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dick dastardly

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7,267 posts

146 months

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Opened this weeks MCN and inside was a leaflet about safety cameras only this one was a little different to the usual "Motorists are criminal scum" approach.

It is entitled 'Don't crunch after lunch' and is a fold-out colour pamphlet aimed at reducing accidents and not bank balances.

It contains a map of the Cumbria A roads with symbols of where fatal and serious accidents have taken place during 2003. It has a graph showing the most common time of day for accidents and a list of major factors in motorcycle accidents. On the back is a 'Motorcycle Safety Checklist' and advice about the area and dangers to look out for there.

All in all a well presented and refreshing change to what you'd expect from a 'safety partnership' and definitely a step in the right direction!


I bet Brunstrom hasn't seen it yet

lunarscope

2,749 posts

125 months

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dick dastardly said:
Opened this weeks MCN and inside was a leaflet about safety cameras only this one was a little different to the usual "Motorists are criminal scum" approach.

It is entitled 'Don't crunch after lunch' and is a fold-out colour pamphlet aimed at reducing accidents and not bank balances.

It contains a map of the Cumbria A roads with symbols of where fatal and serious accidents have taken place during 2003. It has a graph showing the most common time of day for accidents and a list of major factors in motorcycle accidents. On the back is a 'Motorcycle Safety Checklist' and advice about the area and dangers to look out for there.

All in all a well presented and refreshing change to what you'd expect from a 'safety partnership' and definitely a step in the right direction!


I bet Brunstrom hasn't seen it yet


He'll probably interrogate them to find out who leaked this confidential state information.

dick dastardly

Original Poster:

7,267 posts

146 months

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oops, meant to put this in Speed, Plod & Law. Can one of you mods be a dear and throw it over there for me? Thanks

Badapple

2,259 posts

137 months

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Is the stuff on the 'baby' aprilia in MCN?

dick dastardly

Original Poster:

7,267 posts

146 months

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Don't think so. Mainly the updated 999, new R1 and loads on the forthcoming British Super Bikes
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Badapple

2,259 posts

137 months

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Not this one then?

dick dastardly

Original Poster:

7,267 posts

146 months

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nope, bought it yesterday so make that:

"Opened last weeks MCN and inside....."

Cooperman

4,033 posts

133 months

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Don't give the Cumbria Cash-Collection Partnership the 'thumbs-up' too readily.
They are currently nicking people with their Talivans for 80 mph on the M6 in daylight, in light traffic and in the dry.
A road safety contribution - don't make me laugh!

nonegreen

7,803 posts

153 months

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Cooperman said:
Don't give the Cumbria Cash-Collection Partnership the 'thumbs-up' too readily.
They are currently nicking people with their Talivans for 80 mph on the M6 in daylight, in light traffic and in the dry.
A road safety contribution - don't make me laugh!


Green drug addicted scum. The only good kind is the dead kind.

deltaf

6,806 posts

136 months

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nonegreen said:

Cooperman said:
Don't give the Cumbria Cash-Collection Partnership the 'thumbs-up' too readily.
They are currently nicking people with their Talivans for 80 mph on the M6 in daylight, in light traffic and in the dry.
A road safety contribution - don't make me laugh!



Green drug addicted scum. The only good kind is the dead kind.


That wasnt a "death threat" was it mate?

nonegreen

7,803 posts

153 months

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deltaf said:

nonegreen said:


Cooperman said:
Don't give the Cumbria Cash-Collection Partnership the 'thumbs-up' too readily.
They are currently nicking people with their Talivans for 80 mph on the M6 in daylight, in light traffic and in the dry.
A road safety contribution - don't make me laugh!




Green drug addicted scum. The only good kind is the dead kind.



That wasnt a "death threat" was it mate?


More of a general etherial prophesy

KenC

445 posts

118 months

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Cooperman said:
Don't give the Cumbria Cash-Collection Partnership the 'thumbs-up' too readily.
They are currently nicking people with their Talivans for 80 mph on the M6 in daylight, in light traffic and in the dry.
A road safety contribution - don't make me laugh!


Yes - I am one of those. Done for 80mph exactly, at 9 am in the morning, excellent weather conditions. Travelling from Scotland to Kent in a diesel Audi with my family on board.

Apparently I was a safety risk and it was my fault for not looking at the website in advance of my journey to check the location of the mobile camera.

Of course, I was not allowed to see the evidence in advance of accepting the fixed penalty. That is only available if you go to court and, in their words, risk more points and a higher fine. Given I drove 460 miles that day I cannot say I was doing 80 at precicely that point. So I have to plead guilty for something I do not know I was guilty of.

Fair?

Ken

kevinday

6,084 posts

163 months

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KenC said:

Cooperman said:
Don't give the Cumbria Cash-Collection Partnership the 'thumbs-up' too readily.
They are currently nicking people with their Talivans for 80 mph on the M6 in daylight, in light traffic and in the dry.
A road safety contribution - don't make me laugh!



Yes - I am one of those. Done for 80mph exactly, at 9 am in the morning, excellent weather conditions. Travelling from Scotland to Kent in a diesel Audi with my family on board.

Apparently I was a safety risk and it was my fault for not looking at the website in advance of my journey to check the location of the mobile camera.

Of course, I was not allowed to see the evidence in advance of accepting the fixed penalty. That is only available if you go to court and, in their words, risk more points and a higher fine. Given I drove 460 miles that day I cannot say I was doing 80 at precicely that point. So I have to plead guilty for something I do not know I was guilty of.

Fair?

Ken


Ken, Are you sure it was you driving at that time, might it not have been your wife, considering how far you were travelling it would be reasonable to share the driving. This being so you would need to request the photographic evidence to see who was driving at the time, otherwise you could not fill in the NIP correctly could you?

If they refuse to provide the photograph or video evidence plead not guilty, you can happily go to court as the case will likely be dismissed for lack of evidence.

SteveCallaghan

79 posts

121 months

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KenC said:

Cooperman said:
Don't give the Cumbria Cash-Collection Partnership the 'thumbs-up' too readily.
They are currently nicking people with their Talivans for 80 mph on the M6 in daylight, in light traffic and in the dry.
A road safety contribution - don't make me laugh!



Yes - I am one of those. Done for 80mph exactly, at 9 am in the morning, excellent weather conditions. Travelling from Scotland to Kent in a diesel Audi with my family on board.

Apparently I was a safety risk and it was my fault for not looking at the website in advance of my journey to check the location of the mobile camera.

Of course, I was not allowed to see the evidence in advance of accepting the fixed penalty. That is only available if you go to court and, in their words, risk more points and a higher fine. Given I drove 460 miles that day I cannot say I was doing 80 at precicely that point. So I have to plead guilty for something I do not know I was guilty of.

Fair?

Ken

Ken
I am very surprised that you have been refused the photographs as it is my policy to provide them immediately upon request.
We will also allow you to view the video evidence that contains the measurement of your vehicle speed, you just need to make an appointment and I will personally arrange this for you.
Just visit:
www.cumbriasafetycameras.org/contacts.php

Steve Callaghan
Manager
Cumbria Safety Cameras

SteveCallaghan

79 posts

121 months

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kevinday said:

Ken, Are you sure it was you driving at that time, might it not have been your wife, considering how far you were travelling it would be reasonable to share the driving. This being so you would need to request the photographic evidence to see who was driving at the time, otherwise you could not fill in the NIP correctly could you?

If they refuse to provide the photograph or video evidence plead not guilty, you can happily go to court as the case will likely be dismissed for lack of evidence.

We try to be a little more helpful than that.

kevinday

6,084 posts

163 months

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Steve, would you release the video evidence then? I would also be asking which BiB had the initial impression the speed was over the limit, as this is a requirement for primary evidence, the laser reading is only secondary evidence and cannot be used in isolation can it?

Mad Moggie

618 posts

124 months

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SteveCallaghan said:

kevinday said:

Ken, Are you sure it was you driving at that time, might it not have been your wife, considering how far you were travelling it would be reasonable to share the driving. This being so you would need to request the photographic evidence to see who was driving at the time, otherwise you could not fill in the NIP correctly could you?

If they refuse to provide the photograph or video evidence plead not guilty, you can happily go to court as the case will likely be dismissed for lack of evidence.


We try to be a little more helpful than that.


One word to say to you mate .... INGS!

Hiding behind bushes - indeed....

By the way - have to ask - just in case - are your guys any good at delivering babies? Just that my wife may give birth any time within next 7 weeks or so - if today is "false alarm" as I suspect .....

And if I have to floor it to get her there - given she is "at risk" because of the past - do I qualify for mitigation if you manage to ping me on the occasion?

How about promoting COAST? We all drive using this - reinterpreted HC 124/125 in COAST terms over on Paulie's site in response to my mate burpingworks on there .....

It actually fits - well - how's about using it as your message instead of the same tired old phrase which no-one seems to be taking much notice of?

SteveCallaghan

79 posts

121 months

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kevinday said:
Steve, would you release the video evidence then? I would also be asking which BiB had the initial impression the speed was over the limit, as this is a requirement for primary evidence, the laser reading is only secondary evidence and cannot be used in isolation can it?

We don't release it but you can come and see it.

loaf

850 posts

144 months

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Mad Moggie said:


One word to say to you mate .... INGS!

Hiding behind bushes - indeed....

By the way - have to ask - just in case - are your guys any good at delivering babies? Just that my wife may give birth any time within next 7 weeks or so - if today is "false alarm" as I suspect .....

And if I have to floor it to get her there - given she is "at risk" because of the past - do I qualify for mitigation if you manage to ping me on the occasion?

It actually fits - well - how's about using it as your message instead of the same tired old phrase which no-one seems to be taking much notice of?


If you get a NIP from the 'safety' camera partnership about this - contest it. If your much beloved is in advanced first stage labour or actually in the second stage (birth itself) then you are carrying a patient in need of urgent medical attention, are therefore using your vehicle as an ambulance, and therefore can claim an exemption to the law requiring you to obey the speed limit - s87 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984: no statutory provision imposing a speed limit...shall apply to any vehicle being used for ambulance purposes if the observance of these provisions would be likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for which it was being used on that occasion.

Not that you should wait around until she's about to drop just to test this theory but just in case...

Mad Moggie

618 posts

124 months

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Well - do have a little green light which I am supposed to use in "emergency" ...

But never sure if they show up OK - since never really had to test one since I am usually in the one place ....

Colleague got pinged at 34 mph in Lancs returning to see to a patient this was before they revised the policy - he sent off his NIP via solicitor - and he does not know if this is good or bad - but has not heard one thing since March...no stern letter nor invite to the Course .....
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