EVs... no one wants them!

[Maracus]

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

[MightyBadger]

Maracus said:

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

With radio and a/c on full blast the whole way

[Tindersticks]

740EVTORQUES said:

Unless European governments scale back their plans, the European manufacturers losing their nerve is just going to leave the field wide open for Tesla, the South Koreans and the Chinese surely?

Seems very short sighted.

No doubt there will be import tariffs (as with the USA looking to go from 25% to apparently 100%) - the end result of which is allowing the legacy makers to put out stty, inefficient vehicles as they are now while the Chinese hand their arses to them on plates. Great for the consumer as we get over-priced, worse cars.

https://insideevs.com/features/719015/china-is-ahe...

[EddieSteadyGo]

MightyBadger said:

Maracus said:

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

With radio and a/c on full blast the whole way

At -20 degrees.

[SWoll]

EddieSteadyGo said:

MightyBadger said:

Maracus said:

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

With radio and a/c on full blast the whole way

At -20 degrees.

Uphill for the entire journey.

[DonkeyApple]

740EVTORQUES said:

Unless European governments scale back their plans, the European manufacturers losing their nerve is just going to leave the field wide open for Tesla, the South Koreans and the Chinese surely?

Seems very short sighted.

The European mainland faces a manufacturing apocalypse not just via 2035 automotive production shift but the whole 2050 net zero problem.

The European islands, on the other hand, are pissing themselves laughing having deindustrialised 30 years ago and not caring where they import their cars or car parts from.

If one is European, it's a tremendously good time to be one of the island dwellers as you simply wouldn't be giving a damn. The fact that one's VW in the next decade is likely to have been put together in China, India or somewhere in Asia generally is of no concern in island life.

[moktabe]

SWoll said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

MightyBadger said:

Maracus said:

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

With radio and a/c on full blast the whole way

At -20 degrees.

Uphill for the entire journey.

But surely the driver of said EV would have to pull over to type on here how good their choice of car is?

Also how they've managed to do the whole journey for the grand sum of £3.75.

Edited by moktabe on Tuesday 14th May 12:15

[sturge7878]

SWoll said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

MightyBadger said:

Maracus said:

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

With radio and a/c on full blast the whole way

At -20 degrees.

Uphill for the entire journey.

ICE has no problems doing any of that…

[otolith]

sturge7878 said:

SWoll said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

MightyBadger said:

Maracus said:

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

With radio and a/c on full blast the whole way

At -20 degrees.

Uphill for the entire journey.

ICE has no problems doing any of that…

Yeah, once ICE can also do a real world 150 miles per gallon on carbon neutral fuel we can think about bringing them back.

[confused_buyer]

Tindersticks said:

No doubt there will be import tariffs (as with the USA looking to go from 25% to apparently 100%) - the end result of which is allowing the legacy makers to put out stty, inefficient vehicles as they are now while the Chinese hand their arses to them on plates. Great for the consumer as we get over-priced, worse cars.

https://insideevs.com/features/719015/china-is-ahe...

I'm not sure European manufacturers are too keen on tariffs. Most of them make most of their profits in China and China will most probably retaliate.

[moktabe]

otolith said:

sturge7878 said:

SWoll said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

MightyBadger said:

Maracus said:

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

With radio and a/c on full blast the whole way

At -20 degrees.

Uphill for the entire journey.

ICE has no problems doing any of that…

Yeah, once ICE can also do a real world 150 miles per gallon on carbon neutral fuel we can think about bringing them back.

Might be an idea to mail someone in China with your ideological thoughts on carbon neutral fuel....or doesn't the wind blow this way from China?

https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/chinas-n...

[D4rez]

Mikehig said:

Autocar is reporting that Mercedes is scaling back plans for development of EV platforms and reducing sales projections:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...

If they’ve worked out that they need to put the focus on better battery tech to deliver 4-500 miles of range without making the cars look like a bar of soap then great. Oh and reducing prices by carrying less R&D burden then great. A brand new EV platform every 5 years is a hiding to ruin almost regardless of commercial performance

What we’re seeing right now in 2024 is the output of engineering thinking/largesse of 2020 with a 2021/2022 pricing approach. When that lot meets today’s interest rates, price war and demand blip it’s not pretty. They need to make good cars with reasonable prices - the EQE starts at about £75k for an E class..,

[DonkeyApple]

Mikehig said:

Autocar is reporting that Mercedes is scaling back plans for development of EV platforms and reducing sales projections:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...

This is what happens when your customer base can't afford driveways. Merc just need to go out and find some punters with the means to home charge or wait with Ford et al.

[otolith]

moktabe said:

Might be an idea to mail someone in China with your ideological thoughts on carbon neutral fuel....or doesn't the wind blow this way from China?

https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/chinas-n...

They're aware of it.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-ene...

[GT9]

sturge7878 said:

ICE has no problems doing any of that…

Appropriate page number for you to reappear.

[ChocolateFrog]

confused_buyer said:

Tindersticks said:

No doubt there will be import tariffs (as with the USA looking to go from 25% to apparently 100%) - the end result of which is allowing the legacy makers to put out stty, inefficient vehicles as they are now while the Chinese hand their arses to them on plates. Great for the consumer as we get over-priced, worse cars.

https://insideevs.com/features/719015/china-is-ahe...

I'm not sure European manufacturers are too keen on tariffs. Most of them make most of their profits in China and China will most probably retaliate.

Going to be interesting to see how it plays out. I think European makers with the exception of luxury brands (and I'm not talking about BMW, Merc and Audi) can essentially write-off making and selling cars in Europe if there are no tariffs.

[moktabe]

otolith said:

moktabe said:

Might be an idea to mail someone in China with your ideological thoughts on carbon neutral fuel....or doesn't the wind blow this way from China?

https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/chinas-n...

They're aware of it.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-ene...

Ah, so that makes it all better does it?

[raspy]

D4rez said:

If they’ve worked out that they need to put the focus on better battery tech to deliver 4-500 miles of range without making the cars look like a bar of soap then great. Oh and reducing prices by carrying less R&D burden then great. A brand new EV platform every 5 years is a hiding to ruin almost regardless of commercial performance

What we’re seeing right now in 2024 is the output of engineering thinking/largesse of 2020 with a 2021/2022 pricing approach. When that lot meets today’s interest rates, price war and demand blip it’s not pretty. They need to make good cars with reasonable prices - the EQE starts at about £75k for an E class..,

You hit the nail on the head. Even someone from MB admitted that EQS/EQE sold lower than they expected because people didn't like the design (which was aerodynamics driven for range)

I'm looking forward to getting an EQS for a bag of crisps in a few years time.

[Unreal]

moktabe said:

SWoll said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

MightyBadger said:

Maracus said:

loudlashadjuster said:

otolith said:

MrBogSmith said:

I guess if EVs can crack the “drive across Europe aimlessly” appeal, they manufacturers will be on to a winner.

While towing a boat.

At 180 km/h

Non stop for 7 hours.

With radio and a/c on full blast the whole way

At -20 degrees.

Uphill for the entire journey.

But surely the driver of said EV would have to pull over to type on here how good their choice of car is?

Also how they've managed to do the whole journey for the grand sum of £3.75.

Edited by moktabe on Tuesday 14th May 12:15

Even though saving money played no part in their their choice of vehicle.

[otolith]

moktabe said:

otolith said:

moktabe said:

Might be an idea to mail someone in China with your ideological thoughts on carbon neutral fuel....or doesn't the wind blow this way from China?

https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/chinas-n...

They're aware of it.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-ene...

Ah, so that makes it all better does it?

They are moving rapidly to renewables - faster than anyone else - while trying to keep the lights on and being the world's factory.

https://www.iea.org/news/massive-expansion-of-rene...

IEA said:

The amount of renewable energy capacity added to energy systems around the world grew by 50% in 2023, reaching almost 510 gigawatts (GW), with solar PV accounting for three-quarters of additions worldwide, according to Renewables 2023, the latest edition of the IEA’s annual market report on the sector. The largest growth took place in China, which commissioned as much solar PV in 2023 as the entire world did in 2022, while China’s wind power additions rose by 66% year-on-year. The increases in renewable energy capacity in Europe, the United States and Brazil also hit all-time highs.