EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
Chuffedmonkey said:
CABC said:
if it was the Outlander that's a tax dodge car and a fail at so many levels.
for the future, petrol generator yes, but not drivetrain. I feel governments haven't helped the transition by promoting (poor) hybrids and not the infrastructure.
Poor infrastructure I agree. I do 400 to 600 mile a week and could charge at home but I own a non charge Hybrid, I cant charge it as it works hand in hand with the engine. However I get 50-58 MPG with a 2 liter petrol engine, 400 miles for around £ 50. Hybrids are good so I don't agree with your poor hybrid statement.for the future, petrol generator yes, but not drivetrain. I feel governments haven't helped the transition by promoting (poor) hybrids and not the infrastructure.
When I change in a year or several, as I plan on keeping this car for a while, ill look at Electric or keep the tech I am used too.
I've noticed a fair few Prius with less than impressive mpg, though I'll concede their batteries might be well past their best.
Boringvolvodriver said:
Mind you aren’t the latest diesels supposed to be clean enough not to be charged for the ULEZ?
I would rather the narrative was that electric cars are better for clean air (which undoubtedly they are) than for the CO2 emissions causing climate change.
Why, because even when fuelled from a mixed renewable/ fossil fuel grid like in the U.K. every lifecycle analysis shows that BEVs have at most 1/2 the lifetime CO2 emissions of a similar IVE vehicle and in most cases substantially less.I would rather the narrative was that electric cars are better for clean air (which undoubtedly they are) than for the CO2 emissions causing climate change.
So it’s not just that they have lower local emissions.
Essarell said:
Maracus said:
Seasonal Hero said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
When I originally switched to running two electric cars, one my myself and one for my wife, we decided initially to keep our older s-max as a spare, just in case. In the end, we found we never needed it or used it, and so we sold it, figuring I could always hire a car for the odd day we might need something different. In the end, we have never needed to do that either.
I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
No you’re wrong. You are only able to drive it to the next post code. It’ll run out in 15 miles. You need either a diesel Discovery or a Panda. I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024010953...
BYD, keeping oppressive, communist states in power so we can s
t on our own economy but in a green, virtuous signalling way?
Dave200 said:
The problem is that it's possible to have a car charger installed that doesn't talk to the grid as I have. In that scenario it's impossible for the energy companies to tell what I'm using that overnight cheap energy rate for.
yes - and the opposite is true where you can run your house during the day using cheap overnight ev charging tariffs. But things will change because they will have to,
Essarell said:
FWIW said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Whilst also running an ICE that keeps oppressive petro-chemical states in power.
Underrated comment. Reason enough to go full BEV, IMO.World’s largest ev producer is still building coal fired stations.
EddieSteadyGo said:
I suspect in the future, people won't believe how our current society cared so little about the quality of air that we breathe.
Anyway, as far as I’m aware most people do care. It’s only recently we’ve had a choice, and rushing out and buying an EV doesn’t make it all better. Needs must and ICE has been a vital tool for a good few generations, why would people have contempt for it.
Edited by JAMSXR on Friday 29th March 22:28
I practice bangernomics. My most recent purchase was a 1997 K11 Micra, bought unseen online, for £450. Fitted 1.3 engine, Webers etc, huge fun and puts a smile on my face every time. EVs will kill off that cheapskate approach to motoring. The batteries are snookered after a few years; and EV motoring will become just another dreary bourgeois exercise in white goods upmanship. Anyone who thinks that masses of torque and power makes for a satisfying sports car knows zip about driving. Most big fast heavy modern turbo ICE exec cars are dull to drive already, and big fast heavy EVs are merely a continuation of that boring trend. I'll happily get an EV for family duties once the range stops being a fraudulent joke, but i'm not about to confuse effortless speed with interactive fun.
MF35 said:
I practice bangernomics. My most recent purchase was a 1997 K11 Micra, bought unseen online, for £450. Fitted 1.3 engine, Webers etc, huge fun and puts a smile on my face every time. EVs will kill off that cheapskate approach to motoring. The batteries are snookered after a few years; and EV motoring will become just another dreary bourgeois exercise in white goods upmanship. Anyone who thinks that masses of torque and power makes for a satisfying sports car knows zip about driving. Most big fast heavy modern turbo ICE exec cars are dull to drive already, and big fast heavy EVs are merely a continuation of that boring trend. I'll happily get an EV for family duties once the range stops being a fraudulent joke, but i'm not about to confuse effortless speed with interactive fun.
I suspect my Tesla is a lot more enjoyable to drive than a knackered old Micra.Seasonal Hero said:
Can anyone imagine a world where people like different things to other people?
I don't know, can you?Seasonal Hero said:
Yeah but it’s got a 1.3 with Webers and anyone who drives anything any power or torque knows nothing about driving.
I guess not.EV fanboys are by far and way the biggest joykillers of automotive culture.
RayDonovan said:
Comparing a 17 year old shed to modern day EVs really is stretching it. 
A Micra ffs..
QED.A Micra ffs..
An EV is a car minus the things I like most about driving. I'd much rather hack a carb'd Micra down a B-road than some fat, numb, silent EV where you just sit there with nothing to do or think about.
I really don't understand why the EV fanboy contingent seem so intent on trying to convert people to their personal idea of fun. It's like having someone get really pissy with you because you don't care how much memory their new laptop's got.
The people you need to convert are the school run mums and photocopier salesmen who think the cars won't work for them. Rather than trying desperately to tell everyone that everything's fine and you're just a moronic luddite if you disagree, you ought to concede that yes, for many people EVs are going to be a pain in the arse and we need better charging infrastructure. That's how you're going to get the disinterested masses to accept driving an EV, by acknowledging the issues, not insulting people.
It's the masses you need to convert, not the people who enjoy driving an ICV.
I can yes. Very clearly. Which is why I don’t launch myself into a Micra thread to tell you what you’re driving is st, and why you’re wrong and that you know nothing about driving.
Labelling people fanboys for liking something you don’t is fatuous and sad. Try to not do it.
t, and why you’re wrong and that you know nothing about driving. Labelling people fanboys for liking something you don’t is fatuous and sad. Try to not do it.
Edited by Seasonal Hero on Saturday 30th March 08:29
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