nearly £150 a month cheaper than my Passat when BIK is factored in, and depending how much I can use the electric ability I could be perhaps £40 to £60 a month up thanks to mileage rate being 16p for a 2.0 petrol!
Initial impressions were good. It's big, the boot is enormous, the back seats fold fully flat and there's tons of room inside. Excellent as a work machine and for family bus duties, although I intend to buy something older, faster and less practical for weekend use anyway. Interior isn't glamorous, but it's about as good as the Passat in terms of design and quality. Not luxurious, but pleasant and comfy.
The part I really, really liked was the gliding silently away on battery power. It's eerily smooth and I found it very relaxing to pootle about in. The car I drove only had a few miles of battery range left, so the engine was cutting in at times, surprisingly unobtrusively though. Didn't have much opportunity to play with the regenerative braking paddles, however the brakes seemed very sharp which I'm presuming is a result of the regeneration. Acceleration was pretty good. The instant torque and lack of gearchanges help of course, but I'd say it's about as quick as a typical 2L turbodiesel; in other words, as quick as you're likely to need and without any delay in response.
To keep the cost down I'd have to go for the more basic GX3 variant. This lacks the electric heater of the 4 so I expect it'll be a bit thirstier in winter, as the engine has to run for the heater to work!
I'm trying to organise a longer test drive via the co. car provider, as I think I really need at least a couple of days with it to get a feel for it's running costs on my typical work journeys.
It's a candidate for my next company car, it works out nearly £150 a month cheaper than my Passat when BIK is factored in, and depending how much I can use the electric ability I could be perhaps £40 to £60 a month up thanks to mileage rate being 16p for a 2.0 petrol!
Initial impressions were good. It's big, the boot is enormous, the back seats fold fully flat and there's tons of room inside. Excellent as a work machine and for family bus duties, although I intend to buy something older, faster and less practical for weekend use anyway. Interior isn't glamorous, but it's about as good as the Passat in terms of design and quality. Not luxurious, but pleasant and comfy.
The part I really, really liked was the gliding silently away on battery power. It's eerily smooth and I found it very relaxing to pootle about in. The car I drove only had a few miles of battery range left, so the engine was cutting in at times, surprisingly unobtrusively though. Didn't have much opportunity to play with the regenerative braking paddles, however the brakes seemed very sharp which I'm presuming is a result of the regeneration. Acceleration was pretty good. The instant torque and lack of gearchanges help of course, but I'd say it's about as quick as a typical 2L turbodiesel; in other words, as quick as you're likely to need and without any delay in response.
To keep the cost down I'd have to go for the more basic GX3 variant. This lacks the electric heater of the 4 so I expect it'll be a bit thirstier in winter, as the engine has to run for the heater to work!
I'm trying to organise a longer test drive via the co. car provider, as I think I really need at least a couple of days with it to get a feel for it's running costs on my typical work journeys.
I had a test drive yesterday in the GH3 (my neighbours has their GH4 out on an extended company car trial for his staff.)
I did the whole company car tax, 100% Y1 capital allowance, VEL, and fuel calculations based on 10,000 mile PA compared to continuing to flog my privately owned 2005 E class. I threw in some maintenance costs too and residuals over 3 years which is 49% according to the figures I saw. It assumed we could charge daily and most of my miles are local. Costs of £1 a day to charge were included. Options on GH3 and GH4, buy and lease:
Buy a G3: £110 PCM more than the E class (3 year cost £14,669)
Buy a G4: £139 PCM more than the E class (3 year cost £15,889)
Lease a G3 =£91 PCM more than the E class (3 year cost £13,950)
Lease a G4 (=£164 PCM) more than the E class (3 year cost £16,590)
If I could find somewhere offering some discount I may jump on a GH4 purchase during the week. Lead time is 6-8 weeks I am told.
I did the whole company car tax, 100% Y1 capital allowance, VEL, and fuel calculations based on 10,000 mile PA compared to continuing to flog my privately owned 2005 E class. I threw in some maintenance costs too and residuals over 3 years which is 49% according to the figures I saw. It assumed we could charge daily and most of my miles are local. Costs of £1 a day to charge were included. Options on GH3 and GH4, buy and lease:
Buy a G3: £110 PCM more than the E class (3 year cost £14,669)
Buy a G4: £139 PCM more than the E class (3 year cost £15,889)
Lease a G3 =£91 PCM more than the E class (3 year cost £13,950)
Lease a G4 (=£164 PCM) more than the E class (3 year cost £16,590)
If I could find somewhere offering some discount I may jump on a GH4 purchase during the week. Lead time is 6-8 weeks I am told.
Edited by Cogcog on Tuesday 19th August 08:27
I'm about to order the phev 4h. The dealers are saying there's no discount but I have a budget of £30k so was hoping for the 4H. I drove one too and it's pretty ok (vs my 5 series).
Having looked at the 5% tax and as a co car it's a no brainier vs ampera / a3 and Prius. The saving vs 520D is roughly £1500 NET pay per year in your pocket.
May not have the brand of Audi but it's certainly a lot of dice and size for the £££.
Having looked at the 5% tax and as a co car it's a no brainier vs ampera / a3 and Prius. The saving vs 520D is roughly £1500 NET pay per year in your pocket.
May not have the brand of Audi but it's certainly a lot of dice and size for the £££.
We almost bought the 4, had a good test drive and was very impressed, it's a nice refined big 4x4 and would be easy to live with for sure.
We got back to the showroom and looked through the brochure, so we decided on the 4 for the better headlamps, leather, sunroof, camera etc etc, nice spec........oh and we'll have the light leather interior please.......oh, only black? Your kidding us, it's a premium big 4x4 top model with leather, must come with a choice?
No......only in black! What is this.......?
Anywhoo, we bought a lovely black Audi A6 Hybrid with guess what......a beautiful light leather interior.
I told the salesman he only lost the sale because of the colour of the trim, he wasn't bothered.......good going Mitsu.
We got back to the showroom and looked through the brochure, so we decided on the 4 for the better headlamps, leather, sunroof, camera etc etc, nice spec........oh and we'll have the light leather interior please.......oh, only black? Your kidding us, it's a premium big 4x4 top model with leather, must come with a choice?
No......only in black! What is this.......?
Anywhoo, we bought a lovely black Audi A6 Hybrid with guess what......a beautiful light leather interior.
I told the salesman he only lost the sale because of the colour of the trim, he wasn't bothered.......good going Mitsu.
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