EVs... no one wants them!

EVs... no one wants them!

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cj2013

1,409 posts

141 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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ACCYSTAN said:
If they had a range of 500 miles + the same as the petrol or diesel Berlingo, I would buy one today
But does a person really need to travel that far without a break? If it were the US, someone could make the argument for long distances without chargers or something (in the appalachia type areas), but the UK isn't a particularly big island.

LivLL

11,589 posts

212 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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raspy said:
I agree. In fact, I'm going to see if we can get enough signatures to get our government to ban people from having kids.
Step away from the red book Comrade

Muzzer79

12,051 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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cj2013 said:
ACCYSTAN said:
If they had a range of 500 miles + the same as the petrol or diesel Berlingo, I would buy one today
But does a person really need to travel that far without a break? If it were the US, someone could make the argument for long distances without chargers or something (in the appalachia type areas), but the UK isn't a particularly big island.
Don't waste your breath

PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.

They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.

I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.

cj2013

1,409 posts

141 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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raspy said:
I agree. In fact, I'm going to see if we can get enough signatures to get our government to ban people from having kids.
TBF, even though you're clearly joking, the concept of population growth is indeed a past issue, not a present one.

Take 2022 for example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/270370/age-dis...

17.47% of the population was 14 or under
63.36% was 15 to 64
19.17% was 65 or older

So in the simplest form, we're looking at a 1.63% population decrease due to having less 'new' people born than 'old' people on their way into the twilight.

So, ironically, air quality in BUAs (e.g. reducing infant mortality from air pollution etc) is weirdly contributing towards the perception of population growth (by improving health), but is actually intrinsically help to improve population decline.

Oilchange

9,238 posts

275 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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CO2 isn't a problem, it’s just an easily measured metric by which governments can tax us.
Never in the history of the world has CO2 caused the planet to warm, it’s always been the other way round.

GT9

8,046 posts

187 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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BricktopST205 said:
EV's are a drop in the ocean compared to population control.
That's what hydrogen is for.
I've even seen secret plans to put it in people's homes and cars, but tell no-one I said that.
The intended carnage is indescribable.

raspy

2,025 posts

109 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath

PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.

They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.

I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
My chauffeur the other day told me he's from Romania and he drives back home from London every few months and prefers to drive than fly.

Anyway, he told me he drives there non stop (apart from fuel breaks for diesel) and says it takes him about 24 hrs of driving to get home. He told me EVs were useless for him.

CivicDuties

7,729 posts

45 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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raspy said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath

PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.

They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.

I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
My chauffeur the other day told me he's from Romania and he drives back home from London every few months and prefers to drive than fly.

Anyway, he told me he drives there non stop (apart from fuel breaks for diesel) and says it takes him about 24 hrs of driving to get home. He told me EVs were useless for him.
I think you've convinced me. We should stop all this EV nonsense right now because of one Romanian who likes to drive a long distance in an incredibly dangerous manner once every couple of months.

monkfish1

12,130 posts

239 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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CivicDuties said:
Yes, but more slowly, giving us more time to work out the final answers to stopping it happening.
You seriously believe it can be "stopped" ?


GeneralBanter

1,296 posts

30 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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GT9 said:
GeneralBanter is a new username on this thread, posting like a previously banned account.
If you meant amateur sleuthing, I wasn't after their actual identity...
Goodness me. I started PH about a year ago, and saw this thread a week or so ago! You’re upset because I’ve joined your love-in by saying some realities you don’t like.

Ankh87

970 posts

117 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath

PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.

They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.

I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I think it's the fact that when you do stop, you can just stop any where for a break. You don't need to stop and take a break at a specific location. So if you are happy to drive 4 hours without stopping, then you can do.

You don't need to think that I must stop off at X location which could be actually off your route. You could just pull over on a B road layby, go for the splash behind the bush. Put rubbish in the bin. Carry on the journey in a matter of minutes. No need to wait another X amount of charge to be sure you can carry on your journey. No need to worry if you might be waiting for a charger or even if they are working.

BricktopST205

1,434 posts

149 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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cj2013 said:
TBF, even though you're clearly joking, the concept of population growth is indeed a past issue, not a present one.

Take 2022 for example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/270370/age-dis...

17.47% of the population was 14 or under
63.36% was 15 to 64
19.17% was 65 or older

So in the simplest form, we're looking at a 1.63% population decrease due to having less 'new' people born than 'old' people on their way into the twilight.

So, ironically, air quality in BUAs (e.g. reducing infant mortality from air pollution etc) is weirdly contributing towards the perception of population growth (by improving health), but is actually intrinsically help to improve population decline.
Haha because obviously the UK is indicative of the world as a whole.

BricktopST205

1,434 posts

149 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath

PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.

They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.

I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I did over 300 miles today and did a stint of 04 hours 4 minutes before I had to stop for a break in a layby. 160 litres of diesel used. Just imagine all that dirty Co2 I am chugging out from my 16 litre engine just so miss Maple in her EV Corsa can go to the supermarket in the next town to pick up her avocado on toast that has been ultra processed.

romft123

1,393 posts

19 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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There are some really really stupid posts on here.

I cant be bothered to put my coke can in the recycling coz it dont matter etc etc...............

TikTak

2,247 posts

34 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath

PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.

They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.

I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I'd agree in the main, there does seem to be an abnormal amount of those people going round.

Still. The "reason" is one part of it, the want to have it another. People are always resistant to change unfortunately, whether it more reasonable (like I consider myself, where an EV cost doesn't quite make sense right now) or those who will take vroom vroom noises to their grave.

Most people are in the middle so would probably like a change to be as seamless as possible and on the whole to get change to work there need to be upsides without extra barriers or cost.

If they fill their tank once a week currently, then that's probably what they'd like to do in the future, perhaps on the fly and definitely not at more cost which it currently is.





GT9

8,046 posts

187 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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GeneralBanter said:
Goodness me. I started PH about a year ago, and saw this thread a week or so ago! You’re upset because I’ve joined your love-in by saying some realities you don’t like.
Hmm, ok, the V6 pushfit thing rings a bell.
The thread is 600 something pages long, the trolling accounts have been appearing thick and fast for so long now it's hard to keep up.
If you are here to contribute in earnest, apologies for reading it wrong, but you didn't exactly arrive in that way.
If you walk in carrying the usual trolling tool kit, you know what they say about ducks quacking and all that.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on my previous response to you?

Muzzer79

12,051 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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Ankh87 said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath

PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.

They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.

I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I think it's the fact that when you do stop, you can just stop any where for a break. You don't need to stop and take a break at a specific location. So if you are happy to drive 4 hours without stopping, then you can do.

You don't need to think that I must stop off at X location which could be actually off your route. You could just pull over on a B road layby, go for the splash behind the bush. Put rubbish in the bin. Carry on the journey in a matter of minutes. No need to wait another X amount of charge to be sure you can carry on your journey. No need to worry if you might be waiting for a charger or even if they are working.
The point isn't the practicalities of stopping

The point is that where are all these people going on these 400 mile journeys that they're doing so regularly as to necessitate a car that has that range?

I drive to locations as part of my job - 15-20k miles a year. My longest journey that I can recall - business or personal - is something like 125 miles each way, taking 2 - 2.5 hours each way.

I take the EV, which has the range for it but I give it a small (safety) top up when I get to the office, then I do my business and drive home.



cj2013

1,409 posts

141 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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BricktopST205 said:
Haha because obviously the UK is indicative of the world as a whole.
How exactly would a UK policy banning people from having kids (the joking original point by raspy) be anything to do with your straw man?

NDA

23,163 posts

240 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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I see that IM Motors is launching the 'L6'. 1,000 kilometre range and capable of charging quickly enough for 400 miles to be added in 12 minutes.

https://www.electrive.com/2024/03/26/im-motors-lau...

I suspect a 1,000 kilometre range won't be enough for some on here, but it is, nonetheless, an interesting looking car.

Boxster5

927 posts

123 months

Wednesday 1st May 2024
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740EVTORQUES said:
nickfrog said:
Recycled bog paper does scratch the surface, that's the problem.
That deserves a rofl
Anyone old enough might remember Izal toilet paper - now that was hateful stuff and it scratched more than the surface!
Hard unforgiving medicated stuff that we had in our infant & junior school.
Ironically still available as a retro item on EBay!
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