EVs... no one wants them!
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superlightr said:
Interesting topic and comments. Especially as I'm picking up a RS6 performance today. Why one of those instead of an EV? come on it's a RS6. !! Why do you think.!
You enjoy high depreciation *and* high running costs, and don’t want to be without the sound of a V8 synthesised over the car stereo?survivalist said:
Evanivitch said:
survivalist said:
In reality these are fringe benefits.
Don’t get me wrong, great as a second car when you have something else for long trips. But no replacement for a decent range when you want to head off on holiday.
As for the drive, I think this is massively overstated by people who love the EV power delivery. Most people don’t care.
A 300+ mile day is quite easily done in a 64kWh car. I'm not sure how many people want to drive 5+ hours for holiday, and young families aren't so keen.Don’t get me wrong, great as a second car when you have something else for long trips. But no replacement for a decent range when you want to head off on holiday.
As for the drive, I think this is massively overstated by people who love the EV power delivery. Most people don’t care.
Tried stopping half way and staying in a hotel in the past. It certainly makes the journey feel more relaxed, but adds nothing to the experience. You stop at a hotel, have dinner, sleep and then head off after breakfast’. Much better to do it in one hit IMO.
The other factor in all of this is cruising speed. Once in Europe the speed limit is generally 130 kph and I’ve never been stopped if under 145kph.
EV range seems to dip off massively after 110kph, and that’s before considering the massive drag from the bikes and roof box we have strapped to the car for a 2 week family holiday.
survivalist said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
Almost certainly the exception and I’d say that an EV isn’t right for someone doing that with any regularity. But most people aren’t.
It’s not about regularity. If you do it twice a year you need a car capable of it. So that rules an EV out immediately. tamore said:
survivalist said:
Agreed. But in terms of the motorist who is buying an appliance that only gets you back to where we were 5/10 years ago - you can’t sell it as a real benefit in any terms other than cost.
oh i dunno. nice warm car, fully defrosted on a cold morning, nice cool car on a hot day. majority may virtually never have to charge other than home charger. quiet, smooth and generally quicker than like for like ICE. vehicle. and if you are that way of thinking, you're doing something about environmental impact.survivalist said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
Almost certainly the exception and I’d say that an EV isn’t right for someone doing that with any regularity. But most people aren’t.
It’s not about regularity. If you do it twice a year you need a car capable of it. So that rules an EV out immediately. Buying a car for something you do twice a year is stupid. Buy one for the thing you do the other 363 days.
Dave200 said:
survivalist said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
Almost certainly the exception and I’d say that an EV isn’t right for someone doing that with any regularity. But most people aren’t.
It’s not about regularity. If you do it twice a year you need a car capable of it. So that rules an EV out immediately. However similar trips (back from the South of France, Italy and Spain) over slightly less distances, I’ve encountered some serious delays that adds to the fatigue. I would limit the distance to 500 miles per day and stay at some of Europes lovely hotels with a nice pool (great after a drive) and a decent restaurant in the locality.
There is a serious health and safety risk in driving too much in one day.
KingGary said:
The technology for automatic, unattended heating and cooling has existed since the late 90s. E.g 2005 Land Rover Discovery 3 had timed climate control with an automatic fuel burning heater so you get in the car on a cold morning and it’s already defrosted with a warm engine.
And how many cars has it actually appeared on?survivalist said:
It’s not about regularity. If you do it twice a year you need a car capable of it. So that rules an EV out immediately.
fair enough. in the same position i decided it was an inconvenience (very small one) worth the benefits for the rest of the year. absolutely the correct decision given 2 years of ownership. in my opinion, obviously/
KingGary said:
tamore said:
survivalist said:
Agreed. But in terms of the motorist who is buying an appliance that only gets you back to where we were 5/10 years ago - you can’t sell it as a real benefit in any terms other than cost.
oh i dunno. nice warm car, fully defrosted on a cold morning, nice cool car on a hot day. majority may virtually never have to charge other than home charger. quiet, smooth and generally quicker than like for like ICE. vehicle. and if you are that way of thinking, you're doing something about environmental impact.In that sense, EVs are quite democratising, bringing tech that was basically only on a tiny fraction of (usually) expensive cars to the masses.
Chasing Potatoes said:
KingGary said:
The technology for automatic, unattended heating and cooling has existed since the late 90s. E.g 2005 Land Rover Discovery 3 had timed climate control with an automatic fuel burning heater so you get in the car on a cold morning and it’s already defrosted with a warm engine.
And how many cars has it actually appeared on?loudlashadjuster said:
Yes, yes, but it's basically a zero-cost option on EVs, and therefore far more prevalent, not to mention more efficient, quieter etc.
In that sense, EVs are quite democratising, bringing tech that was basically only on a tiny fraction of (usually) expensive cars to the masses.
It was a Land Rover not a Bentley. Much goal post shifting going on here. The new technology claimed isn’t new at all, it’s been around for years.In that sense, EVs are quite democratising, bringing tech that was basically only on a tiny fraction of (usually) expensive cars to the masses.
KingGary said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Yes, yes, but it's basically a zero-cost option on EVs, and therefore far more prevalent, not to mention more efficient, quieter etc.
In that sense, EVs are quite democratising, bringing tech that was basically only on a tiny fraction of (usually) expensive cars to the masses.
It was a Land Rover not a Bentley. Much goal post shifting going on here. The new technology claimed isn’t new at all, it’s been around for years.In that sense, EVs are quite democratising, bringing tech that was basically only on a tiny fraction of (usually) expensive cars to the masses.
of course this tech has been around for a long time. cos of canada, scandinavia, etc.
KingGary said:
The technology for automatic, unattended heating and cooling has existed since the late 90s. E.g 2005 Land Rover Discovery 3 had timed climate control with an automatic fuel burning heater so you get in the car on a cold morning and it’s already defrosted with a warm engine.
Land Rover have definitely nailed the feature of your car getting nice and toasty while unattended. They just need to work on limiting the temperature, the flames and passing it from vehicle to vehiclesurvivalist said:
tamore said:
survivalist said:
Agreed. But in terms of the motorist who is buying an appliance that only gets you back to where we were 5/10 years ago - you can’t sell it as a real benefit in any terms other than cost.
oh i dunno. nice warm car, fully defrosted on a cold morning, nice cool car on a hot day. majority may virtually never have to charge other than home charger. quiet, smooth and generally quicker than like for like ICE. vehicle. and if you are that way of thinking, you're doing something about environmental impact.Don’t get me wrong, great as a second car when you have something else for long trips. But no replacement for a decent range when you want to head off on holiday.
As for the drive, I think this is massively overstated by people who love the EV power delivery. Most people don’t care.
KingGary said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Yes, yes, but it's basically a zero-cost option on EVs, and therefore far more prevalent, not to mention more efficient, quieter etc.
In that sense, EVs are quite democratising, bringing tech that was basically only on a tiny fraction of (usually) expensive cars to the masses.
It was a Land Rover not a Bentley. Much goal post shifting going on here. The new technology claimed isn’t new at all, it’s been around for years.In that sense, EVs are quite democratising, bringing tech that was basically only on a tiny fraction of (usually) expensive cars to the masses.
There are about 195,000 cars for sale on PH today. Filtering on different variants of 'preheater, pre-heater, auxilliary heater, webasto heater' etc. might get you a few hundred cars, some of which false positives (a Radical?!), many are EVs, and almost all the rest were decidedly premium when new.
It was a fringe thing on a tiny sliver of cars. That is changing.
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