EVs... no one wants them!

[Dave200]

NDA said:

stevemcs said:

Brakes always tend to be in very poor condition, Tesla seem to be the worst but thats most likely down to how they brake.

I do think EV owners don't maintain there cars in the same way as traditional cars, I put this down to the fact there is no oil to change so the owners think they don't need a service.

The manufacturers don't think they need a service either.

I've just had my Tesla MOT'd after 45,000 miles (with no servicing), the brakes are in pretty much new condition as they're rarely used. I wonder why you're seeing so many Tesla's with brakes in very poor condition? Rusty discs?

My discs tend to look a bit rusty from time to time because I've only driven it with max regen which means that they don't really get used much. Probably true of all EVs I expect. Nothing really worth worrying about.

[clockworks]

wormus said:

Hmmm so that 15 minutes on a supercharger we were talking about to get you 150 miles will kill your battery? Doesn’t sound as good as the 450-600 miles you’ll get from filling an ICE car with a tank of fuel in 5 minutes. At 80% battery capacity, I wonder what the range is? Surely it’s the equivalent of buying a second hand phone that can barely make it through the day on a single charge? Meanwhile an ICE will do 250k miles with the same range and fuel efficiency. Doesn’t sound much progress to me.

No doubt some angry, small man will be along in a moment to tell me I’m wrong.

I've owned plenty of cars in the past 45 years.
I've never had a petrol car that would do 450 miles on a tank. Some would barely do 300.
I think I've owned just one diesel car that was capable of 600 miles, driven with care.

[TheRainMaker]

Dave200 said:

NDA said:

stevemcs said:

Brakes always tend to be in very poor condition, Tesla seem to be the worst but thats most likely down to how they brake.

I do think EV owners don't maintain there cars in the same way as traditional cars, I put this down to the fact there is no oil to change so the owners think they don't need a service.

The manufacturers don't think they need a service either.

I've just had my Tesla MOT'd after 45,000 miles (with no servicing), the brakes are in pretty much new condition as they're rarely used. I wonder why you're seeing so many Tesla's with brakes in very poor condition? Rusty discs?

My discs tend to look a bit rusty from time to time because I've only driven it with max regen which means that they don't really get used much. Probably true of all EVs I expect. Nothing really worth worrying about.

I think the Polestar does a disk-clearing type thing every time you first drive off; the disks always look clean and shiny.

They had problems with the pads sticking when the cars were first launched. It's all gone quiet on that front now, so somehow, they have fixed it.

[JAMSXR]

Just sold my wife’s 2019 X1 to WBAC. It’s averaged 31mpg over the last 3 years, and although it had a nice leather interior there was no CarPlay or reverse camera. For an extra £2k we’ve got a 2021 Model 3. Seems crazy that for so little uplift I can get hold of so much more car - I suppose I’ve got all the government EV incentives to thank for the glut of supply.

I’m not a big EV or Tesla fan, I would actually rather have something else but they offer the best bang for buck.

I suspect I’ll use the Tesla over my RS4 more regularly than I did the X1.

[TheBinarySheep]

Dave200 said:

Same story here. 15k and 2 years and all I've done is replace wiper blades and fill screen wash. Tyres were new when we bought it and there's still useful tread left. It might not be exciting but it's stupidly cheap and easy to own.

To counter that, my 4 year old model 3 has cost me £85 in servicing (excluding tyres). That's for an MOT and break fluid change.

[FiF]

Apologies for the joke, "break fluid change" that's stopping at the services for having a piss and buying a coffee, yes?

[Essarell]

given the obvious excitement and momentum (albeit with limited range) surrounding EV how are the sales going? i noticed that even Dec & Ant have a BYD as part of their win the ads section of SNT. I must admit the best laugh of the show was them boasting it had a prize value of 39K.........

Just looking at Mercedes, a brand i've happily supported over the years, MB UK's website has 1 2024 EQE, Autotrader has 2, they must be flying out of the showrooms?

in fairness to Porsha, they don't look fazed, only 76 24 MY Taycans, I'm guessing most buyers are waiting the new Macan trip hazard, newer tech? better range etc etc?

[D4rez]

Essarell said:

given the obvious excitement and momentum (albeit with limited range) surrounding EV how are the sales going? i noticed that even Dec & Ant have a BYD as part of their win the ads section of SNT. I must admit the best laugh of the show was them boasting it had a prize value of 39K.........

Just looking at Mercedes, a brand i've happily supported over the years, MB UK's website has 1 2024 EQE, Autotrader has 2, they must be flying out of the showrooms?

in fairness to Porsha, they don't look fazed, only 76 24 MY Taycans, I'm guessing most buyers are waiting the new Macan trip hazard, newer tech? better range etc etc?

18% share and climbing, the ZEV will focus manufacturers in terms of incentives and push. £15k fine per car at risk

[Ankh87]

I've found James May's view on BEVs rather interesting. I'm completely with him on the view of if it took 2 minutes to charge up 150 miles then more people would be fine with EVs but because it still takes an absolute age to charge up such a small amount.


https://youtu.be/vQY-VeA87cM?si=ihW9oByGPZFvDTJW

[anonymous-user]

clockworks said:

wormus said:

Hmmm so that 15 minutes on a supercharger we were talking about to get you 150 miles will kill your battery? Doesn’t sound as good as the 450-600 miles you’ll get from filling an ICE car with a tank of fuel in 5 minutes. At 80% battery capacity, I wonder what the range is? Surely it’s the equivalent of buying a second hand phone that can barely make it through the day on a single charge? Meanwhile an ICE will do 250k miles with the same range and fuel efficiency. Doesn’t sound much progress to me.

No doubt some angry, small man will be along in a moment to tell me I’m wrong.

I've owned plenty of cars in the past 45 years.
I've never had a petrol car that would do 450 miles on a tank. Some would barely do 300.
I think I've owned just one diesel car that was capable of 600 miles, driven with care.

My diesel discovery does 450-500 miles on a full tank.

[740EVTORQUES]

wormus said:

My diesel discovery does 450-500 miles on a full tank.

Many people would rather walk than drive a diesel Discovery though.

[Essarell]

D4rez said:

Essarell said:

given the obvious excitement and momentum (albeit with limited range) surrounding EV how are the sales going? i noticed that even Dec & Ant have a BYD as part of their win the ads section of SNT. I must admit the best laugh of the show was them boasting it had a prize value of 39K.........

Just looking at Mercedes, a brand i've happily supported over the years, MB UK's website has 1 2024 EQE, Autotrader has 2, they must be flying out of the showrooms?

in fairness to Porsha, they don't look fazed, only 76 24 MY Taycans, I'm guessing most buyers are waiting the new Macan trip hazard, newer tech? better range etc etc?

18% share and climbing, the ZEV will focus manufacturers in terms of incentives and push. £15k fine per car at risk

The thought that car manufacturers will be fined 15K if i don't purchase a 2.5t cable holder for my drive does not in itself "sweeten the deal" that's a problem for the car companies and associated governments.

Our leaders have bet the economy on a green revolution that's currently dragging itself thru treacle, the technology is failing (smart meters) jobs are being lost, the record high cost of energy and vehicles will affect businesses in every sector.

Who will blink first? the buying public (who aren't exactly flush with cash) or the economy (ditto)?

[GT9]

wormus said:

My diesel discovery does 450-500 miles on a full tank.

With a full tank, you could probably also take out at least 2 airport carparks in one go.

[CSK423]

I see the Audi RS E tron GT is tumbling in value, £135k cars going for £85k.

Where will it end for EVs

[T_S_M]

wormus said:

clockworks said:

wormus said:

Hmmm so that 15 minutes on a supercharger we were talking about to get you 150 miles will kill your battery? Doesn’t sound as good as the 450-600 miles you’ll get from filling an ICE car with a tank of fuel in 5 minutes. At 80% battery capacity, I wonder what the range is? Surely it’s the equivalent of buying a second hand phone that can barely make it through the day on a single charge? Meanwhile an ICE will do 250k miles with the same range and fuel efficiency. Doesn’t sound much progress to me.

No doubt some angry, small man will be along in a moment to tell me I’m wrong.

I've owned plenty of cars in the past 45 years.
I've never had a petrol car that would do 450 miles on a tank. Some would barely do 300.
I think I've owned just one diesel car that was capable of 600 miles, driven with care.

My diesel discovery does 450-500 miles on a full tank.

So around £120 to do 500 miles (assuming 80L tank and £1.53/litre).

My E-tron (of a similar size to a Discovery) costs £12 to do the same miles charging up at home.

Admittedly, that doesn't include charging at public chargers but purely from a financial perspective the savings can't be ignored for the majority of people, NOT EVERYONE. That's before you get to the £500+/year tax on the Discovery and the cost of servicing etc.

ETA: Someone might correct my maths, but doing 15k miles a year, that works out to £3600 in fuel alone for a Discovery, vs £350 a year for the E-tron (charged up exclusively at home). An extra £3,000 a year in fuel alone!

Edited by T_S_M on Thursday 28th March 11:23

Edited by T_S_M on Thursday 28th March 11:25

[FWIW]

Ankh87 said:

I've found James May's view on BEVs rather interesting. I'm completely with him on the view of if it took 2 minutes to charge up 150 miles then more people would be fine with EVs but because it still takes an absolute age to charge up such a small amount.

https://youtu.be/vQY-VeA87cM?si=ihW9oByGPZFvDTJW

It doesn't take 'an age', but it's a moot point anyway; many people never (or rarely) need to charge away from home.

[Seasonal Hero]

FWIW said:

It doesn't take 'an age', but it's a moot point anyway; many people never (or rarely) need to charge away from home.

It seems that Ankh is another poster who goes looking for problems that don’t exist day to day for the vast majority of EV drivers.

[dmsims]

Thanks for that:

https://doctorsagainstdiesel.uk/

wormus said:

My diesel discovery does 450-500 miles on a full tank.

[Dave200]

Ankh87 said:

I've found James May's view on BEVs rather interesting. I'm completely with him on the view of if it took 2 minutes to charge up 150 miles then more people would be fine with EVs but because it still takes an absolute age to charge up such a small amount.


https://youtu.be/vQY-VeA87cM?si=ihW9oByGPZFvDTJW

I guess the measure of "an absolute age" is relative. On a supercharger my car takes about 10-15 minutes to add 150 miles, depending on various factors. Not as quick as a splash and dash, but hardly the end of the world or a dealbreaker.

[NDA]

FWIW said:

It doesn't take 'an age', but it's a moot point anyway; many people never (or rarely) need to charge away from home.

Also, a point rarely made, is that 'refuelling' is a very different habit with an EV.

With my petrol cars I generally drive to nearly empty and then fill to the brim.

With my EV it's never driven to empty and never charged to 100%. It's always sipping volts overnight and, on the rare occasions I would use a supercharger it's charged just enough to get me home or to the next charger. Could be 30 - 60% for example.

It would be once in a blue moon that you'd charge from 0 - 100% - if ever. Most charges, as above, are overnight or 15 minute quickies.