EVs... no one wants them!
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Dave200 said:
Ankh87 said:
Dave200 said:
But why is this a problem now? Not everyone needs to own an EV now. In fact not everyone needs to own an EV in 2035 either. The 56% of people who can charge at home should be fine now, and we've got plenty of time to figure out which of the many solutions for public charging can be scaled to meet demand over the next 11 years.
Because the Government couldn't organise this if they wanted to. 11 years and there's been tiny steps since the 2030 date was set. Just think back to 2013. Were there any chargers for the handful of EV’s around ?
survivalist said:
Evanivitch said:
survivalist said:
In reality these are fringe benefits.
Don’t get me wrong, great as a second car when you have something else for long trips. But no replacement for a decent range when you want to head off on holiday.
As for the drive, I think this is massively overstated by people who love the EV power delivery. Most people don’t care.
A 300+ mile day is quite easily done in a 64kWh car. I'm not sure how many people want to drive 5+ hours for holiday, and young families aren't so keen.Don’t get me wrong, great as a second car when you have something else for long trips. But no replacement for a decent range when you want to head off on holiday.
As for the drive, I think this is massively overstated by people who love the EV power delivery. Most people don’t care.
Tried stopping half way and staying in a hotel in the past. It certainly makes the journey feel more relaxed, but adds nothing to the experience. You stop at a hotel, have dinner, sleep and then head off after breakfast’. Much better to do it in one hit IMO.
The other factor in all of this is cruising speed. Once in Europe the speed limit is generally 130 kph and I’ve never been stopped if under 145kph.
EV range seems to dip off massively after 110kph, and that’s before considering the massive drag from the bikes and roof box we have strapped to the car for a 2 week family holiday.
Edited by Downward on Monday 15th April 22:52
Sheepshanks said:
Evanivitch said:
tupak798 said:
The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf
21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..
I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..
Evanivitch said:
Sheepshanks said:
Evanivitch said:
tupak798 said:
The p11d on a Vauxhall is over £40k? Wtaf
21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..
I expect within 12 months they'll be available for £30k on discounts.21% would usually be good but the p11d value is clearly ludicrous..
Does anyone know if the Peugeot e-208 is any good? Keep seeing them about and thinking "That's a fairly attractive looking normal size hatchback that would fit into my life well as a run-around". If we could have more EVs which were that size and appearance, I think the take up amongst the masses would increase, especially as the range issues improve with each generation. Spoken by someone who isn't particularly pro or anti EV, but who doesn't like large SUV type vehicles and is wary about jumping too soon, due to the pace of technological change.
I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
Pistonheadsdicoverer said:
Essarell said:
Just to confirm, it is a PCP rather than an outright sale. You still have the balloon payment at the end right?Dave200 said:
I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
My 2.1 ton car costs 3p/ mile in ‘fuel’, my 1.5 ton car costs 30p/ milehttps://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
Go figure?
vikingaero said:
Pistonheadsdicoverer said:
Is this a 5,000 mile pa contract. Fine if you live in London, but I thought the whole point of having a car was to travel and not just look good in one! Although that said I guess in London the savings from having cheaper parking, congestion charge savings etc could probably also make up a chunk of savings.
740EVTORQUES said:
Dave200 said:
I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
My 2.1 ton car costs 3p/ mile in ‘fuel’, my 1.5 ton car costs 30p/ milehttps://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
Go figure?
Dave200 said:
I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well? https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
T_S_M said:
Dave200 said:
I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well? https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
loudlashadjuster said:
T_S_M said:
Dave200 said:
I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well? https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
soxboy said:
Already at £34k for delivery miles. That P11d value is pretty irrelevant other than reinforcing opinions that EVs are overpriced.
The P11D value is only irrelevant because BIK is at the moment artificially low. On, say, a 4 year lease there is no telling what will happen tax wise but it is fair to say BIK will not stay at 2% forever. Remember it has already gone up from 0%.Also, personally, I'd be bloody annoyed at having to pay a premium road tax amount because some lunatic in Vauxhall marketing has set a fantasy price no one will ever pay.
Dave200 said:
loudlashadjuster said:
T_S_M said:
Dave200 said:
I see that someone has put a quid in Evo Harry M on twitter again. He's ranting on about a 2.8 tonne family EV, while he presumably sees no problem in owning a 2.4 tonne family Range Rover. He's getting very clickbaity these days.
https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
The same person who was singing the praises of the 2.7 tonne Defender 130 as well? https://twitter.com/rivergecko/status/177994792062...
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