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I currently have a griff 500 1999 and have had 7 previous Tivs over the years but all been fairly modern. I want to add to my griff with the addition of a classic. Although I'm no stranger to classic cars I am new to the classic TVR. My ideal is a Griffith but finances can only really stretch to £10+, so out of the question. Interested in a V8 variant, that drives well fast and has to be from the 1960's. It must also be near concours.
Any recommendations? If so where should I look as pistonheads and TVR Sprint mag don't seem to have any.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Jon
Any recommendations? If so where should I look as pistonheads and TVR Sprint mag don't seem to have any.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Jon
Try Steve Reid, he has two Grantura's for sale. www.classictvr.co.uk
jonny TVR
There were only Griffth V8s and Tuscan V8s in the 60's, all of these go for good money especially near concours ones. TVR didn't make any other V8's until the Tasmin 350i in the 80's
There are a number of converted cars (Vixens' and Granturas), from Daimler V8's, Rover V8s to Ford V8s
If you want an original model then you are either looking at a Grantura, Vixen, Tuscan V6 or an M-series car. The latter being a 70's car
My preference would be to find a good Vixen, as although these use the Ford Kent engine (this can be tuned quite well), the handling on these cars is amazing and on many occassions will embarass your Griff500!!
If you went to the Seventies you could select any of the M's (M, taimar or 3000S) and would even have a choice of the rare turbo cars within your budget.
Happy hunting
davidy
There were only Griffth V8s and Tuscan V8s in the 60's, all of these go for good money especially near concours ones. TVR didn't make any other V8's until the Tasmin 350i in the 80's
There are a number of converted cars (Vixens' and Granturas), from Daimler V8's, Rover V8s to Ford V8s
If you want an original model then you are either looking at a Grantura, Vixen, Tuscan V6 or an M-series car. The latter being a 70's car
My preference would be to find a good Vixen, as although these use the Ford Kent engine (this can be tuned quite well), the handling on these cars is amazing and on many occassions will embarass your Griff500!!
If you went to the Seventies you could select any of the M's (M, taimar or 3000S) and would even have a choice of the rare turbo cars within your budget.
Happy hunting
davidy
I think many people may hold the view that the "Buy it now" price on Tuscan V6 eBay item number: 110018499500 is unlikely to attract many buyers. However this car fits many of your other criteria.
V8 M series cars occasionaly come up for sale. Richard Sails has at least one, so may be able to help?
V8 M series cars occasionaly come up for sale. Richard Sails has at least one, so may be able to help?
You could by an original Taimar 5000 from Joe Marotta [marottajoe@hotmail.com] It is an original John Wadman TVRNA 1978 Taimar 5000. Serial No. is 4283FM. It has 37,000 original miles. John Wadman at TVRNA had permission from Martin Lilly to sell "M's" with the Ford V8 because it was lighter and much better than the Triumph engine they were imported with. This one is a bit expensive, does not have A/C and is not concours but is a lovely car. The engine and gearbox are lighter than either the 3 litre Ford V6 or the Triumph engine. They come with the Salisbury diff. Here is a link to the sales brochure for 5000 M's-
www.tvrna.com/experience.html
www.tvrna.com/experience.html
Thank you everyone ... With my budget I think that the Tuscan V6 is a good bet. I remember seeing what seemed like a good one on pistonheads at least a year ago that was up for £8K. I like the shape and the fact its a V6. I'm not a fan of the Taimars or M series. I do like the idea of a tweaked Vixen .. there is a nice yellow one I sometimes see near me in Holmes Chapel.
I will have a think and thanks again
Jon
I will have a think and thanks again
Jon
Here is another interesting TVR in Canada
Time has come to sell my TVR.1977 2500M V-8 powered car.It has a new 383 chevy stroker that has less than 100 miles on it actually.Equipped with a Doug nash 5 speed transmission,3.08 Salisbury power lock with inboards brakes. New or almost are:Michelin pilot tires,Griffin aluminium radiator,complete MSD electronic ignition system,alternator,ceramic coated headers,etc.
Stored in dry heated storage during winters and never used in wet weather,this car always been more of a show car than a daily driver, since its ground up restauration in 1988-89 and it still shows excellent with undercarriage impeccable. I have completed a documentation describing the many modifications done to it and a listing of its exhaustive equipement ;this as well many pictures are available to interested persons.Asking price is 35 K canadian.It is registered as a 1977 TVR here in québec,Canada and is located in the eastern maritime area of Quebec province.
Contact:Ronald at 418-368-4146
e-mail:letyron@cgocable.ca
Time has come to sell my TVR.1977 2500M V-8 powered car.It has a new 383 chevy stroker that has less than 100 miles on it actually.Equipped with a Doug nash 5 speed transmission,3.08 Salisbury power lock with inboards brakes. New or almost are:Michelin pilot tires,Griffin aluminium radiator,complete MSD electronic ignition system,alternator,ceramic coated headers,etc.
Stored in dry heated storage during winters and never used in wet weather,this car always been more of a show car than a daily driver, since its ground up restauration in 1988-89 and it still shows excellent with undercarriage impeccable. I have completed a documentation describing the many modifications done to it and a listing of its exhaustive equipement ;this as well many pictures are available to interested persons.Asking price is 35 K canadian.It is registered as a 1977 TVR here in québec,Canada and is located in the eastern maritime area of Quebec province.
Contact:Ronald at 418-368-4146
e-mail:letyron@cgocable.ca
My tuppence worth here is that the Vixen and Tuscan cars are now becoming regarded as wat they actually are:
Vary rare and desireable TVR's!!
the tuscan V6 had 101 (from memory) models Built
The Vixen Family about 600 in all.
The days of the £1000 vixen are long gone and anything pre 65 is now serious money even for a basket case.
I currently have in build a Griff 400 replica, A hybrid vixen S2 with Zetec and Salisbury rear and a Vixen S2 racing car for HSCC events. the 400 will outshop at £25k the S2 hybrid £12k and the racer £13-14k depending on engine spec.
the tuscan V6 on e-bay is a fully and properly restored car on a brand new chassis with mostly brand new parts. I don't know the car personally but the starting price to me is entirely reasonable. whether the Buy it now price is realistic remains to be seen but I think a car built to this standard would cost far more than the £10k start.
lets face it if this very rare sports car had a ferrari badge on it then it would be in the 100's of thousands wouldn't it.
to the people in todays market who don't think the cars are worth the price of an average family saloon, all i would say is go and find one cheaper.
There are less and less of the cars around and the ones that do pop up for sale are rotten baskets needing all the time and money to be spent.
the enthusiast owned cars are rarely sold and when they do come up for sale are rarely advertised, often selling to other club members.
And before you ask, No. my 3 aren't for sale.
Neil.
Vary rare and desireable TVR's!!
the tuscan V6 had 101 (from memory) models Built
The Vixen Family about 600 in all.
The days of the £1000 vixen are long gone and anything pre 65 is now serious money even for a basket case.
I currently have in build a Griff 400 replica, A hybrid vixen S2 with Zetec and Salisbury rear and a Vixen S2 racing car for HSCC events. the 400 will outshop at £25k the S2 hybrid £12k and the racer £13-14k depending on engine spec.
the tuscan V6 on e-bay is a fully and properly restored car on a brand new chassis with mostly brand new parts. I don't know the car personally but the starting price to me is entirely reasonable. whether the Buy it now price is realistic remains to be seen but I think a car built to this standard would cost far more than the £10k start.
lets face it if this very rare sports car had a ferrari badge on it then it would be in the 100's of thousands wouldn't it.
to the people in todays market who don't think the cars are worth the price of an average family saloon, all i would say is go and find one cheaper.
There are less and less of the cars around and the ones that do pop up for sale are rotten baskets needing all the time and money to be spent.
the enthusiast owned cars are rarely sold and when they do come up for sale are rarely advertised, often selling to other club members.
And before you ask, No. my 3 aren't for sale.
Neil.
Edited by heightswitch on Saturday 12th August 08:06
I have to agree with Neil on the value of the Tuscan V6 on ebay. Personally the buy it now price is not so ridiculous if you consider the ammount of money spent on the car, its rarity and probably hundreds of hours spent on the project which are always free. I remember Neil talking to me before he started on his projects thinking he could do them very cheaply and I gave him my opinions of how much they would realistically cost. I think I was nearer to the truth.
The "modified" yellow Vixen Jon sees around Holmes Chapel is in fact a Tuscan V6 and possibly the best there is. It belongs to a very good friend of mine and if you offered him the buy it now price for the ebay car he would just smile and politely refuse your offer, so there are some people who consider these "old " TVR's to have value. Why are old Ferraris more valuable than new ones? Not many years ago they were relatively cheap but not any more. Why are antiques more expensive than furniture from Ikea?
I have offered Jon a Vixen V8 which has been properly converted by its former engineer owner of 26 years and although he only lives 20 minutes away has emailed me saying he will think about it. Itis not cheap in the eyes of those who think they could do it for less but I bet nobody could do it for twice the £12950 asking price and that would not be including their time.
I can not understand why people will spend vast ammounts of money on MGB's but will not consider classic TVR's to have any value. Not many years ago Granturas were only worth the value of the petrol in their tanks but not anymore, Vixens and Tuscans are no longer cheap and I predict that the bargain of all time "M" series cars will soon follow the trend. sTeVeR
The "modified" yellow Vixen Jon sees around Holmes Chapel is in fact a Tuscan V6 and possibly the best there is. It belongs to a very good friend of mine and if you offered him the buy it now price for the ebay car he would just smile and politely refuse your offer, so there are some people who consider these "old " TVR's to have value. Why are old Ferraris more valuable than new ones? Not many years ago they were relatively cheap but not any more. Why are antiques more expensive than furniture from Ikea?
I have offered Jon a Vixen V8 which has been properly converted by its former engineer owner of 26 years and although he only lives 20 minutes away has emailed me saying he will think about it. Itis not cheap in the eyes of those who think they could do it for less but I bet nobody could do it for twice the £12950 asking price and that would not be including their time.
I can not understand why people will spend vast ammounts of money on MGB's but will not consider classic TVR's to have any value. Not many years ago Granturas were only worth the value of the petrol in their tanks but not anymore, Vixens and Tuscans are no longer cheap and I predict that the bargain of all time "M" series cars will soon follow the trend. sTeVeR
[quote=thegamekeeper] I remember Neil talking to me before he started on his projects thinking he could do them very cheaply and I gave him my opinions of how much they would realistically cost. I think I was nearer to the truth. [quote]
Oh Yes!
And how we laughed afterward when we tallied the ACTUAL costs up. my wife still doesn't know the full amount
I think in the next couple of years the smart money will sit in the "M" series cars steve. I predict that the pre-M will go stratospheric. My wife still doesn't believe that they will mature as my pension though!!
Neil
Oh Yes!
And how we laughed afterward when we tallied the ACTUAL costs up. my wife still doesn't know the full amount
I think in the next couple of years the smart money will sit in the "M" series cars steve. I predict that the pre-M will go stratospheric. My wife still doesn't believe that they will mature as my pension though!!
Neil
Steve, I want to think about it as I want to decide in my own mind what I actually want. I don't want to waste your time and besides knowing what I'm like I would buy it if I saw it. I would like an original spec version but then again I like the idea of a modified race/ road Tuscan or Vixen or Grantura. I'm going to do a bit of research on them first. Jon
Hi there. If you can stretch to £15,000 I know of a mint condition Tuscan that had a complete rebuild finished last summer by Neil Hookway of BM Racing. The car was rebuilt for its owner who sadly died of cancer before the build was complete. His widow took delivery of the car but has since remarried / had a child and now the car is sadly for sale.... It's in A1 condition and worth every penny of the £15,000 asking price. Rebuild cost well over £25,000. Neil - 07885 233 288 - should have the contact phone no. of the current owner. I think she lives near Cambridge but am not 100% certain. Emma.
This thread is reassuring as I recently spent a lot on my Tuscan V6 which makes it owe me more than what I thought it was worth. Mind you - given the choice of a modern tuscan to swap in to, I also would probably decline politely. After all - where am I going to find another one?
Having recently added the straight through exhaust and minilite wheels, it also sounds and handles fantastically. I highly recomend one to everyone!!
Having recently added the straight through exhaust and minilite wheels, it also sounds and handles fantastically. I highly recomend one to everyone!!
obiwonkeyblokey said:
This thread is reassuring as I recently spent a lot on my Tuscan V6 which makes it owe me more than what I thought it was worth. Mind you - given the choice of a modern tuscan to swap in to, I also would probably decline politely. After all - where am I going to find another one?
Having recently added the straight through exhaust and minilite wheels, it also sounds and handles fantastically. I highly recomend one to everyone!!
Having recently added the straight through exhaust and minilite wheels, it also sounds and handles fantastically. I highly recomend one to everyone!!
You probably won't find another good one - certainly not for a long time. Keep it and enjoy. I think the pre-M series TVRs are better looking than all other TVR models (especially the current generation). My Vixen goes to classic car club & TVR car club events and is welcomed with much affection at both.
I'm sure in the longterm the values on the older cars will go up. Best thing to do is hang onto them and treasure them for what they are - a rare piece of TVR history. Also - the handling is so precise with lots of feel. I take corners as fast as I dare in the Vixen with no worries of the back end misbehaving!
Edited by Miss Vixey on Friday 20th October 14:16
Edited by Miss Vixey on Friday 20th October 14:19
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