Discussion
W12GT said:
Anyone else noticed these have suddenly not become so affordable? I need a daily school run/station car but have noticed if I go the pcp route then monthlies have jumped to a starting point of 350ish a month whereas based on the same numbers a month ago they were 200ish - I didn’t take note of the details at the time so assume it’s the residuals hammering the numbers??
Actually WBAC now offering 10% more for my car (2 year old iPace) than they were 3 months ago.W12GT said:
Anyone else noticed these have suddenly not become so affordable? I need a daily school run/station car but have noticed if I go the pcp route then monthlies have jumped to a starting point of 350ish a month whereas based on the same numbers a month ago they were 200ish - I didn’t take note of the details at the time so assume it’s the residuals hammering the numbers??
Or used EV demand is soaring and they've realised they can now make money instead of unloading stock that was previously dropping in value.W12GT said:
Anyone else noticed these have suddenly not become so affordable? I need a daily school run/station car but have noticed if I go the pcp route then monthlies have jumped to a starting point of 350ish a month whereas based on the same numbers a month ago they were 200ish - I didn’t take note of the details at the time so assume it’s the residuals hammering the numbers??
There are still plenty of early S models under £20k on AT. PCP rates could be affected by anticipated residuals as you say, or by interest rates, or perhaps the cheaper, widely available cars pre chip crisis might be getting a bit old for a PCP now?These dealers really are real douchbags to deal with.
They don't seem to want to discuss any kind of deal, say £2k off the asking price and or another years warranty, the "price is the price" reject an offer and then in two cases you then see the online price is slashed to below what you have offered and they still don't get back to you!
Arghhhh!!
They don't seem to want to discuss any kind of deal, say £2k off the asking price and or another years warranty, the "price is the price" reject an offer and then in two cases you then see the online price is slashed to below what you have offered and they still don't get back to you!
Arghhhh!!
urquattroGus said:
These dealers really are real douchbags to deal with.
They don't seem to want to discuss any kind of deal, say £2k off the asking price and or another years warranty, the "price is the price" reject an offer and then in two cases you then see the online price is slashed to below what you have offered and they still don't get back to you!
Arghhhh!!
I'm sure they'd give you the time of day if you called them again and offered to pay more than they've now listed it for They don't seem to want to discuss any kind of deal, say £2k off the asking price and or another years warranty, the "price is the price" reject an offer and then in two cases you then see the online price is slashed to below what you have offered and they still don't get back to you!
Arghhhh!!
But yes, they're generally useless. I think JLR are on the fence about whether they even bother to maintain a dealer network in the UK, so it's possible there isn't much in the way of motivation or control of how the existing dealers operate.
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/exclusive-...
I can start to understand why those currently working for the dealers might not be all that interested in doing a great job.
urquattroGus said:
These dealers really are real douchbags to deal with.
They don't seem to want to discuss any kind of deal, say £2k off the asking price and or another years warranty, the "price is the price" reject an offer and then in two cases you then see the online price is slashed to below what you have offered and they still don't get back to you!
Arghhhh!!
JLR dealer or the car supermarket sorts and random dealers?They don't seem to want to discuss any kind of deal, say £2k off the asking price and or another years warranty, the "price is the price" reject an offer and then in two cases you then see the online price is slashed to below what you have offered and they still don't get back to you!
Arghhhh!!
giggity said:
urquattroGus said:
These dealers really are real douchbags to deal with.
They don't seem to want to discuss any kind of deal, say £2k off the asking price and or another years warranty, the "price is the price" reject an offer and then in two cases you then see the online price is slashed to below what you have offered and they still don't get back to you!
Arghhhh!!
JLR dealer or the car supermarket sorts and random dealers?They don't seem to want to discuss any kind of deal, say £2k off the asking price and or another years warranty, the "price is the price" reject an offer and then in two cases you then see the online price is slashed to below what you have offered and they still don't get back to you!
Arghhhh!!
Don't get me wrong, these dealers are more than 3-4 hours drive away so I can't go in and make something happen.
But when the north south price difference is so huge then I am often prepared to travel to source a car.
There are plenty to chose from so just trying to be patient, but we do need to source one quite soon.
Sometimes I think the prices are set by head office and the salesforce don't know whether they are coming or going.
OP here.
We've got an Ohme ePod and haven't been using the Jaguar API (couldnt get it to work and its been just fine without it!) and also haven't received this email either.
Under the impression the ePod is compatible with Octopus Intelligent irregardless of the car, so might still be okay, but not an ideal circumstance..
No idea what that means for us really!
We've got an Ohme ePod and haven't been using the Jaguar API (couldnt get it to work and its been just fine without it!) and also haven't received this email either.
Under the impression the ePod is compatible with Octopus Intelligent irregardless of the car, so might still be okay, but not an ideal circumstance..
No idea what that means for us really!
thecopster said:
Any ideas why JLR have done this? Is it intentional? You would like to think not and they will release a software fix to resolve!!
I’m getting kinda bored with all the effort in finding and keeping the best tariffs and solutions etc!
I think they've stopped any third party app getting access to their API. I’m getting kinda bored with all the effort in finding and keeping the best tariffs and solutions etc!
Liam_92 said:
OP here.
We've got an Ohme ePod and haven't been using the Jaguar API (couldnt get it to work and its been just fine without it!) and also haven't received this email either.
Under the impression the ePod is compatible with Octopus Intelligent irregardless of the car, so might still be okay, but not an ideal circumstance..
No idea what that means for us really!
If you're letting your supplier control your charger, that's fine, the car isn't involved it just has to accept electricity when the charger supplies it.We've got an Ohme ePod and haven't been using the Jaguar API (couldnt get it to work and its been just fine without it!) and also haven't received this email either.
Under the impression the ePod is compatible with Octopus Intelligent irregardless of the car, so might still be okay, but not an ideal circumstance..
No idea what that means for us really!
People who are having the supplier control the I-Pace to start and stop charging won't be able to do this any more.
thecopster said:
Any ideas why JLR have done this? Is it intentional? You would like to think not and they will release a software fix to resolve!!
Manufacturers such as JLR never designed their cars to have their charging remotely controlled by an electricity company. What happened is they created an interface for their own official app to use (car <-> Jaguar servers <-> your phone). Companies like OVO and Octopus worked out that they could also send commands to the Jaguar servers to tell a car to start charging when the grid has surplus electricity, thus benefiting everyone.However the servers weren't designed for this purpose. The issues may be
- unanticipated extra traffic on the Jaguar servers as millions of I-Paces are turned on and off and have their status checked
- possible security concerns if the interface gives out car location or allows it to be unlocked remotely
- Jaguar may want to partner with a specific company where they have some control over the process, rather than let anyone start smart charging 'their' cars.
- or simply that Jaguar have changed their interface for their own purposes, and this has inadvertently broken the electricity suppliers' programs, since Jaguar aren't supporting them.
In the short term, anyone counting on smart charging would be well advised to get a compatible charger rather than relying on the car
In the medium term I think EV manufacturers will offer officially supported mechanisms for achieving this
In the long run I expect the EU will mandate a common open standard to allow electricity companies to compete to supply cheap electricity.
DMZ said:
Why does a charger need to use the API of a car? It can control the charging itself. It’s nearly in the name.
It doesn't, the electricity supplier might.You're Octopus and you've just noticed that the spot price for electricity in the next hour is 1p/kWh. Now would be a great time to charge up all of your customers' EVs at 7.5p/kWh. Quick, start the chargers!
Only problem... not all chargers are connected to the internet and capable of accepting remote commands. You don't really want to ring all your customers in the middle of the night and ask them to turn on their chargers...
However, nearly all EVs come with an app which can turn charging on and off by telling the car to start or stop accepting charge. The app on your phone talks to the company's servers over the internet, which in turn talk to the EV over the mobile network. So for customers without compatible chargers, Octopus can send messages online to the car company's server 'as if' they come from the user's app on their mobile phone, telling each car to start charging. As long as the charger is plugged in, the car can decide to start accepting charge.
Surplus wind electricity is put to good use, Octopus make a big profit, the customer gets cheap 'fuel', everyone's happy.
Except for the manufacturer as noted above, hence the issue.
dmsims said:
JLR have deliberately blocked 3rd party charging
I assumed they'd just pulled their existing, very flaky API and were squirrelling away on a replacement.I can't think of a reason they should want to ban third party control over charging for the sake of it, they have nothing to gain do they?
Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff