EVs... no one wants them!
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wormus said:
And a sample of one is significant because?….
Ask somebody travelling across a large continent like Australia or America if 300 miles is adequate. Besides, there’s a difference between stopping for a wee or to stretch your legs vs being forced to refuel. Google tells me time taken to recharge a Tesla with a supercharger is one hour, which is about 45 minutes longer than I want to spend in any services. That assumes you can find a free charger of course. Biggest problem I have with most EVs is the styling, it’s like they’ve been designed with dullness in mind. Model X looks like a Moomin, especially in white.
How often are you driving your car across Australia? Ask somebody travelling across a large continent like Australia or America if 300 miles is adequate. Besides, there’s a difference between stopping for a wee or to stretch your legs vs being forced to refuel. Google tells me time taken to recharge a Tesla with a supercharger is one hour, which is about 45 minutes longer than I want to spend in any services. That assumes you can find a free charger of course. Biggest problem I have with most EVs is the styling, it’s like they’ve been designed with dullness in mind. Model X looks like a Moomin, especially in white.
It's relevant because it's HIS experience. Feel free to ignore it. Google tells me there are lots of cars that aren't EV's available to you.Who knew. Did Google also tell you that 15 mins at a supercharger will give you 200 miles? So there's your precious 15 mins.
But you know all this, you just have a weird obsession with cars you don't own.
740EVTORQUES said:
Group A: the people for whom the range of current EV's is a massive disadvantage and therefore don't buy EV's. In theory should be happy but seem to whine a lot about EV's ruining their lives. Also include people who can't afford a new car, always buy used and yet complain about the price of new cars, specifically blaming EV's for this issue.
Group B: the people for whom EV's are perfectly fine, bought an EV and are very happy with all the other improvements they bring
Group C: the people for whom EV's currently don't work, but who bought one anyway. one question, why?
Group D: the people who believe all the BS spouted here and elsewhere and who really could be in Group B, but who are labouring on with their petrol or diesel cars
Which are you?
You've missed one group E: people who do not believe all the BS spouted on here for whom an EV could currently work but don't have one because the market for new vehicles doesn't yet provide a vehicle that is suitable for their use case for genuine reasons completely other than because it's an EV. Those people are keeping watch on developments and will happily change to EV at the next opportunity when a) they need to change vehicle and b) a suitable one becomes available in a design and/or at a price point they are willing to pay, be that new or used.Group B: the people for whom EV's are perfectly fine, bought an EV and are very happy with all the other improvements they bring
Group C: the people for whom EV's currently don't work, but who bought one anyway. one question, why?
Group D: the people who believe all the BS spouted here and elsewhere and who really could be in Group B, but who are labouring on with their petrol or diesel cars
Which are you?
In the meantime they see these pages partly filled with childish crap spouted by some on both sides of the tribalism and
FiF said:
You've missed one group E: people who do not believe all the BS spouted on here for whom an EV could currently work but don't have one because the market for new vehicles doesn't yet provide a vehicle that is suitable for their use case for genuine reasons completely other than because it's an EV. Those people are keeping watch on developments and will happily change to EV at the next opportunity when a) they need to change vehicle and b) a suitable one becomes available in a design and/or at a price point they are willing to pay, be that new or used.
And this was me until this year.GT9 said:
rowley birkin said:
Group E: the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's.
I'm in Group F, the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars whilst appreciating the opportunities that EVs present for the longer term.TheRainMaker said:
Dave200 said:
What about people like me who've had a EV for a couple of years that can do a real 300+ miles in cold weather?
You have had an EV for a couple of years which will do 300+ in cold weather?Which one is that?, there are not many new ones that can do that.
Seasonal Hero said:
wormus said:
And a sample of one is significant because?….
Ask somebody travelling across a large continent like Australia or America if 300 miles is adequate. Besides, there’s a difference between stopping for a wee or to stretch your legs vs being forced to refuel. Google tells me time taken to recharge a Tesla with a supercharger is one hour, which is about 45 minutes longer than I want to spend in any services. That assumes you can find a free charger of course. Biggest problem I have with most EVs is the styling, it’s like they’ve been designed with dullness in mind. Model X looks like a Moomin, especially in white.
How often are you driving your car across Australia? Ask somebody travelling across a large continent like Australia or America if 300 miles is adequate. Besides, there’s a difference between stopping for a wee or to stretch your legs vs being forced to refuel. Google tells me time taken to recharge a Tesla with a supercharger is one hour, which is about 45 minutes longer than I want to spend in any services. That assumes you can find a free charger of course. Biggest problem I have with most EVs is the styling, it’s like they’ve been designed with dullness in mind. Model X looks like a Moomin, especially in white.
It's relevant because it's HIS experience. Feel free to ignore it. Google tells me there are lots of cars that aren't EV's available to you.Who knew. Did Google also tell you that 15 mins at a supercharger will give you 200 miles? So there's your precious 15 mins.
But you know all this, you just have a weird obsession with cars you don't own.
wormus said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Dave200 said:
What about people like me who've had a EV for a couple of years that can do a real 300+ miles in cold weather? I've had absolutely no issues with range at all. In fact I've been closer to running out of petrol in my other car than I have been to running out of EV juice. Does my experience count?
No - it counts for nothing when compared to someone who has never run an EV.Ask somebody travelling across a large continent like Australia or America if 300 miles is adequate. Besides, there’s a difference between stopping for a wee or to stretch your legs vs being forced to refuel. Google tells me time taken to recharge a Tesla with a supercharger is one hour, which is about 45 minutes longer than I want to spend in any services. That assumes you can find a free charger of course. Biggest problem I have with most EVs is the styling, it’s like they’ve been designed with dullness in mind. Model X looks like a Moomin, especially in white.
pti said:
GT9 said:
rowley birkin said:
Group E: the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars without listening to others banging on about EV's.
I'm in Group F, the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars whilst appreciating the opportunities that EVs present for the longer term.Group F, the people who just want to enjoy their petrol cars whilst appreciating the opportunities that EVs present for the longer term and confused as to why a fatal construction flaw in recent automobiles that prevents me from escaping from the car when it become submerged is so important.
wormus said:
I’ve highlighted the relevant point in your rant. Some of us just don’t want an EV because of personal preference, yet that doesn’t seem to be an acceptable PoV, in spite of the thread’s title. Rather than be allowed to talk about all the things we don’t like about them, the passive aggressive electro nerds have descended to tell us with rage why we are wrong. You may love your electric car, good on you, it’s just some of us make other choices.
There is literally no-one here telling you you can't have the car you do. I don't give a st what you drive - so it puzzles me that you care about what I or others do (for the record both ICE and EV). Also noted how you highlighted the part you felt that could safely reply to whilst ignoring the rest because they don't suit your tedious narrative.In the meantime keep pointing out utterly irrelevant things like 'but I can't drive across America'.
Seasonal Hero said:
wormus said:
I’ve highlighted the relevant point in your rant. Some of us just don’t want an EV because of personal preference, yet that doesn’t seem to be an acceptable PoV, in spite of the thread’s title. Rather than be allowed to talk about all the things we don’t like about them, the passive aggressive electro nerds have descended to tell us with rage why we are wrong. You may love your electric car, good on you, it’s just some of us make other choices.
There is literally no-one here telling you you can't have the car you do. I don't give a st what you drive - so it puzzles me that you care about what I or others do (for the record both ICE and EV). Also noted how you highlighted the part you felt that could safely reply to whilst ignoring the rest because they don't suit your tedious narrative.In the meantime keep pointing out utterly irrelevant things like 'but I can't drive across America'.
TheRainMaker said:
That has nothing to do with the question
It has everything to do with the question. Why would anyone need a car that can do 300 miles non-stop in winter? As the guy said, his Model 3 could - but as almost everyone stops on a drive of 4 hours+, who cares.I spent 20 years driving diesels up and down. 50k miles a year at the peak. How far the thing would go non-stop was never an issue as I always did what everyone else did - took a break because need a wee / hungry / need to call someone / bored etc etc etc.
There is no real world need for any car to do 500 miles on a single tank because practically nobody drives like that. Its FUD, and pretty laughable FUD as well.
TheRainMaker said:
What you did was link to the American website, which isn't really relevant here in the UK.
Apologies if you are in the US.
I'm not. So fair point.Apologies if you are in the US.
From the UK site:
Charging speeds vary slightly by model.
Vehicle Supercharge Speed
Model S Up to 200 miles in 15 minutes
Model 3 Up to 171 miles in 15 minutes
Model X Up to 175 miles in 15 minutes
Model Y Up to 150 miles in 15 minutes
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