EVs... no one wants them!

[KingGary]

ChocolateFrog said:

KingGary said:

tamore said:

KingGary said:

What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.

well at least you've confirmed this as a troll account.

Why?

Because you're spouting troll baiting nonsense and no one is actually that ignorant.

Ergo you're doing it on purpose.

What, disagreeing? I could label half the people on this thread as “trolls” using that logic, for example, the chap complaining about getting wet when being forced to use a filling station or denial that petrol/diesel cars can travel further than electric ones with today’s battery technology. I can see the appeal of EVs for some people, but I can alto recognise they are inferior too for others. Just being objective, sorry if you don’t recognise that, I’ll refrain from swapping insults.

[Ankh87]

To for the first time in 12 days I went to the fuel station. I were trembling at the fact that I had to touch a cold pump with my bare hands. The anxiety of having to spend a few minutes filling up while I stood there. The time and effort it took me to turn right, instead of driving straight forward. The non-existent que to wait for a pump and pay. Thank the Lord I don't need to visit that place again for another 12 days at least.


Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.

EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.

[Muzzer79]

I have no issue with complaints about cost, not liking Teslas (I don't particularly either) or the fact that an EV might not suit you

What I have an issue with is the blanket assumption that EVs aren't fit for purpose because they don't have a range of (x) or the blatant myths/assumptions that just aren't true.

Bottom line - EVs work for a lot of people. I love mine - it's fast, efficient, quiet and easy to live with.

But it's not for everyone - I understand that. If I had to do high mileage journeys regularly and rely on the public charging network, there's no way I'd have one.

Horses for courses.

[BricktopST205]

Dave200 said:

90%+ of people who are leasing or financing nearly new cars are paying for the depreciation. That's not an EV thing. As an aside, the GR86 is a classic example of an ice engine that's not worth dying on a hill over. I was on the second waiting list until I drove one and experienced the wheezy, thrashy, torqueless engine. My Tesla would eat it for breakfast.

Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:25

Resorting to insults I see.

Obviously you are a minority as Tesla values are through the floor and GR86 are holding very strong. Chris Harris gave it massive praise and like him I absolutely love thrashy torqueless engines with a high RPM! As for your "Tesla eating it for breakfast" Nurburging times for the performance are comparable yet the GR86 has half the horsepower. The normal one is infact slower. Go figure which one has the best more enjoyable chassis

[nickfrog]

BricktopST205 said:

Resorting to insults I see.

?

[LowTread]

BricktopST205 said:

Dave200 said:

90%+ of people who are leasing or financing nearly new cars are paying for the depreciation. That's not an EV thing. As an aside, the GR86 is a classic example of an ice engine that's not worth dying on a hill over. I was on the second waiting list until I drove one and experienced the wheezy, thrashy, torqueless engine. My Tesla would eat it for breakfast.

Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:25

Resorting to insults I see.

Obviously you are a minority as Tesla values are through the floor and GR86 are holding very strong. Chris Harris gave it massive praise and like him I absolutely love thrashy torqueless engines with a high RPM! As for your "Tesla eating it for breakfast" Nurburging times for the performance are comparable yet the GR86 has half the horsepower. The normal one is infact slower. Go figure which one has the best more enjoyable chassis

Yeah fair enough, but a GR doesn't fit my needs as a daily, in the same way that an Tesla doesn't apparently fit yours.

Happily have one as a 2nd car though. Mulling this over right now actually as replacement for my 111R.

[Dave200]

BricktopST205 said:

Dave200 said:

90%+ of people who are leasing or financing nearly new cars are paying for the depreciation. That's not an EV thing. As an aside, the GR86 is a classic example of an ice engine that's not worth dying on a hill over. I was on the second waiting list until I drove one and experienced the wheezy, thrashy, torqueless engine. My Tesla would eat it for breakfast.

Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 07:25

Resorting to insults I see.

Obviously you are a minority as Tesla values are through the floor and GR86 are holding very strong. Chris Harris gave it massive praise and like him I absolutely love thrashy torqueless engines with a high RPM! As for your "Tesla eating it for breakfast" Nurburging times for the performance are comparable yet the GR86 has half the horsepower. The normal one is infact slower. Go figure which one has the best more enjoyable chassis

You don't need to wear the car you own on finance like a badge of pride. Me saying it has a rubbish engine is not insulting you personally. I didn't buy my Tesla to drive around the Nurburgring, I have other cars for that sort of thing, all of which have more interesting engines than the lump in the GR86 that it shares with such luminaries as the Subaru Ascent. As for your enjoyable chassis, I have no idea what that has to do with the EV vs ice debate. On the subject of Nurburgring laptimes, thanks to its asthmatic engine the GR86 gets around in about the same time as a V6 automatic Mercedes SLK. Hardly anything to write home about.

Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 10:32

[romft123]

Ankh87 said:

To for the first time in 12 days I went to the fuel station. I were trembling at the fact that I had to touch a cold pump with my bare hands. The anxiety of having to spend a few minutes filling up while I stood there. The time and effort it took me to turn right, instead of driving straight forward. The non-existent que to wait for a pump and pay. Thank the Lord I don't need to visit that place again for another 12 days at least.


Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.

EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.

Top tip, and its free. Dont buy one.

[Earthdweller]

KingGary said:

What are you on about? I’ve never got wet whilst refuelling , as every garage forecourt is covered. As for stopping for a 10 min top up, how far does that get you, 5 miles? It reminds of being 17, when I could only afford £5 of petrol at a time. Some seriously weird logic on this thread.

My local petrol station isn’t covered, just a petrol and a diesel pump on the footpath at the front of the shop

Mind you I probably wouldn’t go to fill up if it was pissing down mind

The next nearest is the same although this time it’s outside a pub and you have to go into the bar to pay

[TheBinarySheep]

plfrench said:

Eh? Mine has come down since I had my EV - started at 10p/kWh and then dropped to 7p/kWh out of the blue last September. Household rate is only 22.6p/kWh too, so pretty reasonable.

Fuel duty losses could be compensated by excess renewable electricity sales to our interconnected neighbours (including Germany from 2028) by the this becomes a problem.

Same, I was paying 10p and it went down to 7p.

[BricktopST205]

Dave200 said:

You don't need to wear the car you own on finance like a badge of pride. Me saying it has a rubbish engine is not insulting you personally. I didn't buy my Tesla to drive around the Nurburgring, I have other cars for that sort of thing, all of which have more interesting engines than the lump in the GR86 that it shares with such luminaries as the Subaru Ascent. As for your enjoyable chassis, I have no idea what that has to do with the EV vs ice debate. On the subject of Nurburgring laptimes, thanks to its asthmatic engine the GR86 gets around in about the same time as a V6 automatic Mercedes SLK. Hardly anything to write home about.

Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 10:32

The car isn't on finance I own it. Renting cars isn't my thing which is why I have a 20 year old family wagon and 29 year old Group A homologation special for the weekends

The GR86 is a fun daily commuting tool for myself and the wife.

[Dave200]

romft123 said:

Ankh87 said:

To for the first time in 12 days I went to the fuel station. I were trembling at the fact that I had to touch a cold pump with my bare hands. The anxiety of having to spend a few minutes filling up while I stood there. The time and effort it took me to turn right, instead of driving straight forward. The non-existent que to wait for a pump and pay. Thank the Lord I don't need to visit that place again for another 12 days at least.


Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.

EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.

Top tip, and its free. Dont buy one.

This won't stop him posting basically the same thing every couple of weeks on this thread.

[Dave200]

BricktopST205 said:

Dave200 said:

You don't need to wear the car you own on finance like a badge of pride. Me saying it has a rubbish engine is not insulting you personally. I didn't buy my Tesla to drive around the Nurburgring, I have other cars for that sort of thing, all of which have more interesting engines than the lump in the GR86 that it shares with such luminaries as the Subaru Ascent. As for your enjoyable chassis, I have no idea what that has to do with the EV vs ice debate. On the subject of Nurburgring laptimes, thanks to its asthmatic engine the GR86 gets around in about the same time as a V6 automatic Mercedes SLK. Hardly anything to write home about.

Edited by Dave200 on Tuesday 30th April 10:32

The car isn't on finance I own it. Renting cars isn't my thing which is why I have a 20 year old family wagon and 29 year old Group A homologation special for the weekends

The GR86 is a fun daily commuting tool for myself and the wife.

The thing you took from all of that was the finance part? Like I said, you shouldn't need to wear the car you own like a badge of pride. It's the same thing that causes people to call EV owners silly names.

[TheBinarySheep]

Given the negative press that EV's seem to get, is this all simply for clicks, or is there any evidence that there's oil money behind it in an attempt to slow down uptake?

[SWoll]

Ankh87 said:

To for the first time in 12 days I went to the fuel station. I were trembling at the fact that I had to touch a cold pump with my bare hands. The anxiety of having to spend a few minutes filling up while I stood there. The time and effort it took me to turn right, instead of driving straight forward. The non-existent que to wait for a pump and pay. Thank the Lord I don't need to visit that place again for another 12 days at least.


Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.

EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.

What you have to remember is that pretty much everyone who drives an EV here will have had considerable experience with filling up an ICE previously. We've all queued on forecourts, had broken pay at pump machines that require you to queue inside, waited for the person in front to do a weekly shop, got our hands covered in diesel, had the panic of fuel shortages and been regularly rinsed for filling our tanks when the price of oil spikes.

When the alternative is paying 2p per mile and taking a minute to plug a car in once per week it should be obvious why many don't want to go back to ICE as a daily mode of transport, especially with so much great value used EV choice presently.

[romft123]

Dave200 said:

romft123 said:

Ankh87 said:

To for the first time in 12 days I went to the fuel station. I were trembling at the fact that I had to touch a cold pump with my bare hands. The anxiety of having to spend a few minutes filling up while I stood there. The time and effort it took me to turn right, instead of driving straight forward. The non-existent que to wait for a pump and pay. Thank the Lord I don't need to visit that place again for another 12 days at least.


Jokes a side. It would be nice never to go visit a fueling station again but the human aspect of me likes me little talk to the same old chap behind the counter. I don't ever go out of my way to fuel and I don't go that often, maybe 2-3 times a month which is nothing really.

EV would be nice but they still cost way too much for me and I'm not a Tesla fan at all, they look horrid.

Top tip, and its free. Dont buy one.

This won't stop him posting basically the same thing every couple of weeks on this thread.

I know. I just dont get it. Its been said over and over here and elsewhere. EV's DONT work for everyone. I would like a diesel suv for the better MPG BUT I do mainly journies under 30 miles and then only maybe twice a week if that. Thats why I have a petrol one. I might buy a PHEV.....Maybe a full on EV. BUT my petrol SUV is worth £8k trade in, and replace it with what? It might work for me soon....maybe. But I am not blabbing on and on like some ...

[Dave200]

TheBinarySheep said:

Given the negative press that EV's seem to get, is this all simply for clicks, or is there any evidence that there's oil money behind it in an attempt to slow down uptake?

https://www.theautopian.com/heres-the-anti-ev-ad-the-oil-industry-is-running-in-key-battleground-states/
https://www.marketing-beat.co.uk/2023/07/28/exxonm...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2024/02/1...

[BricktopST205]

TheBinarySheep said:

Given the negative press that EV's seem to get, is this all simply for clicks, or is there any evidence that there's oil money behind it in an attempt to slow down uptake?

Or it could be that people have absolutely zero use for them?

The sales of them are propped up government grants/company car tax relief.

EV's in their current state are a cheaper to run than their ICE version if you take depreciation out of the equation. That is true but when you take the amount of tax from fuel it really isn't.

The government will never let the revenue from fuel dissapear so instead will tax the EV motorist in a different way so the costs will end up the same anyway.

After all that has happened you will have a platform that whilst "greener" will be a lot more compromised than the ICE vehicle it replaced.

For me at least I need an EV to be 5 series estate size. Have a genuine range of 400 miles at least and be able to tow a car trailer. To charge from 0-100% in a couple of minutes. Then it will be able to replace my 20 year old family wagon that can do all of those things.

[Muzzer79]

BricktopST205 said:

For me at least I need an EV to be 5 series estate size. Have a genuine range of 400 miles at least and be able to tow a car trailer. To charge from 0-100% in a couple of minutes. Then it will be able to replace my 20 year old family wagon that can do all of those things.

Why?

Why does it need to do the things in bold?

I get the need for a car of a certain size and one that can tow a trailer.

But why does it need to have that range and charging speed?

Do you do multiple 400 mile journeys in a day? That's a hell of a lot of driving if you do.

Did you select the ICE car you drive on the basis of how many miles you can get out of a tank?

[SWoll]

BricktopST205 said:

For me at least I need an EV to be 5 series estate size. Have a genuine range of 400 miles at least and be able to tow a car trailer. To charge from 0-100% in a couple of minutes. Then it will be able to replace my 20 year old family wagon that can do all of those things.

EV Bingo!