EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
Mikebentley said:
Curious why the calculations should be “Not including fuel”? The fuel savings can be significant. I do 24k per year in my EV and it costs me about £16 per week in fuel. A petrol or diesel car would be about £100 per week. This is without considering what a great drive my EV is and never the need to visit filthy fuel stations. This is brought home to me once a month when the Defender needs its £120 drink.
Mainly because I couldn't be bothered to work it out because charging costs can vary wildly. I simply put the "Not including fuel" as a detriment for the ICE. Considering that the average motorist does 7k miles a year and £8000 in fuel is around 40-45k miles it would take 6 and half years before you would brake even with the EV on the assumption you could charge for free.I am sure your 24k miles a year in a car that probably was a tax right-off is saving you considerable money but for the vast majority of punters this isn't the case when they are barely doing a third of that and the value of their EV is dropping like a stone.
BricktopST205 said:
Dave200 said:
I love how you've completely ignored the guy who pointed out that 90% of new cars are bought on finance irrespective of fuel type. This is high quality anti-EV stuff.
I could lease an M340i right now, from new, for £900-odd a month. Remember my comparison with the Tesla model 3 long range earlier? Yep, you've guessed it. It's about £900 a month to lease.
I am not in that 90% so it doesn't interest me. The thread title is "EVs... no one wants them". I look at this from my own circumstances and base everything on that. I could lease an M340i right now, from new, for £900-odd a month. Remember my comparison with the Tesla model 3 long range earlier? Yep, you've guessed it. It's about £900 a month to lease.
Edited by Dave200 on Friday 17th May 16:01
KingGary said:
Which explains why most EVs look like worn bars of soap, shod with bicycle wheels.
So do aircraft.The beauty in the eye-of-the-beholder thing only applies for as long as those eyes can see.
Aerodynamics will in all probability remain forever important.
I predict future generations will see beauty in letting Mother Nature tell us how cars should look.
GT9 said:
KingGary said:
Which explains why most EVs look like worn bars of soap, shod with bicycle wheels.
So do aircraft.The beauty in the eye-of-the-beholder thing only applies for as long as those eyes can see.
Aerodynamics will in all probability remain forever important.
I predict future generations will see beauty in letting Mother Nature tell us how cars should look.
Truth is most EVs look like *cars*, because that's what they are - a lot are entirely indistinguishable from ICE cars because they share the same body as as ICE stablemante. And the only one I can think of with skinny wheels is the BMW i3.
But sure, let's carry on with the asinine "image" objections. Wouldn't mind betting KingGary is straining at the bit to call them "milkfloats"...
GT9 said:
So do aircraft.
The beauty in the eye-of-the-beholder thing only applies for as long as those eyes can see.
Aerodynamics will in all probability remain forever important.
I predict future generations will see beauty in letting Mother Nature tell us how cars should look.
You make a good point there however, with driving something that has aerodynamics of the average garden shed then I'll leave aerodynamics alone The beauty in the eye-of-the-beholder thing only applies for as long as those eyes can see.
Aerodynamics will in all probability remain forever important.
I predict future generations will see beauty in letting Mother Nature tell us how cars should look.
BricktopST205 said:
It also still doesn't change the fact that the drivetrain is still heavier.
Over 600 miles range from a the equivalent of 2 gallons of diesel. 300 mpg under normal and high speed driving conditions.
The car has a kerb mass of 1.75 tons, it seems the weight thing is a tad overblown.
GT9 said:
BricktopST205 said:
It also still doesn't change the fact that the drivetrain is still heavier.
Over 600 miles range from a the equivalent of 2 gallons of diesel. 300 mpg under normal and high speed driving conditions.
The car has a kerb mass of 1.75 tons, it seems the weight thing is a tad overblown.
CivicDuties said:
My EV looks like a moderately surprised frog. The animal, I mean. Hang on, great idea, I should give it a wrap in Kermit green.
Truth is most EVs look like *cars*, because that's what they are - a lot are entirely indistinguishable from ICE cars because they share the same body as as ICE stablemante. And the only one I can think of with skinny wheels is the BMW i3.
But sure, let's carry on with the asinine "image" objections. Wouldn't mind betting KingGary is straining at the bit to call them "milkfloats"...
Im sure the same people are all driving around in Ferrari Dinos.Truth is most EVs look like *cars*, because that's what they are - a lot are entirely indistinguishable from ICE cars because they share the same body as as ICE stablemante. And the only one I can think of with skinny wheels is the BMW i3.
But sure, let's carry on with the asinine "image" objections. Wouldn't mind betting KingGary is straining at the bit to call them "milkfloats"...
GT9 said:
Over 600 miles range from a the equivalent of 2 gallons of diesel.
300 mpg under normal and high speed driving conditions.
The car has a kerb mass of 1.75 tons, it seems the weight thing is a tad overblown.
I saw this on Harrys Garage and it is absolutely fantastic but is this available to buy on the market now because if it is sign me up straight away?300 mpg under normal and high speed driving conditions.
The car has a kerb mass of 1.75 tons, it seems the weight thing is a tad overblown.
This is what I expect from a EV to replace my ICE car not these half arsed offerings that we have at the moment.
If this existed today I don't think the thread title "EVs... no one wants them!" would exist.
BricktopST205 said:
I saw this on Harrys Garage and it is absolutely fantastic but is this available to buy on the market now because if it is sign me up straight away?
This is what I expect from a EV to replace my ICE car not these half arsed offerings that we have at the moment.
If this existed today I don't think the thread title "EVs... no one wants them!" would exist.
It’s Chinese isn’t it. Can’t remember the name. This is what I expect from a EV to replace my ICE car not these half arsed offerings that we have at the moment.
If this existed today I don't think the thread title "EVs... no one wants them!" would exist.
Cars like this are the reason why the Yanks are increasing tariffs. And you can see why.
otolith said:
Ahh these climate agenda organisations like to obfuscate don't they? They talk about China's renewable energy 'capacity' not generation.Let's see, the UK's installed wind 'capacity' was 30 gig 18 months ago, must be more now. So I checked the UK wind generation right now, this second, and wind is generating 1.15 gig of electricity!
BricktopST205 said:
I saw this on Harrys Garage and it is absolutely fantastic but is this available to buy on the market now because if it is sign me up straight away?
This is what I expect from a EV to replace my ICE car not these half arsed offerings that we have at the moment.
If this existed today I don't think the thread title "EVs... no one wants them!" would exist.
No it's not available to buy, 2025 is supposedly when we will see the AMG vision production car.This is what I expect from a EV to replace my ICE car not these half arsed offerings that we have at the moment.
If this existed today I don't think the thread title "EVs... no one wants them!" would exist.
Expect a fatter Taycan rival, although the manufacturers are edging closer to something like the car I posted.
I appreciate that the transition we are seeing to EV is messy and uncomfortable for some.
I think quite a few of the posts on this thread are lamenting the fact we can't simply arrive at the destination without the journey.
BricktopST205 said:
I am not in that 90% so it doesn't interest me. The thread title is "EVs... no one wants them". I look at this from my own circumstances and base everything on that.
That doesn't make any sense. You have to base everything on the data. You might want to stick a radish up your arse and dance down the high street singing a song but that doesn't mean everyone else wants to. New EVs are selling and so are used ones. Because neither you or I for that matter have purchased one does not somehow bend reality.
BricktopST205 said:
Mainly because I couldn't be bothered to work it out because charging costs can vary wildly. I simply put the "Not including fuel" as a detriment for the ICE. Considering that the average motorist does 7k miles a year and £8000 in fuel is around 40-45k miles it would take 6 and half years before you would brake even with the EV on the assumption you could charge for free.
I am sure your 24k miles a year in a car that probably was a tax right-off is saving you considerable money but for the vast majority of punters this isn't the case when they are barely doing a third of that and the value of their EV is dropping like a stone.
Your desperation to try to win an argument looks pathetic.I am sure your 24k miles a year in a car that probably was a tax right-off is saving you considerable money but for the vast majority of punters this isn't the case when they are barely doing a third of that and the value of their EV is dropping like a stone.
Remember what has been said? The vast majority of new car sales are financed, so the finance company takes any excess depreciation hit, not the new car buyer.
I won't write any more because you struggle to deal with more than one point being made in any single post.
Tigger2050 said:
Ahh these climate agenda organisations like to obfuscate don't they? They talk about China's renewable energy 'capacity' not generation.
Let's see, the UK's installed wind 'capacity' was 30 gig 18 months ago, must be more now. So I checked the UK wind generation right now, this second, and wind is generating 1.15 gig of electricity!
Obfuscate is a new and popular word for you, where did you learn that? Let's see, the UK's installed wind 'capacity' was 30 gig 18 months ago, must be more now. So I checked the UK wind generation right now, this second, and wind is generating 1.15 gig of electricity!
Cherry-picking would also be a good example of obfuscation.
Average continuous power from wind is currently running at about '10 gig'.
As a result, average carbon intensity of all UK electricity is currently at 160 g/kWh or 35 g/km for EV charging.
INCLUDING CHARGING LOSSES!!!!
braddo said:
Your desperation to try to win an argument looks pathetic.
Remember what has been said? The vast majority of new car sales are financed, so the finance company takes any excess depreciation hit, not the new car buyer.
I won't write any more because you struggle to deal with more than one point being made in any single post.
The person paying the finance takes the depreciation hit not the finance company. It is the most expensive way to own a vehicle period. Some people got lucky in the past couple of years because they based their algorithms on ICE vehicles previously. That will not happen now. Remember what has been said? The vast majority of new car sales are financed, so the finance company takes any excess depreciation hit, not the new car buyer.
I won't write any more because you struggle to deal with more than one point being made in any single post.
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