Charging without a driveway
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No ideas for a name said:
They do... via Telefonica using the 2/2.5G mobile network in the South. Arqiva using 400Mhz band in Scotland and the North.
Zigbee over 2.4GHz and 868MHz for the IHD.
No idea what that has to do with EVSE though.
They don't, they use their own closed communications systems, look it up.Zigbee over 2.4GHz and 868MHz for the IHD.
No idea what that has to do with EVSE though.
Tigger2050 said:
They don't, they use their own closed communications systems, look it up.
DCC publish a simple guidehttps://www.smartdcc.co.uk/our-smart-network/
No one says it is on a public internet.
Interesting though it is, nothing to do with EVSE.
This thread seems to have gone off-piste slightly. Anyway, an update....
Whilst trying to find out the council's official line (Nottinghamshire), I found out that they are running a pilot to install EVCCs (Electric Vehicle Cable Channels) in the local area. The is, as mentioned earlier, a channel between the house and the parking space, which would be ideal.
I've therefore applied. I'm pretty sure I'll hear nothing further, or it will be installed in 2031, but if I do I'll report back...
Whilst trying to find out the council's official line (Nottinghamshire), I found out that they are running a pilot to install EVCCs (Electric Vehicle Cable Channels) in the local area. The is, as mentioned earlier, a channel between the house and the parking space, which would be ideal.
I've therefore applied. I'm pretty sure I'll hear nothing further, or it will be installed in 2031, but if I do I'll report back...
Sarkmeister said:
This thread seems to have gone off-piste slightly. Anyway, an update....
Whilst trying to find out the council's official line (Nottinghamshire), I found out that they are running a pilot to install EVCCs (Electric Vehicle Cable Channels) in the local area. The is, as mentioned earlier, a channel between the house and the parking space, which would be ideal.
I've therefore applied. I'm pretty sure I'll hear nothing further, or it will be installed in 2031, but if I do I'll report back...
There's various pilot schemes around the country right now and it's good to show your support/interest. The results will all go to central government to help identify the most successful schemes which will at some point form the basis of a standardised nationwide solution.Whilst trying to find out the council's official line (Nottinghamshire), I found out that they are running a pilot to install EVCCs (Electric Vehicle Cable Channels) in the local area. The is, as mentioned earlier, a channel between the house and the parking space, which would be ideal.
I've therefore applied. I'm pretty sure I'll hear nothing further, or it will be installed in 2031, but if I do I'll report back...
There's also private companies demonstrating various types of on street public charging solutions for residents. It'll be years before approved solutions will be rubber stamped but it'll be years before a significant number of people in such homes own an EV. It'll all come together as things progress over time.
I think that if you are running a cable along the path to charge your car you're probably going to end up getting a court case for damages against you. Someone will trip over it or cut it or something. You also have the risk of someone breaking into your house to steal the expensive car as they'll know which house it is.
Personally you've done the right thing and apply for whatever changes need to be made by the council. No doubt it'll take a long time but it's the best solution. That or move to a home that has a drive.
Personally you've done the right thing and apply for whatever changes need to be made by the council. No doubt it'll take a long time but it's the best solution. That or move to a home that has a drive.
kambites said:
I don't see why this would be any worse than someone who keeps their car on their drive?
Depending on where the cable is run through the window will be open or letter box. If it's a window they could force it open and get in. At least if you have all your windows closed it's a little bit more secure. Ankh87 said:
kambites said:
I don't see why this would be any worse than someone who keeps their car on their drive?
Depending on where the cable is run through the window will be open or letter box. If it's a window they could force it open and get in. At least if you have all your windows closed it's a little bit more secure. Anyway, I imagine car thieves are generally very reluctant to steal an EV. They virtually all have an embedded sim to enable remote operation and that can be tracked.
If you were on a street of 100 cars would choose to steal one that you knew had a tracker fitted? I'd be interested to know for sure though so I'll go Google the stats...
Research done: https://electrek.co/2019/08/01/tesla-vehicles-stol...
Over 7 years just 115 Tesla's were stolen, 112 recovered either directly via tracking or the car shutting down. That's 97% retrieval rate.
The data focuses on Tesla because they've been around for longest but mine and to my knowledge virtually all other EV's have the same sort of tracking and remote shut down ability.
Admittedly I haven't researched in very much depth but when the stats show such miniscule numbers what's the point looking any deeper. Clearly EV's are not an easy target - even if someone leaves the keys for a thief to swipe, the problems said thief will soon encounter will come thick and fast.
One less thing to worry about in EV land then
Over 7 years just 115 Tesla's were stolen, 112 recovered either directly via tracking or the car shutting down. That's 97% retrieval rate.
The data focuses on Tesla because they've been around for longest but mine and to my knowledge virtually all other EV's have the same sort of tracking and remote shut down ability.
Admittedly I haven't researched in very much depth but when the stats show such miniscule numbers what's the point looking any deeper. Clearly EV's are not an easy target - even if someone leaves the keys for a thief to swipe, the problems said thief will soon encounter will come thick and fast.
One less thing to worry about in EV land then
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 2nd September 15:57
TheDeuce said:
Through the letter box!?
Anyway, I imagine car thieves are generally very reluctant to steal an EV. They virtually all have an embedded sim to enable remote operation and that can be tracked.
If you were on a street of 100 cars would choose to steal one that you knew had a tracker fitted? I'd be interested to know for sure though so I'll go Google the stats...
I've seen people running the charging cable through their letterboxes already. Granted they are charging the car on their driveway not the road. A lot seem to charge them through a small window until they have the charging point installed outside. My mate has a Mini EV as were charging it via the small window from his garage. Ironically the garage is so small it might as well be a shed.Anyway, I imagine car thieves are generally very reluctant to steal an EV. They virtually all have an embedded sim to enable remote operation and that can be tracked.
If you were on a street of 100 cars would choose to steal one that you knew had a tracker fitted? I'd be interested to know for sure though so I'll go Google the stats...
Tesla's can be stolen fairly easily with a laptop and a repeater, there's some YouTube videos showing it. Those stealing them might be just taking them for a joy ride or to commit another crime so only used for a brief time. If you're asleep and have the phone on silent then you won't know it's gone until you wake up.
Either way before we go off completely the government and councils need to find a way for us all to charge on street safely as running a bunch of cables along the path is an accident waiting to happen.
Ankh87 said:
I've seen people running the charging cable through their letterboxes already. Granted they are charging the car on their driveway not the road. A lot seem to charge them through a small window until they have the charging point installed outside. My mate has a Mini EV as were charging it via the small window from his garage. Ironically the garage is so small it might as well be a shed.
Tesla's can be stolen fairly easily with a laptop and a repeater, there's some YouTube videos showing it. Those stealing them might be just taking them for a joy ride or to commit another crime so only used for a brief time. If you're asleep and have the phone on silent then you won't know it's gone until you wake up.
Either way before we go off completely the government and councils need to find a way for us all to charge on street safely as running a bunch of cables along the path is an accident waiting to happen.
There's been a couple of Tesla security exploits found and then fixed, one of which could get the car moving... But in almost all cases the owner will have an alert within seconds and can then take action.Tesla's can be stolen fairly easily with a laptop and a repeater, there's some YouTube videos showing it. Those stealing them might be just taking them for a joy ride or to commit another crime so only used for a brief time. If you're asleep and have the phone on silent then you won't know it's gone until you wake up.
Either way before we go off completely the government and councils need to find a way for us all to charge on street safely as running a bunch of cables along the path is an accident waiting to happen.
The almost perfect recovery rate of the cars demonstrates that it's basically pointless stealing one. The former and any new exploits that can at least open the car allow the contents to be stolen I guess... But the same can be said of many newish cars regardless of EV or not.
Sarkmeister said:
This thread seems to have gone off-piste slightly. Anyway, an update....
Whilst trying to find out the council's official line (Nottinghamshire), I found out that they are running a pilot to install EVCCs (Electric Vehicle Cable Channels) in the local area. The is, as mentioned earlier, a channel between the house and the parking space, which would be ideal.
I've therefore applied. I'm pretty sure I'll hear nothing further, or it will be installed in 2031, but if I do I'll report back...
Is this then where the council charge you a yearly fee to 'rent' the parking space which would i imagine have your house number painted on the road? of course I expect you will still cone home after work to find another vehicle parked in said spotWhilst trying to find out the council's official line (Nottinghamshire), I found out that they are running a pilot to install EVCCs (Electric Vehicle Cable Channels) in the local area. The is, as mentioned earlier, a channel between the house and the parking space, which would be ideal.
I've therefore applied. I'm pretty sure I'll hear nothing further, or it will be installed in 2031, but if I do I'll report back...
For me, even though it is possible to do this, I could not charge an electric car from my home into a parking space, and a heck of a lot of people in things like flats and apartments blocks (the garbage way modern small homes are built now) could not.
never mind the fact that in places like that, the local populace is often less than decent so you leave it open to damage and issues, plus, why on earth should you do this, it is not that much cheaper at the moment to run an EV if at all and why should you have to do this to do so, there should either be enough local charging places or the cars themselves should be better developed to achieve better range or whatever it is.
If too many do this the local councils and government will do nothing to make enough charging areas.
never mind the fact that in places like that, the local populace is often less than decent so you leave it open to damage and issues, plus, why on earth should you do this, it is not that much cheaper at the moment to run an EV if at all and why should you have to do this to do so, there should either be enough local charging places or the cars themselves should be better developed to achieve better range or whatever it is.
If too many do this the local councils and government will do nothing to make enough charging areas.
Saleen836 said:
Is this then where the council charge you a yearly fee to 'rent' the parking space which would i imagine have your house number painted on the road? of course I expect you will still cone home after work to find another vehicle parked in said spot
The pilot states that having a "EVCC" does not guarantee you have access to the space outside your house. I therefore suggest I would still need to ensure i get the right space when I want to charge (I'm generally able to park outside 50% of the time so I cant see this being a problem)Tigger2050 said:
aestetix1 said:
Anything like that is going to be a rip off. It's Britain, after all.
The only fair way this will work is if a solution is found where people can charge at the rate of their home tariff. Otherwise it just becomes another tax on the less wealthy who can't afford off-road parking.
I admire how you think prices would be reduced, instead of increased, to even up.The only fair way this will work is if a solution is found where people can charge at the rate of their home tariff. Otherwise it just becomes another tax on the less wealthy who can't afford off-road parking.
Just think when a Chancellor comes out and says something like.......... "Why should people who are fortunate enough to be able to charge at home pay only 5% VAT, when people who have to necessarily charge elsewhere have to pay 20%? This is not domestic home use. Also people who are fortunate enough to be able to charge at home are generally in a much higher income bracket"
Also, the Government will be looking to recover the vast amount of lost fuel duties by taxation as well. Luckily it has enacted legislation that would easily allow it to do these things.
"On 30th June 2022 The Electric Vehicles (Smart Charge Points) Regulations come into force (1). All home installed electric vehicle chargers will be required to be separately metered and send this information to the Smart meter data communications network.
Potentially this legislation allows the electricity used for charging EVs to be charged and taxed at a higher rate than domestic electricity. The technology enacted also enables the rationing of electricity for EV charging because the government can decide when and if an EV can be charged, plus it also allows the EV battery to be drained into the grid if required."
Having the ability to throttle fast charging at peak periods is sensible, but would likely be driven by pricing. You chose to charge regardless of price, or tell your charger to wait for the best overnight rate and charge then.
It's also sensible to have EV's act as a battery bank for peak loads. Again driven by pricing you could fill up overnight, and sell back during peak.
If you're of the mindset that this is all some great conspiracy just charge your car from a 13A socket and don't leave it plugged in once it's full. Also unplug your telly from the mains so the government can't use it to read your mind
Saleen836 said:
How long before the 'no win no fee' mob get in on this and start to file claims for personal injury caused by a trip hazzard I wonder 
Charging an EV is deemed as 'use' or using the vehicle, much like you are using a car if you are refuelling it with petrol, even if you aren't physically driving it.TheDeuce said:
Research done: https://electrek.co/2019/08/01/tesla-vehicles-stol...
Over 7 years just 115 Tesla's were stolen, 112 recovered either directly via tracking or the car shutting down. That's 97% retrieval rate.
The data focuses on Tesla because they've been around for longest but mine and to my knowledge virtually all other EV's have the same sort of tracking and remote shut down ability.
Admittedly I haven't researched in very much depth but when the stats show such miniscule numbers what's the point looking any deeper. Clearly EV's are not an easy target - even if someone leaves the keys for a thief to swipe, the problems said thief will soon encounter will come thick and fast.
One less thing to worry about in EV land then
All good, until those hackers find a workaroundOver 7 years just 115 Tesla's were stolen, 112 recovered either directly via tracking or the car shutting down. That's 97% retrieval rate.
The data focuses on Tesla because they've been around for longest but mine and to my knowledge virtually all other EV's have the same sort of tracking and remote shut down ability.
Admittedly I haven't researched in very much depth but when the stats show such miniscule numbers what's the point looking any deeper. Clearly EV's are not an easy target - even if someone leaves the keys for a thief to swipe, the problems said thief will soon encounter will come thick and fast.
One less thing to worry about in EV land then
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 2nd September 15:57
MrBig said:
Fleckers said:
Just wait for the local “ yoofs “ to come by at night and unplug you car lol
EVs and PHEVs have been around for a decade now. I'm pretty impressed you have managed to avoid learning that the leads are locked into both the car and charger!RizzoTheRat said:
On a semi related note, I noticed the other day that the Model X charging near my house had a very neat little triangular flap that wasn't noticeably bigger than the charger plug, while most other cars tend to have a massive flap more like the one that covers a petrol cap. For roadside charging the big the flap looks pretty vulnerable to being clobbered by a pedestrian, cyclist or car mirror and snapped off. Is this much of a problem?
It's no bigger than a wing mirror to be honest, and the end of the cable protects it to an extent.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff