Three wheeler Cabin Scooter Design
Discussion
It's been a while but for this gem, it's worth dropping by. 
Excellent design Italo. As you may remember -or not
- I absolutely love these 3-wheeler type cars. That's why I've built a Hudson Kindred Spirit, a Free Spirit and a few Blackjack Avions. Even now I have a Guzzi engined Blackjack Zero waiting for me. Keep up the good work and who knows, one day I'll have one of yours too... 
Regards,
Bart
Excellent design Italo. As you may remember -or not
- I absolutely love these 3-wheeler type cars. That's why I've built a Hudson Kindred Spirit, a Free Spirit and a few Blackjack Avions. Even now I have a Guzzi engined Blackjack Zero waiting for me. Keep up the good work and who knows, one day I'll have one of yours too... Regards,
Bart
Edited by gpdude on Wednesday 1st December 06:11
gpdude said:
It's been a while but for this gem, it's worth dropping by.
Excellent design Italo. As you may remember -or not - I absolutely love these 3-wheeler type cars. That's why I've built a Hudson Kindred Spirit, a Free Spirit and a few Blackjack Avions. Even now I have a Guzzi engined Blackjack Zero waiting for me. Keep up the good work and who knows, one day I'll have one of yours too...
Regards,
Bart
Welcome back Bart and thank you for the kind comment.Excellent design Italo. As you may remember -or not
- I absolutely love these 3-wheeler type cars. That's why I've built a Hudson Kindred Spirit, a Free Spirit and a few Blackjack Avions. Even now I have a Guzzi engined Blackjack Zero waiting for me. Keep up the good work and who knows, one day I'll have one of yours too... Regards,
Bart
Edited by gpdude on Wednesday 1st December 06:11
I remember that you had a passion for three wheelers and hopefully one day I will also have my Guzzi powered three wheeler, but it wont be this one....
I have another design waiting in the wings with a Guzzi engine...just need to find the chassis now...but looking forward to you having one more theewheeler in your colection...
Regards
Italo
Edited by fuoriserie on Wednesday 1st December 13:17
fuoriserie said:
Gompo said:
Is this new/different design similar to the trike or something different?
I apologise for the late reply.....
What do you mean when you say different design ?
You've shown a lot of great designs on here in the last few years, I hope we get to see some 4-wheelers sometime too
Gompo said:
fuoriserie said:
Gompo said:
Is this new/different design similar to the trike or something different?
I apologise for the late reply.....What do you mean when you say different design ?
You've shown a lot of great designs on here in the last few years, I hope we get to see some 4-wheelers sometime too
As for myself I would like to work on a new personal kitcar design project, maybe a more traditional old school trike with more power or a 4 wheeler kitcar Coupe project.
Just need the funds now as I have the design laying in my drawer....
Edited by fuoriserie on Tuesday 7th December 10:05
Thought I would revive this thread... I am still in the market for something fun, and strangely different, so a trike is right up my street.
I did see www.t-rod.com which looks fun. They only do turn-key, and are about €16k, so a little out of my price range.
I did see www.t-rod.com which looks fun. They only do turn-key, and are about €16k, so a little out of my price range.
I am new to this topic but feel from what I've read no one has decided what a "cabin scooter" is. A car like vehicle to replace a scooter or a scooter based cars? I like the Tercyclo design, but single seat cars like this have never sold well. Take the Peel, Cusror or Scootacar.
This is the California commuter car. In the early 80's it set world record MGP figures on the roads of the US. Yes, it looks like it escaped from Star Wars. You can buy plans to build one or the later electric cars base on it. Image this car fitted with a bigger engine, say 400 or 500cc. The aerodynamics mean this could be fast in a straight line do not about turns.
Reading past posting Aerodynamics any area you have not really looked into. They offer a lot, free performance. Extra range or a higher top speed. Below is a more modern "shell" MPG racer design.
Could a design like this become a road usable car like the California Commuter. Or a track day car! Personal I wonder if a race could be set up for car like these (I would include the Tercyclo and other production(?) cars of a similar type) as this could be fun. It may also lead to better cars.
This is the California commuter car. In the early 80's it set world record MGP figures on the roads of the US. Yes, it looks like it escaped from Star Wars. You can buy plans to build one or the later electric cars base on it. Image this car fitted with a bigger engine, say 400 or 500cc. The aerodynamics mean this could be fast in a straight line do not about turns.
Reading past posting Aerodynamics any area you have not really looked into. They offer a lot, free performance. Extra range or a higher top speed. Below is a more modern "shell" MPG racer design.
Could a design like this become a road usable car like the California Commuter. Or a track day car! Personal I wonder if a race could be set up for car like these (I would include the Tercyclo and other production(?) cars of a similar type) as this could be fun. It may also lead to better cars.
KDIcarmad said:
I am new to this topic but feel from what I've read no one has decided what a "cabin scooter" is. A car like vehicle to replace a scooter or a scooter based cars? I like the Tercyclo design, but single seat cars like this have never sold well. Take the Peel, Cusror or Scootacar.
This is the California commuter car. In the early 80's it set world record MGP figures on the roads of the US. Yes, it looks like it escaped from Star Wars. You can buy plans to build one or the later electric cars base on it. Image this car fitted with a bigger engine, say 400 or 500cc. The aerodynamics mean this could be fast in a straight line do not about turns.
Reading past posting Aerodynamics any area you have not really looked into. They offer a lot, free performance. Extra range or a higher top speed. Below is a more modern "shell" MPG racer design.
Could a design like this become a road usable car like the California Commuter. Or a track day car! Personal I wonder if a race could be set up for car like these (I would include the Tercyclo and other production(?) cars of a similar type) as this could be fun. It may also lead to better cars.
The problem with this sort of vehicle is visibility; just like recumbent pedal-tricycles, which are great in a world of, err, other recumbent pedal-tricycles. You can't be seen, and you can't see.This is the California commuter car. In the early 80's it set world record MGP figures on the roads of the US. Yes, it looks like it escaped from Star Wars. You can buy plans to build one or the later electric cars base on it. Image this car fitted with a bigger engine, say 400 or 500cc. The aerodynamics mean this could be fast in a straight line do not about turns.
Reading past posting Aerodynamics any area you have not really looked into. They offer a lot, free performance. Extra range or a higher top speed. Below is a more modern "shell" MPG racer design.
Could a design like this become a road usable car like the California Commuter. Or a track day car! Personal I wonder if a race could be set up for car like these (I would include the Tercyclo and other production(?) cars of a similar type) as this could be fun. It may also lead to better cars.
The flipside, of course, is that a design like this minimises both road occupancy and aerodynamic cross-sectional area. To achieve the same area with conventional ground clearance would create an unstable vehicle in danger of toppling, necessitating a wider track and/or active roll control, which in turn would start to reduce some of the benefits of a vehicle such as this.
The logical conclusion of such a thought process is to create a fully-faired, recumbent bicycle, which is of course great at speed and rather compromised at walking pace.
So, how to achieve a set of compromises with which people could live, and indeed the experience of which they would survive?
Since read this topic and thing about it I had an off the wall Idea. It started with the Bond Minicars.
Below is a photo of there unique engine steering system. This combined the engine and steering into one unit. Are these one of the most extreme FWD cars every, they can do 90% turns.
My idea is to turn this design round 180 degrees. Putting the engine/steering unit behind the driver and having fixed front wheels. Rear steering has been done before, take the Peugeot 20 cup three wheeled show car. Would this then be a mid engined car. What do you think? I wish I could draw and add a design to this idea.
I know that the handling could be very different. It still seems a good idea and would be fun. The ability to turn 90% would be very useful in car parks. I hope someone takes up my idea as I lack the mechanical knowledge needed to take this anywhere.
A quick Idea, electric motors in place of the small petrol engine. Put the petrol engine in the back as a generate for electric power.
Below is a photo of there unique engine steering system. This combined the engine and steering into one unit. Are these one of the most extreme FWD cars every, they can do 90% turns.
My idea is to turn this design round 180 degrees. Putting the engine/steering unit behind the driver and having fixed front wheels. Rear steering has been done before, take the Peugeot 20 cup three wheeled show car. Would this then be a mid engined car. What do you think? I wish I could draw and add a design to this idea.
I know that the handling could be very different. It still seems a good idea and would be fun. The ability to turn 90% would be very useful in car parks. I hope someone takes up my idea as I lack the mechanical knowledge needed to take this anywhere.
A quick Idea, electric motors in place of the small petrol engine. Put the petrol engine in the back as a generate for electric power.
There's a reason they don't do rear wheel steering cars.
They can't pull away forwards when parked next to a wall or another vehicle.
Try pulling away from the kerb in reverse in your normal car and you'll see what I mean.
It might work if you had triangular style bodywork, but not as in the example of the car you've shown.
They can't pull away forwards when parked next to a wall or another vehicle.
Try pulling away from the kerb in reverse in your normal car and you'll see what I mean.
It might work if you had triangular style bodywork, but not as in the example of the car you've shown.
cazzer said:
There's a reason they don't do rear wheel steering cars.
They can't pull away forwards when parked next to a wall or another vehicle.
Try pulling away from the kerb in reverse in your normal car and you'll see what I mean.
It might work if you had triangular style bodywork, but not as in the example of the car you've shown.
Have a look at Peugeot 20 cup. It uses fixed front wheels and steers using its rear wheels. I think you missed, I only use the Bond minicars as a starting point. I do get the point about pulling away in reverse in normal car. Remember this is a three wheeler cars, these are nature narrower in the rear. They can't pull away forwards when parked next to a wall or another vehicle.
Try pulling away from the kerb in reverse in your normal car and you'll see what I mean.
It might work if you had triangular style bodywork, but not as in the example of the car you've shown.
KDIcarmad said:
Have a look at Peugeot 20 cup. It uses fixed front wheels and steers using its rear wheels. I think you missed, I only use the Bond minicars as a starting point. I do get the point about pulling away in reverse in normal car. Remember this is a three wheeler cars, these are nature narrower in the rear.
Err, this photo would you suggest that you're mistaken:
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