2017 for baby Telsa. circa £30k
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Just in time when your i3 lease finishes you'll have this to look forward to....
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/87867/tesla-mod...
The real game changer. The running cost and purchase cost will tip ICE ownership on its head for the masses. Nice looking motor that. (Sketch). Think I better buy Telsa shares!
That and the announcement in a battery update for older roadsters also is a deal maker for a lot of people. Proves what I and many others have said. Don't worry about the battery tech. Is swappable for newer stuff coming later. The electric motors will last longer than ICE. Biggest worry for traditional makers is how will you shift units if things dont become unreliable and break down.
No stats on bhp, sorry kW, but id expect 300+ hp. Not reason why they wouldn't be able to stick the motor out of the model s in as they aren't that big. Seriously a 300hp practical salon that can do 95% of the journeys for 95% of people. For £30k.
With super charging stations for the long journey. This will be like when mobiles went from analogue to digital prices came down and suddenly between about 1997-1999 they were everywhere. I predict by 2020 every street (with private off street parking) will have a Tesla... if they can make them fast enough. That maybe why they are looking at UK for a research centre. Maybe they need to build some here too?
I've question. It's such an early announcement what is it they are getting ahead of? Usually this means a competitor has something they want to put people off and wait for their product instead. Or maybe elon just wants to say hey car makers, this is what we got coming. Use our free patents and get ready to compete, or become the next Blackberry.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/87867/tesla-mod...
The real game changer. The running cost and purchase cost will tip ICE ownership on its head for the masses. Nice looking motor that. (Sketch). Think I better buy Telsa shares!
That and the announcement in a battery update for older roadsters also is a deal maker for a lot of people. Proves what I and many others have said. Don't worry about the battery tech. Is swappable for newer stuff coming later. The electric motors will last longer than ICE. Biggest worry for traditional makers is how will you shift units if things dont become unreliable and break down.
No stats on bhp, sorry kW, but id expect 300+ hp. Not reason why they wouldn't be able to stick the motor out of the model s in as they aren't that big. Seriously a 300hp practical salon that can do 95% of the journeys for 95% of people. For £30k.
With super charging stations for the long journey. This will be like when mobiles went from analogue to digital prices came down and suddenly between about 1997-1999 they were everywhere. I predict by 2020 every street (with private off street parking) will have a Tesla... if they can make them fast enough. That maybe why they are looking at UK for a research centre. Maybe they need to build some here too?
I've question. It's such an early announcement what is it they are getting ahead of? Usually this means a competitor has something they want to put people off and wait for their product instead. Or maybe elon just wants to say hey car makers, this is what we got coming. Use our free patents and get ready to compete, or become the next Blackberry.
Edited by TransverseTight on Thursday 17th July 00:41
Edited by TransverseTight on Thursday 17th July 13:24
What a great looking car - that promises to be quick and plenty range for 95% + of trips people make in the UK.
Free charging too.
All traditional car makers must be worried this is a VHS to DVD blue ray game changer which makes most of the current production redundant.
And we were all worried about the end of oil...
Puts a lot of pressure of Govt and energy suppliers to build clean power stations and how is it going to be taxed?
Free charging too.
All traditional car makers must be worried this is a VHS to DVD blue ray game changer which makes most of the current production redundant.
And we were all worried about the end of oil...
Puts a lot of pressure of Govt and energy suppliers to build clean power stations and how is it going to be taxed?
Terminator X said:
You think we need to get out of our V8's now then TT 
TX.
Might be worth selling them while you still can. Say 2015 TX.
I got caught with the keys to a 330ci when the fuel price first peaked at about £1.35 the first time before the 2007 econony crash. Went from 10k to 4k in 2 years. Though people have seen to got used to the prices creeping up so not so hard to shift a guzzler.
You could sell short now. And then in 2017-18 pick up some bargain v8s.
buy 2 get 1 free. On the other hand, If it lives up to all the praise and hype this could be the electric car that ruins it for all of them.
If it is going to be so affordable, cheap to run that the sales are huge the Gov will have a massive reduction in the income from VED and fuel duty probably and as a result cause a huge change in taxation. ...
If it is going to be so affordable, cheap to run that the sales are huge the Gov will have a massive reduction in the income from VED and fuel duty probably and as a result cause a huge change in taxation. ...
Buzz84 said:
On the other hand, If it lives up to all the praise and hype this could be the electric car that ruins it for all of them.
If it is going to be so affordable, cheap to run that the sales are huge the Gov will have a massive reduction in the income from VED and fuel duty probably and as a result cause a huge change in taxation. ...
Not really - with 20 million conventionally powered cars on the road - even if they sold 100% of their production to the UK, for arguments sake (and to make the maths easier), lets say 200,000 cars a year, it will take 100 years to replace them all. I don't reckon we'll need a seismic shift in car taxation till they hit 10% of vehicles running on electric. OR about 2 million. That would take all of Telsals output for 10 years, most of which will go to USA anyway. If it is going to be so affordable, cheap to run that the sales are huge the Gov will have a massive reduction in the income from VED and fuel duty probably and as a result cause a huge change in taxation. ...
What will be interesting is what are BMW / Toyota / Nissan / GM and other players going to have by 2017?
Will BMW have an electric 3?
Will Nissan make something better looking than the Leaf, they have been been making public noises about doing something like a "Deltawing" but not a Deltawing because of legal action.
Toyota had the lead on hybrids but don't seem to have much pure EV stuff. They need to get stuff out via Lexus in a premium model. How about an electric Lexus-GT86? Possbile? Maybe not, but the designer was talking about not doing turbos but something else - KERS style. Drop the boxer engine gear box and exhaust and cooling systems, lose 300kg and see what you can get back in there. Alternatively leave the 86 alone and bring in a new Supra featuring the best tech available. Competitior to the i8, but with 80 miles range long enough for daily commutes, but still back up motor for longer trips and track days.
The Ampera is nice looking, but it's main problem it that it's expensive for a Vauxhall and again is an in-between car hybrid. People don't mind paying the leccy premium when it's a premium brand too. Bit like jewellery and smart phones.
Audi keep advertising their E-Tron but nothing solid that's an EV, just a quattto hybrid with split Electric rwd and diesel fwd. Can they get an i3 beater out in the form of a R8 / TT or S5 look alike? Rather than an A2-alike. Go the Telsa route and take on Telsa with an electric A8? That's where they are getting hurt currently, especially in the US, so it makes sense for them to start at the top, make electric cars a Premium, and then trickle the tech down the ranges.
Merc have the SLS-E. Even Clarkson liked that one. Admitted it's the future (but not the present due to range). Can they get something slightly less performance oriented, with an S Class electric drive and small, quiet and vibration free back up generator? IT would become the limo of choice for celebrieties and head honchos alike.
Ford in the UK - do they have anything electric or hybrid? I know they finally got around to stop start and auto shift boxes, but...? Maybe they know their market and will wait till EVs are buildable to sell at a profit in the mondeo / focus class where they can't really have a cost premium. I'm sure they have designs, but can't sell due to cost constraints. What's going to be needed is driver education on total cost of ownership. With the usual suspicion in any figures manufacturers produce.
I really do think Elon has announced this to really up the ante and push other companies to get their models on the forecourts. You can see from the web chatter it has created the demand is there. Very few people saying bah I wouldn't have one coz it's electric and too expensive. It's a proper £30k car, with adequate if not stellar range. Seing what they have done to the roadster is the best bit. There's are so many competing tech in the labs now, that by 2024 - 5 years after the Model III intro - batteries might, sorry probably will, have double the range for half the price.
Lastly why don't they cover the roof in thin film solar? I mean it makes a no brainer. Obviously it won't provide anywhere near enough power for a commute as they only managed about 200W/m2, so say max 0.5kW (in June), but that's still enough to run all the ancillaries and add a bit of top up when driving down the motorway. Even if it only add 10km to a 200 mile journey it's still 10km further between plug ins. Or more importantly - enough to leave the A/C running and keeping the car cool - whilst you shop and aren't on a plug in point, or in winter keeping it warm (oh hang on there's no sun!)
Edited by TransverseTight on Friday 18th July 12:52
AnotherClarkey said:
This is the first car that has ever tempted me to put down a deposit to get a place in the queue. In a way I hope it doesn't look like a shrunken Model S, I would like to see them come up with something fresh.
Agree it looks fantastic and it's history is a great bonus. Looks way better than an i3 and that is important if you are manufacturing a ground breaking car.Its an IS200 with big wheels ? looks nice but dated however the interior will be iffy as a £98k Model S is only average to be generous so a £30k one will be decidedly iffy with a fuzzy low definition screen and plastic leather.
But seriously they really need to up the interior game to get reps in them.
But seriously they really need to up the interior game to get reps in them.
AnotherClarkey said:
People do realise that the pictures are just Autoexpress fantasy renderings and do not come from Tesla? I think that the head of design at Tesla has already stated that they are not seeking to make something that just looks like a shrunken Model S.
I hope so. I'm more interested in the numbers. Obviously we'll have to wait and see what it looks like. Maybe they'll shock us an build something that looks like a cross between an i8, and delta wing, an RX8, and ends up looking like a 3rd Gen Ford Taurus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taurus_(third_ge...
Nice ;-)
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