powerful naturally aspirated v8 for £30k max

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what a v8 with a good torque to power ratio. £30k max

-4 doors or 4 seats minimum
-n / A
-with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat)
-preference for manual or automatic gearbox with manual mode

Thanks

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secret_stu said:

Audi B7 RS4? You’d could pick up a nice example and still pocket some change.

I have already tried the 4.2 Audi, it revs up!!!. but, I did not feel any type of acceleration (strong push in the seat), surely there is little torque for the weight

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E63eeeeee... said:

Pre face lift W212 E63 with the 6.2 NA V8 should be well within budget and tick the other boxes.

to remember yes. the m156 6.2 in version 204, 211 and 212.

Really big difference in torque compared to the Audi RS4 and the M3 E92. logically much more strong shove felt in the seat I think.

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KIWIRS said:

My two favorites, because life begins when your sideways..

Lexus GSF.

Holden Commodore SS or HSV Clubsport, bonus of having manual available.

surely a great car, but I just don't like the design

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CG2020UK said:

Never driven one but always thought the Jaguar Xfr-s was a great looking car even if supercharged.

Evo seemed to really rate it!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403227...

great car!!! but i'm only looking for na

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Does it tick all the cases I mentioned? absolute beauty of a car

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is magnificent, sounds sublime. Is there such a feeling of being pressed into the seat as I am looking for? otherwise you might as well go for the 63. I'm looking for a good feeling of acceleration

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bunchofkeys said:

OP you never mentioned the age of the car, to which would you consider a BMW M5 E39? Should be able to get a good one for £30k.
Also a Ford Mustang should fit the bill. Take a look in the classified section. You can tailor your search by engine spec and transmission.

between approximately 1990 and 2010
how is the acceleration of the m5 e39? I have heard some people say that you barely feel it. That the car doesn't feel "very fast" doesn't bother me, they are NA, they don't feel that fast, but I still want to have a noticeable "shove" on acceleration.

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Deranged Rover said:

Vauxhall VXR8

Like the Monaro, I don't like the exterior and interior.

otherwise I was told that the M273 5.5 in E500 Coupe or CLK500 form was excellent. torque noise, etc.

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30k£ ???

TVR Cerbera
Aston Martin Vantage

Ford Mustang: which model ???

BMW M3: e46 and e92 already done, very good but doesn't tick all the boxes for me

BMW 6 series: which model ??

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remedy said:

What is the reason for NA only? A supercharged V8 should be considered for the 'kick' you are looking for. Then you have access to the XKR or XFR with over 500bhp.
It's different to a turbo, strong acceleration and with a lovely accompanying whine as it spins up.

had a powerful turbo car, now I'm looking for a powerful car NA. I was never attracted to the compressor, maybe I'm wrong? but I don't like the moaning and in general cars have no crescendo of torque.

i just want na for:
-telepathic response from the accelerator
- sound
- simplicity
- crescendo delivery of torque
- red line above 6500rpm

Edited by Turbinox on Thursday 25th April 13:31

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T_S_M said:

Lexus ISF if you don't like the design of the GSF.

The ISF is just as quick as the GSF because of the weight difference and it's got a really strong mid-range. Does have a stiff ride but this can be sorted for a few hundred quid. You'll get a very good one for mid £20k.

Had mine for over a year and it's been fantastic.

Edited by T_S_M on Thursday 25th April 13:15

No lexus please

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the list seems to look like in descending order of preference:

63 amg 6.2 C or E class
m5 e39
qpv 4.7-cerbera

maybe clk 500 5.5? no reviews here at the moment

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davek_964 said:

Turbinox said:

what a v8 with a good torque to power ratio. £30k max

-4 doors or 4 seats minimum
-n / A
-with a really good feeling of (pushes your back into the seat)
-preference for manual or automatic gearbox with manual mode

Thanks

Seen the AM V8 Vantage mentioned a few times on this thread. The 4.7 might do that (I haven't driven one) but the 4.3 absolutely doesn't. It was one of the things I really disliked about its power delivery.
I haven't checked prices, but I'm surprised if 4.7s have dropped to below £30k now.

yes, things like rs4 b7 m3, vantage 4.3 don't have that feel, due to lack of torque I think.
the NA car has less feeling of kick and push than turbos in general because the rate of change of torque. but the big v8 torquey NA engines push you strongly on the seat according to the words and experience of the people who drove them

personally, maserati coupe 4.2, porsches 928, ml 55 amg, porsches cayman gts and 911 gt3 audi rs4 b7 and the m3 did not give me a "big" push like I was looking for.

Edited by Turbinox on Thursday 25th April 14:13

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m5 e39 climbs to more than 7000, 63 amg too, the ls2 and ls3 engines go towards 6500 it seems to me. actually the m156 seems the right candidate.these engines develop on average not far from 350 ft pound pf torque at 2500 rpm and more after some

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Are you after naturally aspirated because of how mushy and horrible turbos feel?

If so consider supercharged too, all the upsides of forced induction with none of the driveability downsides of turbos.



never said I was choosing NA because the turbos are horrible, and I don't think they are horrible, I just wish a different car.
I explained what I was looking for in my first message. I then explained again for what quality I wanted NA and only NA. so I repeat I don't like the sound of a supercharger, the throttle response will never be the same either, and finally the power is not delivered in the same way: all production cars that I saw: e55k, xkr, xjr etc have the same kind of torque curve that I don't want (very low torque peak, flat, and falls early)

Edited by Turbinox on Thursday 25th April 16:53

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I have driven quite a few NAs and been a passenger in many others. I really like the sound it makes, the construction crescendo of power and the nervousness, response but it lacks (shove in you back) well what I have tried so far, especially since I come from a old school turbo car 400hp+. the fact that it lacks this feeling can disappoint a little, I would like all the qualities listed above with that in addition. that's all

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yes, but it doesn't have the strong acceleration that I'm looking for. and not much low and torque

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GeniusOfLove said:

This is a typical PH "what shall I buy thread" with a set of impossible and mutually contradictory requirements.

"I want loads of low torque like a turbocharged or supercharged car but no forced induction of any sort"

You're going to need high displacement, but you want it to rev like a beast too, which means you need a car with a Mercedes M156. There are no other options.

If the kids hadn't all gone back to school after Easter I'd chalk it up as another one of those threads.

red line at 6500 seems a bit exaggerated, this is not in my initial message.
I don't think there's anything contradictory here. many vehicles were mentioned including the m156 of the c63 obviously. but there are other candidates like the m5 e39, the ls engine (even if I don't like the Monaro design etc. I'm not asking for torque like a turbo or a compressor besides that doesn't mean anything in itself. I especially talk about having a significant torque at low revs and good push in the seat.

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Patrick Bateman said:

Common theme for good reason I suspect...e39 M5 and some 6.2 V8 Mercedes variant.

No 6.2 experience but the M5 engine is brilliant for the road. 7200rpm redline, still does its best work at higher revs but very usable without having to wring its neck if you don't want to.

Bonus of being manual so more engaging than anything similar with paddles.

this seems to be the 2 best candidates in terms of 4 door salon