5000M build

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Electron

605 posts

220 months

Monday 3rd October 2011
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Sorry Neil was out in the garage measuring up my Type 35 ready for the RB211 conversion ....

On a very serious note ... could you post replies like that after tea time please ... "Dad what on earth are you watching on Youtube ...." !! Nothing children ... fumbles for the mute button ...

As the nice lady in the video would say ... "Can we get back to the job in hand please .."

What does the nearside rear of a proper 302 manifold look like ....... ??




chassyman

103 posts

159 months

Monday 3rd October 2011
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i always fancied fitting into a vixen 2500 a vauxhall senator 24valver, now that would be seriosly fast and have the sound to go with it. if it was fast enough for the police it should do quite nicely, especialy as a vixen is much lighter!!!

status

251 posts

218 months

Monday 3rd October 2011
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Hi Arthur

Lovely build on your 5000M, and thank you very much for posting all the pics. Certainly good inspiration for me as I slowly work away at grafting the 302/T5 from my smelly old Mustang into my engineless rust-bucket Taimar biggrin

Do you have any close-up pics of how the engine mounts and brackets work please? You have a nice clear one of the gearbox end but I can't quite figure the details of the front engine points.

Appreciate any different angled pics you can share.

cheers
Nick

pumpkin

156 posts

242 months

Tuesday 4th October 2011
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I suggest moving the engine mount back towards the starter on that side of the engine. It gives you more room for the exhaust manifold and keeps the exhaust away from the starter. It has certainly made the whole installation neater and better on mine.
I also recommend fitting a Chevy S10 rear end to the Ford T5 so that the gearlever pivot is reasonably far forward and not under your armpit. Standard T5 is just a little further back than the 3000 M position. If you have to fit a remote oil filter then your engine is too far forward.

pumpkin

156 posts

242 months

Tuesday 4th October 2011
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I suggest moving the engine mount back towards the starter on the starter side of the engine. It gives you more room for the exhaust manifold and keeps the exhaust away from the starter. It has certainly made the whole installation neater and better on mine.
I also recommend fitting a Chevy S10 rear end to the Ford T5 so that the gearlever pivot is reasonably far forward and not under your armpit. Standard T5 gearlever position is just a little further back than the 3000 M gearlever position. If you have to fit a remote oil filter then your engine is too far forward.

status

251 posts

218 months

Tuesday 4th October 2011
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Thanks John

I want to get the engine just far enough forward so that I can remove the heads with the engine in-situ (rather than like poor old electron who has to remove the body to get at the rear-most head bolts on his professionally engineered 5000M laugh).

On your proper John Wadman car, do you have enough room for undamaged downwards-turning steel (or cast iron?) headers or do they have to be partly flattened to clear the chassis rails? I'm trying to avoid this on mine if I can, and have to say I am quite taken by the up/forwards/down manifold that Arthur has, which looks similar to either the Chimera or modern Griffith, I forget which.

cheers
Nick


ivanhoew

979 posts

242 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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chassyman said:
i always fancied fitting into a vixen 2500 a vauxhall senator 24valver, now that would be seriosly fast and have the sound to go with it. if it was fast enough for the police it should do quite nicely, especialy as a vixen is much lighter!!!
if and when i get my 2500m back on the rd ,and then blow up the turbo v8 rover , id like to try a 4 litre 6 cylinder 24 valve jag lump ,that i just happen to have in the garden ...mmm.

pumpkin

156 posts

242 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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If you use cast iron exhaust manifolds you should use Ford Bronco 1986 - 96 on the RHS. I have two numbers for this unit. 600-2351 which may be a NAPA number and 182.32 which is hand written on the info sheet that was with my car.
LHS manifold is 86 - 91 Lincoln / Mercury 5.0 or 86-88 Cougar or Thunderbird, NAPA number 600-2378 or hand written number 297.22. This is what was fitted to mine when I got it before I changed to fabricated tubular manifolds. I was told that these were the best cast iron manifolds for power and they fitted well. I am not sure my tubular manifolds make much more power than these did.

dryden

361 posts

170 months

Friday 7th October 2011
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Hi All,
I have an original Taimar, ( i think, as it was once Mr Simpson's ) in good ( i think..ect..) condition. now, when I am able, and these occasions are rare, to really stress it,s limits, the sun roof rips off, or, the roof parts company with the windscreen, the side window frames open into the airstream and start to violently shake.....It matters not how good is the chassis, these are aerodynamic issues, and without all that sorted, how can you enjoy all those horses?

Slow M

2,740 posts

207 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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dryden said:
Hi All,
I have an original Taimar, ( i think, as it was once Mr Simpson's ) in good ( i think..ect..) condition. now, when I am able, and these occasions are rare, to really stress it,s limits, the sun roof rips off, or, the roof parts company with the windscreen, the side window frames open into the airstream and start to violently shake.....It matters not how good is the chassis, these are aerodynamic issues, and without all that sorted, how can you enjoy all those horses?
Why does it have to be "without all that sorted?" As we've discussed here, these issues aren't individual, but related. Fix them, and enjoy. I'd begin with a windshield hold-down tie strap/rod, and see how that does. Your roof may not be in immaculate condition, or require fitment of some missing pieces. At least, the latching mechanism should hold the front section closed, even if the rest ends up in tatters from the sheer speed.

Also, if you have all that going on, it's surprising that the rear glass hasn't parted company with its happy home.

Best,
B.

ivanhoew

979 posts

242 months

Saturday 8th October 2011
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dryden said:
Hi All,
I have an original Taimar, ( i think, as it was once Mr Simpson's ) in good ( i think..ect..) condition. now, when I am able, and these occasions are rare, to really stress it,s limits, the sun roof rips off, or, the roof parts company with the windscreen, the side window frames open into the airstream and start to violently shake.....It matters not how good is the chassis, these are aerodynamic issues, and without all that sorted, how can you enjoy all those horses?
hi dryden , that sounds very frustrating .one thing you may like to know ,about 21 years ago i had a note left on my tvr in highmoor oxfordshire ,,it was from a lady who was trying to find another rear window for her m ..apparently what had happened was she had the sunroof open halfway ,and the wind tore it out of its rails and it flipped over and smashed the rear window .

regards robert

jellison

12,803 posts

278 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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Nice - are those Front uprights the std nasty stuff the Griff / Grannies had from the Spitfires / GT6's?

Slow M

2,740 posts

207 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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TR4, TR250, TR5, and early TR6 Alford & Alder?

There are ways of reinforcing these, that leave them less nasty.

Best,
B.

jellison

12,803 posts

278 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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Ah - good stuff TR4-6 way stronger that the Spit / GT6 stuff never had an issue on my TR racers with these.

TVR_owner

3,349 posts

192 months

Friday 21st October 2011
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jellison said:
Nice - are those Front uprights the std nasty stuff the Griff / Grannies had from the Spitfires / GT6's?
Jon,
You need to accept the M series cars have much superior suspension components smile

jellison

12,803 posts

278 months

Monday 24th October 2011
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TVR_owner said:
jellison said:
Nice - are those Front uprights the std nasty stuff the Griff / Grannies had from the Spitfires / GT6's?
Jon,
You need to accept the M series cars have much superior suspension components smile
I do I do, hence I drive TR's. First thing I binned on my Griff was the deathrap front uprights, the stuff the fia cras have to run is all aftermarket and not really lik ethe original bar basic looks and if raced on with big tyres is still chucked in the bin (lifed) regularly (nuts to that!).

smile

catfishdb

Original Poster:

235 posts

170 months

Wednesday 26th October 2011
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And .... we're back.

Nick,
I recently found an earlier engine mount picture before the frame was powder coated. I will look for some later ones that may be more clear.




my250gt

634 posts

220 months

Saturday 29th October 2011
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Hi Arthur, hows the rebuild getting along? looking forward to the next installment. Must be nearly finished???tongue out

Electron

605 posts

220 months

Sunday 30th October 2011
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Arthur - thanks for this I can go and compare - looks like my engine needs to come forward just fractionally - this would also mean the custom manifolds would fit and I could get to the rear nearside (UK car!) cylinder head bolt ....

All becoming clearer ..




status

251 posts

218 months

Thursday 3rd November 2011
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catfishdb said:
And .... we're back.

Nick,
I recently found an earlier engine mount picture before the frame was powder coated. I will look for some later ones that may be more clear.


Thankyou very much sir!! Much appreciated biggrin