EVs... no one wants them!

[JNW1]

LowTread said:

JNW1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

LowTread said:

Find me another 450bhp car with 3yr+ drivetrain warranty that costs 2.5p/mile in fuel that i can pay 300/month to buy, tax, service and insure, that'll i'll own outright in 3yrs

I see that and raise you a 585hp car that costs 2.6p/ mile to run and comes with a 7 year (whole car) warranty…

Which you own outright after 3 years having paid only £300/month? Without a very substantial deposit that has the whiff of complete and utter BS to me but in the unlikely event it's not please point me in the direction of the relevant vehicle(s)!

I put £10k into it from my prev car. £9k borrowed at 0% on a credit card (plus 3% fee). 3 yrs at about £250/m and it's paid for

Ok but I don't think you can just ignore the £10k deposit - over 3 years the car will have cost you £19k to own outright which is over £500/month for 36 months. And (IMO) that's still very reasonable for the car you've got - I just think it's misleading to quote only the part you financed when you're telling people what it cost you!

[TikTak]

Essarell said:

740EVTORQUES said:

KIA EV6 GT, I actually didn’t comment on finance as I bought it with cash, I’m old fashioned like that. I plan to keep it for at least 7 years (warranty) by which time it will have saved me around £35k in petrol so I’m happy with that.

Just had a look on AT, that’s one properly quick car…..if maintenance / reliability / running costs are in line with other EV then it looks like a no brainer (at the one year old price point)…….not bad looking either……..

Really like them, and with the KWV3 coilovers looks great. Would certainly be the EV of choice if I were to go that route. Also the reviews for Kia customer support are ... well, shocking.

Just doesn't suit the life at this point unfortunately.

Maybe they will in the future when I can get one for £10k

[LowTread]

JNW1 said:

LowTread said:

JNW1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

LowTread said:

Find me another 450bhp car with 3yr+ drivetrain warranty that costs 2.5p/mile in fuel that i can pay 300/month to buy, tax, service and insure, that'll i'll own outright in 3yrs

I see that and raise you a 585hp car that costs 2.6p/ mile to run and comes with a 7 year (whole car) warranty…

Which you own outright after 3 years having paid only £300/month? Without a very substantial deposit that has the whiff of complete and utter BS to me but in the unlikely event it's not please point me in the direction of the relevant vehicle(s)!

I put £10k into it from my prev car. £9k borrowed at 0% on a credit card (plus 3% fee). 3 yrs at about £250/m and it's paid for

Ok but I don't think you can just ignore the £10k deposit - over 3 years the car will have cost you £19k to own outright which is over £500/month for 36 months. And (IMO) that's still very reasonable for the car you've got - I just think it's misleading to quote only the part you financed when you're telling people what it cost you!

True.

I should have put it in "lease speak".

£250/m on a 40+36.

Better?

[Downward]

CivicDuties said:

Find me an Approved Used 2022 reg VW Golf for under £13k:

https://www.marshall.co.uk/used/17366160-nissan-le...

Range, schmange. For someone who hardly ever drives long distance, why would you want to pay more?

I'm on my second Leaf. Had a 24kwh for three years, then a 30kwh for three years, going to upgrade to a 40kwh shortly I think. Reliability issues? Zero. Maintenance costs? Zero. Service costs? Minimal. Fuel costs? Laughably small. Depreciation? No worse than anything else I've ever owned, file under "st happens". Range anxiety? Never experienced once. For my daily use around town, school runs, commuting, shopping, why would I want a smelly, noisy ICE. A Leaf is perfect for that.

Yeah, I have another ICE estate car for long drives. 3 Driving licenses in the family, soon to be 4, so we're gonna have at least 2 cars on the drive. But it makes absolutely no sense to have anything other than an EV for most of the miles we do.

So yeah, in reply to the thread title, someone wants them. Me.

If it were me I’d look at the bigger battery model with more power.
But I picked up a Tekna with 10k miles on it for £13k.

[Downward]

Essarell said:

740EVTORQUES said:

KIA EV6 GT, I actually didn’t comment on finance as I bought it with cash, I’m old fashioned like that. I plan to keep it for at least 7 years (warranty) by which time it will have saved me around £35k in petrol so I’m happy with that.

Just had a look on AT, that’s one properly quick car…..if maintenance / reliability / running costs are in line with other EV then it looks like a no brainer (at the one year old price point)…….not bad looking either……..

3.5 seconds to 60. Supercar territory. Cheaper than a Audi S3 too

[JNW1]

LowTread said:

JNW1 said:

LowTread said:

JNW1 said:

740EVTORQUES said:

LowTread said:

Find me another 450bhp car with 3yr+ drivetrain warranty that costs 2.5p/mile in fuel that i can pay 300/month to buy, tax, service and insure, that'll i'll own outright in 3yrs

I see that and raise you a 585hp car that costs 2.6p/ mile to run and comes with a 7 year (whole car) warranty…

Which you own outright after 3 years having paid only £300/month? Without a very substantial deposit that has the whiff of complete and utter BS to me but in the unlikely event it's not please point me in the direction of the relevant vehicle(s)!

I put £10k into it from my prev car. £9k borrowed at 0% on a credit card (plus 3% fee). 3 yrs at about £250/m and it's paid for

Ok but I don't think you can just ignore the £10k deposit - over 3 years the car will have cost you £19k to own outright which is over £500/month for 36 months. And (IMO) that's still very reasonable for the car you've got - I just think it's misleading to quote only the part you financed when you're telling people what it cost you!

True.

I should have put it in "lease speak".

£250/m on a 40+36.

Better?

[Mikebentley]

But LowTread is purchasing not leasing so in 3 yrs he will have an asset with some equity. Maybe 8,9 or 10k so it really will cost about £300 pm .

[borcy]

https://archive.ph/vqac6

Not sure if this has been put up already, it's a DT article about sales in Europe of EVs.

[tamore]

borcy said:

https://archive.ph/vqac6

Not sure if this has been put up already, it's a DT article about sales in Europe of EVs.

i'm going to have a stab in the dark that you didn't post similar when EV sales were on the up?

it's like the uptake of any new concept/ technology, never a smooth curve. this one is way more complicated than normal too.

Edited by tamore on Thursday 18th April 20:24

[trumpton7291]

borcy said:

https://archive.ph/vqac6

Not sure if this has been put up already, it's a DT article about sales in Europe of EVs.

Lol, no doubt the EV cultists will again find some way to deny reality. More bullst on this thread than the car salesman one…

[M4cruiser]

740EVTORQUES said:

It was the air con compressor not the heater that failed, it’s a very different thing.

The additional problem with an EV is that the pipes also run through the battery and so you have to drop and open the battery case.

It’s no different to ICE cars though and is more an issue of education and more availability of independent garages who can fix this sort of thing more cheaply.

^ You say it's different to an ICE car, then you say it's no different.
It's clearly different. If the air-con failed in my car I'd just leave it off and use the car without it. Can't do that on an EV it seems.

[borcy]

tamore said:

borcy said:

https://archive.ph/vqac6

Not sure if this has been put up already, it's a DT article about sales in Europe of EVs.

i'm going to have a stab in the dark that you didn't post similar when EV sales were on the up?

it's like the uptake of any new concept/ technology, never a smooth curve. this one is way more complicated than normal too.

Edited by tamore on Thursday 18th April 20:24

Sales are up in some countries.

[M4cruiser]

confused_buyer said:

An old used Leaf can be surprisingly useful in the right circumstances. My main gripe with them is they are so miserable to drive.

The problem with an old Leaf (i.e. say with a range of 50 miles ish) is that when you need more than that it's a pain. Chademo rapid chargers are not in huge numbers around here. I looked around a Motorway service station I was at yesterday. There are 11 chargers, 9 CCS, 1 type-2 and just 1 Chademo.
If the Chademo is in use or (worse) broken then you're stuck with the Type-2, which on most Leafs is 15 amp (3.3kw) which charges at 15 mph.
So you drive it for 45 minutes, then charge it for 3 hours, and repeat.
Even with a 6.6 kw charger, it takes 90 minutes to add 50 miles, then another 45 minute drive.

[trumpton7291]

tamore said:

borcy said:

https://archive.ph/vqac6

Not sure if this has been put up already, it's a DT article about sales in Europe of EVs.

i'm going to have a stab in the dark that you didn't post similar when EV sales were on the up?

it's like the uptake of any new concept/ technologygy, never a smooth curve. this one is way more complicated than normal too.

I don’t think most prefer ICE because we’re some stuck in the past unwoke Dinosaurs. Most people prefer ICE because currently it’s a far better technology than EVs in terms of day to day useability and who would ever want to take a backward step? Forcing people into inferior products is never going to end well. Let the market decide, if EVs are superior people will buy them. But that’s not currently the reality despite the continual protestations of the brainwashed cultist EV loons.

[M4cruiser]

I'm just thinking that if Tesla make a model 2 and if it's about £30K and if it's about Golf-sized then they could sell millions of them.

[Chasing Potatoes]

trumpton7291 said:

brainwashed cultist EV loons.

Is there something wrong with you?

[romft123]

Chasing Potatoes said:

trumpton7291 said:

brainwashed cultist EV loons.

Is there something wrong with you?

+1

[p1stonhead]

trumpton7291 said:

I don’t think most prefer ICE because we’re some stuck in the past unwoke Dinosaurs. Most people prefer ICE because currently it’s a far better technology than EVs in terms of day to day useability and who would ever want to take a backward step? Forcing people into inferior products is never going to end well. Let the market decide, if EVs are superior people will buy them. But that’s not currently the reality despite the continual protestations of the brainwashed cultist EV loons.

If you can charge at home and don’t do more than 200 miles a day, like most don’t, in what way is ICE better technology?

[LowTread]

trumpton7291 said:

Lol, no doubt the EV cultists will again find some way to deny reality. More bullst on this thread than the car salesman one…

I've never posted anything other than facts backed up by genuine observed real world experience, and i will continue to do so.

When i post in other threads about motorbikes, my racing experience, trackdays i do the same.

[tamore]

trumpton7291 said:

I don’t think most prefer ICE because we’re some stuck in the past unwoke Dinosaurs. Most people prefer ICE because currently it’s a far better technology than EVs in terms of day to day useability and who would ever want to take a backward step? Forcing people into inferior products is never going to end well. Let the market decide, if EVs are superior people will buy them. But that’s not currently the reality despite the continual protestations of the brainwashed cultist EV loons.

nobody's being forced to do anything at the moment sausage. lots of genuine reasons not to get an EV at the moment, but those reasons will be knocked over one by one pretty quickly. only thing left will be 'just don't want one'.