EVs... no one wants them!

EVs... no one wants them!

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Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

54 months

Wednesday 27th March
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wormus said:
And a sample of one is significant because?….

Ask somebody travelling across a large continent like Australia or America if 300 miles is adequate. Besides, there’s a difference between stopping for a wee or to stretch your legs vs being forced to refuel. Google tells me time taken to recharge a Tesla with a supercharger is one hour, which is about 45 minutes longer than I want to spend in any services. That assumes you can find a free charger of course. Biggest problem I have with most EVs is the styling, it’s like they’ve been designed with dullness in mind. Model X looks like a Moomin, especially in white.
How often are you driving your car across Australia?

It's relevant because it's HIS experience. Feel free to ignore it. Google tells me there are lots of cars that aren't EV's available to you.Who knew. Did Google also tell you that 15 mins at a supercharger will give you 200 miles? So there's your precious 15 mins.

But you know all this, you just have a weird obsession with cars you don't own.


FiF

44,296 posts

253 months

Wednesday 27th March
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740EVTORQUES said:
Group A: the people for whom the range of current EV's is a massive disadvantage and therefore don't buy EV's. In theory should be happy but seem to whine a lot about EV's ruining their lives. Also include people who can't afford a new car, always buy used and yet complain about the price of new cars, specifically blaming EV's for this issue.

Group B: the people for whom EV's are perfectly fine, bought an EV and are very happy with all the other improvements they bring

Group C: the people for whom EV's currently don't work, but who bought one anyway. one question, why?

Group D: the people who believe all the BS spouted here and elsewhere and who really could be in Group B, but who are labouring on with their petrol or diesel cars

Which are you?
You've missed one group E: people who do not believe all the BS spouted on here for whom an EV could currently work but don't have one because the market for new vehicles doesn't yet provide a vehicle that is suitable for their use case for genuine reasons completely other than because it's an EV. Those people are keeping watch on developments and will happily change to EV at the next opportunity when a) they need to change vehicle and b) a suitable one becomes available in a design and/or at a price point they are willing to pay, be that new or used.


In the meantime they see these pages partly filled with childish crap spouted by some on both sides of the tribalism and rolleyes

GT9

6,873 posts

174 months

Wednesday 27th March
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rowley birkin said:
Group E: the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's.
I'm in Group F, the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars whilst appreciating the opportunities that EVs present for the longer term.

Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

54 months

Wednesday 27th March
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FiF said:
You've missed one group E: people who do not believe all the BS spouted on here for whom an EV could currently work but don't have one because the market for new vehicles doesn't yet provide a vehicle that is suitable for their use case for genuine reasons completely other than because it's an EV. Those people are keeping watch on developments and will happily change to EV at the next opportunity when a) they need to change vehicle and b) a suitable one becomes available in a design and/or at a price point they are willing to pay, be that new or used.
And this was me until this year.

TheRainMaker

6,376 posts

244 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Seasonal Hero said:
Did Google also tell you that 15 mins at a supercharger will give you 200 miles? So there's your precious 15 mins.
If Google did tell him that it was BS hehe even Tesla don't say they are that quick.





nickfrog

21,349 posts

219 months

Wednesday 27th March
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rowley birkin said:
Group E: the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's.
Yet they seem very keen on opening threads about EVs. Why the self-harming?

TheRainMaker

6,376 posts

244 months

Wednesday 27th March
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pti

1,720 posts

146 months

Wednesday 27th March
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GT9 said:
rowley birkin said:
Group E: the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's.
I'm in Group F, the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars whilst appreciating the opportunities that EVs present for the longer term.
Yep. Same.

Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

54 months

Wednesday 27th March
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TheRainMaker said:
You said they don't say it. I have shown you they do.

Dave200

4,091 posts

222 months

Wednesday 27th March
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TheRainMaker said:
Dave200 said:
What about people like me who've had a EV for a couple of years that can do a real 300+ miles in cold weather?
You have had an EV for a couple of years which will do 300+ in cold weather?

Which one is that?, there are not many new ones that can do that.
Tesla model 3 dual motor. It's a remarkable thing. I'm sure the range would drop off substantially in subzero temperatures, but it's hardly like that ever happens in the UK. God bless global warming I guess.

anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Seasonal Hero said:
wormus said:
And a sample of one is significant because?….

Ask somebody travelling across a large continent like Australia or America if 300 miles is adequate. Besides, there’s a difference between stopping for a wee or to stretch your legs vs being forced to refuel. Google tells me time taken to recharge a Tesla with a supercharger is one hour, which is about 45 minutes longer than I want to spend in any services. That assumes you can find a free charger of course. Biggest problem I have with most EVs is the styling, it’s like they’ve been designed with dullness in mind. Model X looks like a Moomin, especially in white.
How often are you driving your car across Australia?

It's relevant because it's HIS experience. Feel free to ignore it. Google tells me there are lots of cars that aren't EV's available to you.Who knew. Did Google also tell you that 15 mins at a supercharger will give you 200 miles? So there's your precious 15 mins.

But you know all this, you just have a weird obsession with cars you don't own.
I’ve highlighted the relevant point in your rant. Some of us just don’t want an EV because of personal preference, yet that doesn’t seem to be an acceptable PoV, in spite of the thread’s title. Rather than be allowed to talk about all the things we don’t like about them, the passive aggressive electro nerds have descended to tell us with rage why we are wrong. You may love your electric car, good on you, it’s just some of us make other choices.



Dave200

4,091 posts

222 months

Wednesday 27th March
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wormus said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Dave200 said:
What about people like me who've had a EV for a couple of years that can do a real 300+ miles in cold weather? I've had absolutely no issues with range at all. In fact I've been closer to running out of petrol in my other car than I have been to running out of EV juice. Does my experience count?
No - it counts for nothing when compared to someone who has never run an EV.
And a sample of one is significant because?….

Ask somebody travelling across a large continent like Australia or America if 300 miles is adequate. Besides, there’s a difference between stopping for a wee or to stretch your legs vs being forced to refuel. Google tells me time taken to recharge a Tesla with a supercharger is one hour, which is about 45 minutes longer than I want to spend in any services. That assumes you can find a free charger of course. Biggest problem I have with most EVs is the styling, it’s like they’ve been designed with dullness in mind. Model X looks like a Moomin, especially in white.
But this thread is about people travelling in the UK, so I'm not sure what relevance these trips across continents have to this discussion.

GT9

6,873 posts

174 months

Wednesday 27th March
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pti said:
GT9 said:
rowley birkin said:
Group E: the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's.
I'm in Group F, the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars whilst appreciating the opportunities that EVs present for the longer term.
Yep. Same.
Im going to amend the description slightly if you don't mind.

Group F, the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars whilst appreciating the opportunities that EVs present for the longer term and confused as to why a fatal construction flaw in recent automobiles that prevents me from escaping from the car when it become submerged is so important.

beer

Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

54 months

Wednesday 27th March
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wormus said:
I’ve highlighted the relevant point in your rant. Some of us just don’t want an EV because of personal preference, yet that doesn’t seem to be an acceptable PoV, in spite of the thread’s title. Rather than be allowed to talk about all the things we don’t like about them, the passive aggressive electro nerds have descended to tell us with rage why we are wrong. You may love your electric car, good on you, it’s just some of us make other choices.
There is literally no-one here telling you you can't have the car you do. I don't give a st what you drive - so it puzzles me that you care about what I or others do (for the record both ICE and EV). Also noted how you highlighted the part you felt that could safely reply to whilst ignoring the rest because they don't suit your tedious narrative.

In the meantime keep pointing out utterly irrelevant things like 'but I can't drive across America'.





anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Seasonal Hero said:
wormus said:
I’ve highlighted the relevant point in your rant. Some of us just don’t want an EV because of personal preference, yet that doesn’t seem to be an acceptable PoV, in spite of the thread’s title. Rather than be allowed to talk about all the things we don’t like about them, the passive aggressive electro nerds have descended to tell us with rage why we are wrong. You may love your electric car, good on you, it’s just some of us make other choices.
There is literally no-one here telling you you can't have the car you do. I don't give a st what you drive - so it puzzles me that you care about what I or others do (for the record both ICE and EV). Also noted how you highlighted the part you felt that could safely reply to whilst ignoring the rest because they don't suit your tedious narrative.

In the meantime keep pointing out utterly irrelevant things like 'but I can't drive across America'.
I ignored the rest of your response because I thought it was irrelevant and uninteresting. My point about driving across continents was since the 1990s cars have been developed for global use, not by local markets so what might work for Colin, the EV-driving junior manager, living in Milton Keynes, won’t work work for Bruce who’s planning a trip across Adelaide. Hence my reference to a sample of one being pointless.

Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

54 months

Wednesday 27th March
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And your experience of zero even more so.

You chose to not reply because you had no reply.

JustGetATesla

305 posts

121 months

Wednesday 27th March
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TheRainMaker said:
That has nothing to do with the question hehe
It has everything to do with the question. Why would anyone need a car that can do 300 miles non-stop in winter? As the guy said, his Model 3 could - but as almost everyone stops on a drive of 4 hours+, who cares.

I spent 20 years driving diesels up and down. 50k miles a year at the peak. How far the thing would go non-stop was never an issue as I always did what everyone else did - took a break because need a wee / hungry / need to call someone / bored etc etc etc.

There is no real world need for any car to do 500 miles on a single tank because practically nobody drives like that. Its FUD, and pretty laughable FUD as well.

TheRainMaker

6,376 posts

244 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Seasonal Hero said:
TheRainMaker said:
You said they don't say it. I have shown you they do.
What you did was link to the American website, which isn't really relevant here in the UK.

Apologies if you are in the US.



Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

54 months

Wednesday 27th March
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TheRainMaker said:
What you did was link to the American website, which isn't really relevant here in the UK.

Apologies if you are in the US.
I'm not. So fair point.

From the UK site:

Charging speeds vary slightly by model.

Vehicle Supercharge Speed

Model S Up to 200 miles in 15 minutes
Model 3 Up to 171 miles in 15 minutes
Model X Up to 175 miles in 15 minutes
Model Y Up to 150 miles in 15 minutes