EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
I find it funny that many of the enthusiasts who bemoan the death ICE are buzzing about in modern 4-pot, DCT, premium German performance cars with a synthesised “soundscape” or a modern classic with a 6-pot. Either way their lives won’t change unless they see themselves someday buying a new exotic car which let’s face it will never ever happen
JackJarvis said:
These threads always seem to deal with extreme comparisons only. Comparing EVs to a 27 year old Micra, or V8 powered sports cars etc. In reality I think the majority of EVs on the road have replaced something like a 320d, or some other dull generic 4 pot. Are we really going to miss those? Aside from range an EV is better in every way, by a long long way.
These threads also seem to ignore the fact its possible to own more than one car. Most EV owners I know also own an ICE car. It's fine to like and enjoy both.
This is the point, my company car history in reverse has been I4, Polestar, Tesla, BMW 330e, BMW 335d (not mapped) etc, it’s evolution, most people move with the times.These threads also seem to ignore the fact its possible to own more than one car. Most EV owners I know also own an ICE car. It's fine to like and enjoy both.
I have also had a fair number of very good sports cars and keep looking at another but a massive house renovation is getting in the way and leaves me little time. Having said that I do keep thinking a V12 Vantage will be a nice little keeper.
I don't own an EV but pretty sure my next car will be one.
My days of owning small, light sports cars are over so I'm looking at something bigger than can accommodate a child or two.
I could go for a second hand BMW of some sort but why would I when for the same price I could have Tesla Model 3 performance that is significantly faster, significantly cheaper on fuel and significantly cheaper on maintenance.
The only downside to it is the upfront cost of having a charger installed at home as £1000 would buy a lot of fuel, but the charger should last me over several cars and will recoup it's outlay within around 30,000 miles.
The only downside is I wouldn't want to drive to Le Mans in one, but luckily I've got enough friends who are very anti EV so that isn't too much of a problem. Think the only journey I make in the UK of any significant distance is up to Oulton Park, but that's only a 150 mile round trip.
My days of owning small, light sports cars are over so I'm looking at something bigger than can accommodate a child or two.
I could go for a second hand BMW of some sort but why would I when for the same price I could have Tesla Model 3 performance that is significantly faster, significantly cheaper on fuel and significantly cheaper on maintenance.
The only downside to it is the upfront cost of having a charger installed at home as £1000 would buy a lot of fuel, but the charger should last me over several cars and will recoup it's outlay within around 30,000 miles.
The only downside is I wouldn't want to drive to Le Mans in one, but luckily I've got enough friends who are very anti EV so that isn't too much of a problem. Think the only journey I make in the UK of any significant distance is up to Oulton Park, but that's only a 150 mile round trip.
clockworks said:
I used to like engine/exhaust noise.
I took the baffles out of my 2 stroke motorbike, thought it was cool to make loads of noise.
My Westfield had almost straight- through pipes.
I opened up my 964 911 whenever I could. Same with the Boxster S.
Loved the supercharger whine from from my Cooper S.
The pops and bangs from my stock 595 Abarth were mildly entertaining.
Nowadays I prefer the silence of electric. I can go as fast as I like without annoying other people, or attracting attention from the authorities.
Some may call me an old fart, I call it growing up.
Yep. I still miss the noise from some of my old cars now and again, but for 99% of driving the EV is just so much nicer. And getting in it at 4am to go to work, pre-warmed and silent is infinitely better than wincing at the noise when it starts up! I took the baffles out of my 2 stroke motorbike, thought it was cool to make loads of noise.
My Westfield had almost straight- through pipes.
I opened up my 964 911 whenever I could. Same with the Boxster S.
Loved the supercharger whine from from my Cooper S.
The pops and bangs from my stock 595 Abarth were mildly entertaining.
Nowadays I prefer the silence of electric. I can go as fast as I like without annoying other people, or attracting attention from the authorities.
Some may call me an old fart, I call it growing up.
I think people have a romantic notion (certainly on enthusiast groups) that every trip is some kind of spirited drive down a lovely quiet country road, when let’s be honest that kind of journey is rare for anyone that has a normal day-to-day life and that’s not what EV’s are being bought to replace.
I don’t think I’ll even buy a ‘weekend’ car for those types of drives because the amount of time it would get used just isn’t worth it.
Unreal said:
I call it choice. I respect yours. In return I expect respect for mine.
You choice, like smoking, is damaging to the people around you. That’s why, like smoking, your choice is being taken away from you because you can’t be trusted to do it yourself, and forward thinking people don’t respect your choice. Chucky-egg said:
clockworks said:
I used to like engine/exhaust noise.
I took the baffles out of my 2 stroke motorbike, thought it was cool to make loads of noise.
My Westfield had almost straight- through pipes.
I opened up my 964 911 whenever I could. Same with the Boxster S.
Loved the supercharger whine from from my Cooper S.
The pops and bangs from my stock 595 Abarth were mildly entertaining.
Nowadays I prefer the silence of electric. I can go as fast as I like without annoying other people, or attracting attention from the authorities.
Some may call me an old fart, I call it growing up.
Yep. I still miss the noise from some of my old cars now and again, but for 99% of driving the EV is just so much nicer. And getting in it at 4am to go to work, pre-warmed and silent is infinitely better than wincing at the noise when it starts up! I took the baffles out of my 2 stroke motorbike, thought it was cool to make loads of noise.
My Westfield had almost straight- through pipes.
I opened up my 964 911 whenever I could. Same with the Boxster S.
Loved the supercharger whine from from my Cooper S.
The pops and bangs from my stock 595 Abarth were mildly entertaining.
Nowadays I prefer the silence of electric. I can go as fast as I like without annoying other people, or attracting attention from the authorities.
Some may call me an old fart, I call it growing up.
I think people have a romantic notion (certainly on enthusiast groups) that every trip is some kind of spirited drive down a lovely quiet country road, when let’s be honest that kind of journey is rare for anyone that has a normal day-to-day life and that’s not what EV’s are being bought to replace.
I don’t think I’ll even buy a ‘weekend’ car for those types of drives because the amount of time it would get used just isn’t worth it.
A weekend car isn't worth it for you. Great, don't buy one. They are for me. Several of them. Neither of us is wrong.
When I need a replacement car for everyday uninteresting journeys, EVs will go into the potential pool. The more EVs depreciate the better from that perspective because they become available to so many more people.
Until then it is wholly unrealistic to expect people to get rid of a perfectly servicable ICE vehicle in favour of an EV and shell out a fortune in the process. Some don't want to but even more can't.
It will work itself out the way these things always do and in the meantime drivers of all types of vehicles should respect the choice of others and not try to impose their views or mock that choice.
CheesecakeRunner said:
Unreal said:
I call it choice. I respect yours. In return I expect respect for mine.
You choice, like smoking, is damaging to the people around you. That’s why, like smoking, your choice is being taken away from you because you can’t be trusted to do it yourself, and forward thinking people don’t respect your choice. CheesecakeRunner said:
Unreal said:
I call it choice. I respect yours. In return I expect respect for mine.
You choice, like smoking, is damaging to the people around you. That’s why, like smoking, your choice is being taken away from you because you can’t be trusted to do it yourself, and forward thinking people don’t respect your choice. Chucky-egg said:
I think people have a romantic notion (certainly on enthusiast groups) that every trip is some kind of spirited drive down a lovely quiet country road, when let’s be honest that kind of journey is rare for anyone that has a normal day-to-day life and that’s not what EV’s are being bought to replace.
Those days seem long since getting older and the amount of slow moving traffic that seems to conspire to ruin the few times I get to drive alone on a nice windy road.That said the feeling of a car even on these non spirited drives can provide some degree of pleasure, just “feeling nicer”. My back to back comparison was a 330i and i4 edrive 40 and the additional weight and less nimble feel of the i4 was very noticeable. The performance of either is almost irrelevant most of the time. Once on the move most of the noise is tyre roar I can’t say I noticed much difference other than slow speed manoeuvring and acceleration. Personally I prefer to have some engine sound when accelerating but that is just preference, the big deal though was the handling feel even at the sedate non driving god speeds I go at these days.
Yet it's whichever crowd is the focus of accusations about throwing childish insults when most pages amply demonstrate it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
So tiresome and detracts from any discussion.
Wind in the also frequent " well this is the solution that fits me, my use case and financial circumstances or choices and therefore that's *the* right one for others, so there!" and one wonders how many pages of the thread could be removed without losing anything much of benefit.
So tiresome and detracts from any discussion.
Wind in the also frequent " well this is the solution that fits me, my use case and financial circumstances or choices and therefore that's *the* right one for others, so there!" and one wonders how many pages of the thread could be removed without losing anything much of benefit.
CheesecakeRunner said:
You choice, like smoking, is damaging to the people around you. That’s why, like smoking, your choice is being taken away from you because you can’t be trusted to do it yourself, and forward thinking people don’t respect your choice.
When ICE cars are gone the people who want to protect the environment will start targeting EVs for the damage they do. Are you going to be so 'forward thinking' then?Essarell said:
The pro EV comments run along the lines of, “EV for round the doors and ice for when we need to travel farther than the next postcode “ The government mandate means we now have 2.5 t cordless vehicles on our city streets, who would have thought that this unintended consequence would befall us?
If it’s a cheap, reliable, practical car that’s required then why not one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024031375...
Cool as a penguins undercarriage
Can’t pull a caravan for 600 miles without stopping though.If it’s a cheap, reliable, practical car that’s required then why not one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024031375...
Cool as a penguins undercarriage
Cars are getting bigger because that’s what folks want.
FiF said:
Wind in the also frequent " well this is the solution that fits me, my use case and financial circumstances or choices and therefore that's *the* right one for others, so there!" and one wonders how many pages of the thread could be removed without losing anything much of benefit.
Can you point to a single example of this?Unreal said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
Unreal said:
I call it choice. I respect yours. In return I expect respect for mine.
You choice, like smoking, is damaging to the people around you. That’s why, like smoking, your choice is being taken away from you because you can’t be trusted to do it yourself, and forward thinking people don’t respect your choice. Dave200 said:
FiF said:
Wind in the also frequent " well this is the solution that fits me, my use case and financial circumstances or choices and therefore that's *the* right one for others, so there!" and one wonders how many pages of the thread could be removed without losing anything much of benefit.
Can you point to a single example of this?FiF said:
Really! It's implicit in so many responses.
Really?What I'm seeing here is a refusal from some ICE only drivers to accept that an EV might suit someone better, that they might enjoy it. and that it is the right decision for THEM.
I haven't once suggested that anyone else should drive an EV. Simply that for my use case it's a very good shout. And I buy a car based on only my use case.
Seasonal Hero said:
FiF said:
Really! It's implicit in so many responses.
Really?What I'm seeing here is a refusal from some ICE only drivers to accept that an EV might suit someone better, that they might enjoy it. and that it is the right decision for THEM.
I haven't once suggested that anyone else should drive an EV. Simply that for my use case it's a very good shout. And I buy a car based on only my use case.
You're asking for an example of where someone states the view explicitly and arguing that you have never done that which is probably true, I accept that. Yet there are many who post on this subject whose input is clearly implicit that their choice is the correct one, and it's done from both sides. So yes, really.
If you don't accept that then maybe you're part of the problem.
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