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scrounger73 said:
I watch a youtube video yesterday that did a real world test (well driving at 70mph in the US) on the new Macan E and they got 322 miles on a full charge with 1% battery left. Not bad really but I thing pricing will be a contributing factor on its success. If it's more expensive than the Q4 on which it share the platform and drivetrain then it may well struggle initially until the 2WD variant is released.
https://youtu.be/ab1AIGLpd_0?si=Mx-qx-WynJKDQ88n
We also have a Tesla as well as the CGTS and as it's a company car we aren't bothered about maintaining battery life in the ling term so we charge when we want to and always to 100% is doing so over night. If it were our own however, we'd probably run it down to 10% then charge to 80% to maintain the battery life. Nothing wrong in the odd 100% charge now and then though.
But they didn’t drive at 70 mph, they actually averaged 60? Also didn’t look like much in the way of start stop traffic like UK major roads I.E one minute doing 75 next minute down to 30 and back up again - which hammers efficiency.https://youtu.be/ab1AIGLpd_0?si=Mx-qx-WynJKDQ88n
We also have a Tesla as well as the CGTS and as it's a company car we aren't bothered about maintaining battery life in the ling term so we charge when we want to and always to 100% is doing so over night. If it were our own however, we'd probably run it down to 10% then charge to 80% to maintain the battery life. Nothing wrong in the odd 100% charge now and then though.
Also tested at the perfect temp for battery maximisation.
Inside EV Us tested a 2021 Taycan to 297 miles at a higher average speed (YouTube).
Basically I might expect this to go 8% further than a Taycan does based on the two comparative tests. Probably as expected given bigger battery but not quite as efficient drag. The face lifted Taycan with the same bigger battery will likely outperform the Macan but I wouldn’t say a 10% increase in range, although welcome, makes that much of a difference.
garystoybox said:
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Basically I might expect this to go 8% further than a Taycan does based on the two comparative tests. Probably as expected given bigger battery but not quite as efficient drag. The face lifted Taycan with the same bigger battery will likely outperform the Macan but I wouldn’t say a 10% increase in range, although welcome, makes that much of a difference.
Just watched it, totally agree.Basically I might expect this to go 8% further than a Taycan does based on the two comparative tests. Probably as expected given bigger battery but not quite as efficient drag. The face lifted Taycan with the same bigger battery will likely outperform the Macan but I wouldn’t say a 10% increase in range, although welcome, makes that much of a difference.
Slightly disappointed as was thinking there might be some software tweaks at play that could be used elsewhere, but doesn't really seem so.
Murph7355 said:
GT4RS said:
Terminator X said:
Murph7355 said:
Dr S said:
Well, whilst our current Macan is mainly used for shorter distances we do long-distance travel as well. A car that does not work on long journeys is irrelevant. Also, with my 7.2 GT3 I have done a range of long-distance trips (e.g. ~5h non-stop runs to the Ring - hail the 90 litre fuel tank) and a car that does not deliver this is irrelevant
To you.Not to "most people".
The number of people doing 5 hour non-stop drives to the 'Ring or anywhere is tiny.
When I first got my Caterham I drove to Spa and slept in it when I got there. Most people wouldn't. And I sure as hell wouldn't do it these days
I'm not suggesting that an EV is for everyone. I'm happy they're not - we're all different.
But there are plenty of arguments "against" on PH that don't stack up logically (some at all, some for "most people").
TX.
It wouldn't be starting off at zero in all likelihood as it would have been plugged in at home between being used little and the call. (Though to be fair that doesn't account for you having done a 5hr drive non-stop at 100mph in - 12degC temps
). And the stop would be 15-20mins tops to get the 300 miles.
the new tech, if true, seems ok."Specifically, the Macan’s 800-volt system is said to be able to charge from five to 80 per cent in less than 25 minutes"
Still 20 mins too long for me but horses for courses I guess.
TX.
Terminator X said:
TBF if you can find a working and empty and powerful enough charger the new tech, if true, seems ok.
"Specifically, the Macan’s 800-volt system is said to be able to charge from five to 80 per cent in less than 25 minutes"
Still 20 mins too long for me but horses for courses I guess.
TX.
I sound like a fanboi, but am really more a pragmatic contrarian who loves all types of cars.... But... the new tech, if true, seems ok."Specifically, the Macan’s 800-volt system is said to be able to charge from five to 80 per cent in less than 25 minutes"
Still 20 mins too long for me but horses for courses I guess.
TX.
The tech works. I've done 8 or so long trips in 4 months and never had an issue with 350kW charger (the sat nav is very good at finding them, keeping you posted on how many are available and how long you need to be there).
Also used them for the first month of ownership exclusively as had no home charger. (20 mile round trip
But before it's said...nearest petrol is a 16 mile round trip).(I lie slightly....the very first charger I tried was a BP Pulse... Wouldn't take app payment or contactless, so had to phone the customer services number on the machine, and they sorted it remotely).
20-80% takes the claimed 15-20mins reliably. 0%-10% or so, and 80%-100% are slower.
And in an emergency scenario, you only put in what you need.
I've posted it before, but on my last longer trip, the car ended up 100% full before my son had been for a piss and bought a snack.
The adjustment is mostly mindset (charging St home notwithstanding, towing also etc etc).
(Would I like the Taycan to be able to do 600 miles between charges? If no other trade offs, why not. Is it necessary? No.).
OMG Murph7355. At last a sensible post about EV cars.
Had two EV now, Taycan and Audi E-tron, not experienced many issues with charging, both at home and out and about. Cars regularly doing 15k per annum. Have i had to wait for a charger yes, but no more than 5 mins or so. Have chargers been a bit slower than anticipated, yes but actually a break from the driving has done been some good. Regularly used to drive 300+ miles in day with a splash and dash for petrol. The EV has forces me into a little break and I feel a better driver for it.
EV's are not everyone's cup of tea, I do get this, but some of the crap written on here is unbelievable. For the people that have got EV's and like them, great enjoy. For the others who have never owned one or in some cases never even driven or lived with one for more than a few days just be mindful of some of the rubbish that is preached.
I note one person on the topic said "why pay for a overprice Macan EV, a hot hatch on stilts. Well actually it might fit out lifestyle and we like the brand.
Had two EV now, Taycan and Audi E-tron, not experienced many issues with charging, both at home and out and about. Cars regularly doing 15k per annum. Have i had to wait for a charger yes, but no more than 5 mins or so. Have chargers been a bit slower than anticipated, yes but actually a break from the driving has done been some good. Regularly used to drive 300+ miles in day with a splash and dash for petrol. The EV has forces me into a little break and I feel a better driver for it.
EV's are not everyone's cup of tea, I do get this, but some of the crap written on here is unbelievable. For the people that have got EV's and like them, great enjoy. For the others who have never owned one or in some cases never even driven or lived with one for more than a few days just be mindful of some of the rubbish that is preached.
I note one person on the topic said "why pay for a overprice Macan EV, a hot hatch on stilts. Well actually it might fit out lifestyle and we like the brand.
Murph7355 said:
Terminator X said:
TBF if you can find a working and empty and powerful enough charger the new tech, if true, seems ok.
"Specifically, the Macan’s 800-volt system is said to be able to charge from five to 80 per cent in less than 25 minutes"
Still 20 mins too long for me but horses for courses I guess.
TX.
I sound like a fanboi, but am really more a pragmatic contrarian who loves all types of cars.... But... the new tech, if true, seems ok."Specifically, the Macan’s 800-volt system is said to be able to charge from five to 80 per cent in less than 25 minutes"
Still 20 mins too long for me but horses for courses I guess.
TX.
The tech works. I've done 8 or so long trips in 4 months and never had an issue with 350kW charger (the sat nav is very good at finding them, keeping you posted on how many are available and how long you need to be there).
Also used them for the first month of ownership exclusively as had no home charger. (20 mile round trip
But before it's said...nearest petrol is a 16 mile round trip).(I lie slightly....the very first charger I tried was a BP Pulse... Wouldn't take app payment or contactless, so had to phone the customer services number on the machine, and they sorted it remotely).
20-80% takes the claimed 15-20mins reliably. 0%-10% or so, and 80%-100% are slower.
And in an emergency scenario, you only put in what you need.
I've posted it before, but on my last longer trip, the car ended up 100% full before my son had been for a piss and bought a snack.
The adjustment is mostly mindset (charging St home notwithstanding, towing also etc etc).
(Would I like the Taycan to be able to do 600 miles between charges? If no other trade offs, why not. Is it necessary? No.).
Get your cards/accounts set up which is a one off process (Porsche also provide an RFID card that offers huge discounts on Ionity and some other services) and away you go.
My experience is that 95% of folk who suggest they don't work don't actually own an EV!
Muzzer79 said:
Why do they need to specifically match that range?
I was wondering what the stated range would be, that’s all, and found a comparison from a car I understand. I want to downsize next time so will be interested to see what comes out. Interestingly the stated efficiency for the Volvo is very poor at 2.7 miles/kw. Hopefully a smaller car will be better.HoHoHo said:
I drive quite a few miles in mine to include Europe and it works (ex M5 driver, we met at Donnington TX)
Get your cards/accounts set up which is a one off process (Porsche also provide an RFID card that offers huge discounts on Ionity and some other services) and away you go.
My experience is that 95% of folk who suggest they don't work don't actually own an EV!
Yep remember Get your cards/accounts set up which is a one off process (Porsche also provide an RFID card that offers huge discounts on Ionity and some other services) and away you go.
My experience is that 95% of folk who suggest they don't work don't actually own an EV!
M2 Comp and M3cs since then!
TX.
Terminator X said:
HoHoHo said:
I drive quite a few miles in mine to include Europe and it works (ex M5 driver, we met at Donnington TX)
Get your cards/accounts set up which is a one off process (Porsche also provide an RFID card that offers huge discounts on Ionity and some other services) and away you go.
My experience is that 95% of folk who suggest they don't work don't actually own an EV!
Yep remember Get your cards/accounts set up which is a one off process (Porsche also provide an RFID card that offers huge discounts on Ionity and some other services) and away you go.
My experience is that 95% of folk who suggest they don't work don't actually own an EV!
M2 Comp and M3cs since then!
TX.
Two Taycans since that, 1 4S Cross Turismo and I picked up a GTS Sport Turismo just after Christmas.
Trust me, they are also brilliant cars!
Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 18th January 11:45
EC2 said:
I’ve got a Volvo XC90 as my family car and Volvo claim the electric replacement will have a 363 mile range. Can Porsche get close to that?
Have you looked at EX90 finance figures for the 363 mile range car? Zero discounts available, so;
Purchase price - £96,255
Deposit - £10,500
48x £1,376.22 per month
1x Optional Final Payment (GFV) - £39,526.50
mileage 12k pa
7.9% APR
A 60% loss in value after 4 years, leaving you a car which will be seriously outdated.
I do 12k miles a year and I have 4 kids, so I have a 7 seat Disco which I bought new and turns 3 years old in March. I'm looking to replace this/next year, so I'm weighing up all options to see what might work. I would like to go electric so I can reduce my fuel bill by 90% (based on my calculations of Diesel at the pump v night tariff charging at home), but at the moment the Volvo is completely off the table as a private purchaser because the figures are eye watering. There is no other 7 seater alternative (as Tesla has now made the X LHD only), so I either get a discounted Taycan (and at the same time upgrade our shopping cart Mini to something like a Tiguan All-space 7 seat), or I stretch out the Disco until 2026 and wait for the New all electric Porsche K1 7 seat which will hopefully have a better range and much better residuals.
The problem with all this is not range, but the residual values. Until range development levels out, residuals are going to be poor, so unless you're a business claiming VAT/Tax back, or you can get silly (and I mean really silly!) discount on a new car, it's just cost prohibitive.
Edited by kmpowell on Thursday 18th January 18:05
kmpowell said:
Have you looked at EX90 finance figures for the 363 mile range car?
Zero discounts available, so;
Purchase price - £96,255
Deposit - £10,500
48x £1,376.22 per month
1x Optional Final Payment (GFV) - £39,526.50
mileage 12k pa
7.9% APR
A 60% loss in value after 4 years, leaving you a car which will be seriously outdated.
I do 12k miles a year and I have 4 kids, so I have a 7 seat Disco which I bought new and turns 3 years old in March. I'm looking to replace this/next year, so I'm weighing up all options to see what might work. I would like to go electric so I can reduce my fuel bill by 90% (based on my calculations of Diesel at the pump v night tariff charging at home), but at the moment the Volvo is completely off the table as a private purchaser because the figures are eye watering. There is no other 7 seater alternative (as Tesla has now made the X LHD only), so I either get a discounted Taycan (and at the same time upgrade our shopping cart Mini to something like a Tiguan All-space 7 seat), or I stretch out the Disco until 2026 and wait for the New all electric Porsche K1 7 seat which will hopefully have a better range and much better residuals.
The problem with all this is not range, but the residual values. Until range development levels out, residuals are going to be poor, so unless you're a business claiming VAT/Tax back, or you can get silly (and I mean really silly!) discount on a new car, it's just cost prohibitive.
100k family wagons in depreciation shocker Zero discounts available, so;
Purchase price - £96,255
Deposit - £10,500
48x £1,376.22 per month
1x Optional Final Payment (GFV) - £39,526.50
mileage 12k pa
7.9% APR
A 60% loss in value after 4 years, leaving you a car which will be seriously outdated.
I do 12k miles a year and I have 4 kids, so I have a 7 seat Disco which I bought new and turns 3 years old in March. I'm looking to replace this/next year, so I'm weighing up all options to see what might work. I would like to go electric so I can reduce my fuel bill by 90% (based on my calculations of Diesel at the pump v night tariff charging at home), but at the moment the Volvo is completely off the table as a private purchaser because the figures are eye watering. There is no other 7 seater alternative (as Tesla has now made the X LHD only), so I either get a discounted Taycan (and at the same time upgrade our shopping cart Mini to something like a Tiguan All-space 7 seat), or I stretch out the Disco until 2026 and wait for the New all electric Porsche K1 7 seat which will hopefully have a better range and much better residuals.
The problem with all this is not range, but the residual values. Until range development levels out, residuals are going to be poor, so unless you're a business claiming VAT/Tax back, or you can get silly (and I mean really silly!) discount on a new car, it's just cost prohibitive.
Don't expect any SUV at that price point to defy residuals. They won't.
Kia EV9 is 7 seats and out this year. Similar range to the EX90.
We've had two XC90s. Will be ready to replace in the next 12-18mths, but the chances of me buying an EX90 are very slim.
EV9 is a definite option. Otherwise it'll be a plug in hybrid XC90. After which I doubt we'll need another 7 seater.
Murph7355 said:
Kia EV9 is 7 seats and out this year. Similar range to the EX90.
We've had two XC90s. Will be ready to replace in the next 12-18mths, but the chances of me buying an EX90 are very slim.
EV9 is a definite option. Otherwise it'll be a plug in hybrid XC90. After which I doubt we'll need another 7 seater.
The EV9 doesn't have Air suspension, so it's a complete a non-starter for me.We've had two XC90s. Will be ready to replace in the next 12-18mths, but the chances of me buying an EX90 are very slim.
EV9 is a definite option. Otherwise it'll be a plug in hybrid XC90. After which I doubt we'll need another 7 seater.
kmpowell said:
EC2 said:
I’ve got a Volvo XC90 as my family car and Volvo claim the electric replacement will have a 363 mile range. Can Porsche get close to that?
Have you looked at EX90 finance figures for the 363 mile range car? Zero discounts available, so;
Purchase price - £96,255
Deposit - £10,500
48x £1,376.22 per month
1x Optional Final Payment (GFV) - £39,526.50
mileage 12k pa
7.9% APR
A 60% loss in value after 4 years, leaving you a car which will be seriously outdated.
I do 12k miles a year and I have 4 kids, so I have a 7 seat Disco which I bought new and turns 3 years old in March. I'm looking to replace this/next year, so I'm weighing up all options to see what might work. I would like to go electric so I can reduce my fuel bill by 90% (based on my calculations of Diesel at the pump v night tariff charging at home), but at the moment the Volvo is completely off the table as a private purchaser because the figures are eye watering. There is no other 7 seater alternative (as Tesla has now made the X LHD only), so I either get a discounted Taycan (and at the same time upgrade our shopping cart Mini to something like a Tiguan All-space 7 seat), or I stretch out the Disco until 2026 and wait for the New all electric Porsche K1 7 seat which will hopefully have a better range and much better residuals.
The problem with all this is not range, but the residual values. Until range development levels out, residuals are going to be poor, so unless you're a business claiming VAT/Tax back, or you can get silly (and I mean really silly!) discount on a new car, it's just cost prohibitive.
Edited by kmpowell on Thursday 18th January 18:05
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