RE: Aston Martin's Le Mans Mountain

RE: Aston Martin's Le Mans Mountain

Thursday 4th June 2009

Aston Martin's Le Mans Mountain

Rules aimed at levelling performance still favour diesels, say Brit underdogs


Aston Martin’s debut campaign in the LMP1 class at Le Mans this year may not be helped by rule changes aimed at blunting the performance advantage of diesel-powered rivals.

Aston Martin Racing is entering three Gulf-liveried LMP1 prototypes, powered by the same production-derived V12 engine that has given the Aston Martin DBR9 victory in the GT1 class at the 24 Hours for the last two years.

Rule changes pose challenges in the pits
Rule changes pose challenges in the pits
However, diesel-powered cars from Audi and Peugeot have recently dominated the LMP1 category – with Audi diesels winning the endurance classic for the past three years. A number of changes have been introduced to try to bring the performance of the petrol cars closer to their diesel equivalents but Aston Martin reckons it will still have a mountain to climb.

‘Diesel race engine technology is relatively new compared to petrol technology, so bigger steps in performance can be achieved making it easier to compensate for the changes imposed by the Automobile Club de l’Ouest,’ claims Aston in a press statement released yesterday.

With speeds at the circuit getting quicker year on year, the Automobile Club de l’Ouest – which organises the race – is also aiming to slow all the cars down, with a target lap time on the eight-mile track of around three and a half minutes.

The new diesel Audi R15
The new diesel Audi R15
The pit stop procedure has also been significantly altered in order to reduce tyre consumption and ensure that fewer mechanics are working in the busy pit lane. From this year, only two mechanics at any one time will be permitted to change tyres on the car using just one wheel gun – which can only take place once refuelling is complete. When the tyre changes are over, the wheel mechanics have to return inside the garage and only then can four more mechanics carry out any further maintenance that is required, such as topping up fluids. The car will not be allowed to leave its pit stand until all the mechanics are back inside the garage.

The result of these new rules is to make pit stops considerably longer, which puts greater emphasis on a strategic approach to the race and encourages teams to limit the use of tyres. A pit stop this year will take around 15 seconds more than it did last year, adding up to several minutes over the course of the race.

There will be a maximum noise limit of 112 decibels and post-race scrutineering will also become stricter, with harsh penalties for competitors missing any parts of bodywork or car structure at the finish.

Some even more far-reaching changes are set to be introduced for the Le Mans 24 Hours in 2010, allowing homologation of hybrid technology cars, encouraging further use of hybrid technology such as KERS and reducing carbon emissions.

Aston Martin Racing Team Principal George Howard-Chappell says: ‘The changes to the pit stop rules mean that the emphasis has switched to getting more out of a set of tyres, making it a good idea to do an extra stint on each set if you can. That obviously impacts on the whole tyre wear aspect of the car. In the end these new rules just provide another set of numbers to compute: they don’t make a fundamental difference to the unique challenge of the race.’

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leon9191

Original Poster:

752 posts

207 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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The diesel cars have to carry 30kg of ballast and the fuel filler nozzle has been restricted to a smaller size than the petrol cars, so I would imagine that they will use more fuel and more tyres so maybe the new pitting procedure will have a bigger impact on levelling the playing field in the race than it portrays on paper.

But only time will tell I guess.

pikey

7,704 posts

298 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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"There will be a maximum noise limit"

Eh? At Le Mans???



wab172uk

2,005 posts

241 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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It's getting like F1 now. Rule change after rule change.

Emsman

7,030 posts

204 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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pikey said:
"There will be a maximum noise limit"

Eh? At Le Mans???
Not in our campsite i hope!!

LukeBird

17,170 posts

223 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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pikey said:
"There will be a maximum noise limit"

Eh? At Le Mans???
Was thinking exactly the same...?!
I appreciate they can't be deafeningly loud, but that's rather self-restricted isn't it; the teams not wanting a pit full of deaf drivers and mechanics...! hehe

Nick M

3,628 posts

237 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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pikey said:
"There will be a maximum noise limit"

Eh? At Le Mans???
It's been in place for at least the last year, maybe two.

In fairness it's a pretty generous limit - something like 115db drive-by or something like that.

Rich.

253 posts

245 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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Nick M said:
pikey said:
"There will be a maximum noise limit"

Eh? At Le Mans???
It's been in place for at least the last year, maybe two.

In fairness it's a pretty generous limit - something like 115db drive-by or something like that.
near enough Nick - the Arnage guide tells me it's 112db 15m from the edge of track in qualifying and race

anonymous-user

68 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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Correct about the noise limit.... its decreased by a massive 1db this year, so you won;t even notice it, the vette's will still sound the same!

Yoshiwaan

322 posts

204 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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I think so long as there is a HP restriction then the diesels will always have the advantage due to the fact they generate so much more torque. 30kg of ballast won't make up the difference I would. say Plus don't they have to pit far less often due to fuel economy than the petrols? Or is that restriction about smaller fuel nozzles for the diesels so that they take much longer to refuel than the petrols each time?

jazzdevil

296 posts

228 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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pikey said:
"There will be a maximum noise limit"

Eh? At Le Mans???
chin up... it'll keep the mobile chicane that was the DeWalt Morgan away longer biggrin

Edited by jazzdevil on Thursday 4th June 12:52

350Matt

3,817 posts

293 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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The current problem with the ACO regs on diesels is that they haven't been worked out correctly.

To anyone watching the race its evident the diesels are hugely more powerful, like running a 3ltr petrol vs a 5 ltr petrol kind of difference.
the problem is once again down to the lack of understanding of torque and bhp by the officials or they want to skew things over to diesel for some reason.....

I would slap a smaller restrictor on the diesels

dandarez

13,611 posts

297 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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WHY oh why does PH keep referring to Aston Martin (Lola!) as the Brit 'underdogs'?

GINETTA are the Brit underdogs!

And you won't have to worry just about the glorious noise levels, you'll have to wear your shades to prevent being 'tango'ed' cool by the LMP1 factory Ginetta Zytec.



Sod Aston (Lola) - here's to the 5 Ginettas in the race!

mchammer89

3,127 posts

227 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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dandarez said:
WHY oh why does PH keep referring to Aston Martin (Lola!) as the Brit 'underdogs'?

GINETTA are the Brit underdogs!

And you won't have to worry just about the glorious noise levels, you'll have to wear your shades to prevent being 'tango'ed' cool by the LMP1 factory Ginetta Zytec.



Sod Aston (Lola) - here's to the 5 Ginettas in the race!
+1 Come on Ginetta!

Red Firecracker

5,307 posts

241 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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350Matt said:
I would slap a smaller restrictor on the diesels
Which they have done, it was part of the original (diesel specific) 2009 regs along with the reduction in turbo boost pressure. The ACO have since added the 30kg of ballast and reduced the fuel flow hole size from 38mm to 33mm, same as the petrol cars.

Taking the Spa race as an example (which isn't really a good marker due to the way the race panned out, however), the petrol engined cars have improved pace and the diesels have lost pace. However, outright pace is not going to automatically bring you top step of the podium.

thumbup here's to the Ginettas. You'd think the Lola-Aston Martins were the only British entry sometimes.

Edited by Red Firecracker on Thursday 4th June 15:18

Mark-C

6,448 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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And a Radical in LMP2 .... and RML running a Lola with a Mazda engine

LOGiK

1,084 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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Lamest thing ever. "SLOW DOWN RACING, LESS TYRES TO BE USED, LONGER PIT STOPS"

Great way to make people lose interest.

Chris-R

756 posts

201 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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mchammer89 said:
dandarez said:
WHY oh why does PH keep referring to Aston Martin (Lola!) as the Brit 'underdogs'?

GINETTA are the Brit underdogs!

And you won't have to worry just about the glorious noise levels, you'll have to wear your shades to prevent being 'tango'ed' cool by the LMP1 factory Ginetta Zytec.



Sod Aston (Lola) - here's to the 5 Ginettas in the race!
+1 Come on Ginetta!
Stay tuned to PH chaps - we've got some good Ginetta stuff coming!

Kraken

1,710 posts

214 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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LOGiK said:
Lamest thing ever. "SLOW DOWN RACING, LESS TYRES TO BE USED, LONGER PIT STOPS"

Great way to make people lose interest.
Stopping them going faster is not the same as slowing them down.

Edited by Kraken on Thursday 4th June 22:34

blueg33

40,686 posts

238 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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I am supporting the Ginettas Too. I always supported aston with the DBR9's

geeeman

1,311 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th June 2009
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Ginettas' entry makes things pretty interesting.. I'll be cheering them on!