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conchobar said:
CUSTEL said:
conchobar said:
How does MDM Eurotics facilitate making TVRs street legal in the US? "For Track Use Only" is never mentioned on your website or shut-down ebay listing.
"For track use only" is not mentioned because they are not titled for track use only. They are titled for legal road use. We can not go further into details in regards to how it is done due to the fact that if it was in the public domain everyone would be doing it.
The only information not in public domain are illegal avenues to bypass the crash testing and modifications needed to make most imports legal. Its not about secrets, but funding. If you have to swipe photos to use on your website, then you clearly have not brokered any deals. So, what evidence do you provide that you have the funding to import TVRs into the United States? TVRs are not Skylines.
Edited by conchobar on Monday 27th November 16:09
Swipe photos? We work directly with Racing Green therefore we use their photos for their used vehicles. As for new vehicles you order your colors and options yourself so how would we have photos of it? "What evidence of funding to import TVRs" doesnt make any sense the price of the vehicle is paid upfront so what funding would we have to prove?
Why are you dodging the real issues? Anyone can fly to the UK and purchase a TVR. Who needs MDMEurotics to do that? You don't seem to realize that importing a TVR is not like importing a Skyline, where there are legal cars it shares many parts with. Have you had any TVRs crash tested? which mehcanics do you recommend/ employ to do the modifications to make it road legal? Not to mention, why are you up-charging $50,000? These are standard questions from any person serious about buying an imported TVR. Yet you shy from answering. If it looks like a scam, sounds like a scam, and refuses to answer questions like a scam... Give up kid, the guys on Fchat outted you. Go back to selling cheap loudspeakers out of white vans.
Edited by conchobar on Monday 27th November 18:23
Edited by conchobar on Monday 27th November 18:30
I know of show and display, and another where you can import a car and use it for track use without having to do emissions/crash standards etc. So how do you guys do it? Obviously your business isn't run off of an original idea, and the resourcefulness of htis forum will be able to find out how you import them and make them "road legal".
conchobar said:
Why are you dodging the real issues? Anyone can fly to the UK and purchase a TVR. Who needs MDMEurotics to do that? You don't seem to realize that importing a TVR is not like importing a Skyline, where there are legal cars it shares many parts with. Have you had any TVRs crash tested? which mehcanics do you recommend/ employ to do the modifications to make it road legal? Not to mention, why are you up-charging $50,000? These are standard questions from any person serious about buying an imported TVR. Yet you shy from answering. If it looks like a scam, sounds like a scam, and refuses to answer questions like a scam... Give up kid, the guys on Fchat outted you. Go back to selling cheap loudspeakers out of white vans.
Edited by conchobar on Monday 27th November 18:23
Edited by conchobar on Monday 27th November 18:30
They are brought in via the same concept as nobles are only they retain all original components including the motor and they are titled as TVR's for legal road use not as kit cars.
Edited by custel on Tuesday 28th November 05:14
What made importation of Noble work is that Noble uses a crate engine and tranny that is sourced in the US. Just because you import the chassis separate from the engine and tranny, won't make it legal. Also, a Noble Chassis is imported with no VIN, versus every car from Racing Green will have a VIN.
Virtually all the avenues for importing TVRs into the US have been discussed and then discussed again on the board. That makes it very easy to see whose a scam artist and who is serious.
Virtually all the avenues for importing TVRs into the US have been discussed and then discussed again on the board. That makes it very easy to see whose a scam artist and who is serious.
conchobar said:
What made importation of Noble work is that Noble uses a crate engine and tranny that is sourced in the US. Just because you import the chassis separate from the engine and tranny, won't make it legal. Also, a Noble Chassis is imported with no VIN, versus every car from Racing Green will have a VIN.
Virtually all the avenues for importing TVRs into the US have been discussed and then discussed again on the board. That makes it very easy to see whose a scam artist and who is serious.
Virtually all the avenues for importing TVRs into the US have been discussed and then discussed again on the board. That makes it very easy to see whose a scam artist and who is serious.
Seeing you have never done the process of importing and titling a vehicle before are you really capable of attesting to the fact that it is incapable of being done? An imported automobile having or not having a vin is irrelivant, how do you suppose skylines, silvias, civic type-r's and other jdm vehicles are able to be imporetd and titled?
You know nothing about the importation of the vehicle or the exact process it is done therefore you are only able to come up with assumptions rather then true facts. It doesnt matter if the vehicle is a skyline or a Bugatti, it is still the same process.
Look here lad, the ship chassis sans engine/tranny import avenue is illegal and is as lame as it gets. Unless TVR officially starts selling in the US again, the only way to import one and have it titled as a TVR will be to submit cars for crash testing. This, and this only, is the reason you don't see TVRs on ebaymotors, or even the Dupont Registry.
Actually, in last month's issue of DuPont Registry, there was another similar outfit based in Florida advertising a Sagaris for $110,000, I believe. I called and spoke at length with the fellow there who was very good at avoiding virtually every question I asked him about specifics.
As for Road & Track's mention of TVR coming to the States in 2008, when I was at the TVR factory in July I was told the same thing, but a lot has transpired since that time, and considering TVR isn't currently producing cars, I would have a hard time believing they can still adhere to such a schedule. They were also in the midst of obtaining US-spec approval then, but I haven't heard any more as to how that was going.
As for Road & Track's mention of TVR coming to the States in 2008, when I was at the TVR factory in July I was told the same thing, but a lot has transpired since that time, and considering TVR isn't currently producing cars, I would have a hard time believing they can still adhere to such a schedule. They were also in the midst of obtaining US-spec approval then, but I haven't heard any more as to how that was going.
Marshall, you only have to search these 'USA' forums to find that TVR told people to 'expect cars to be sold in the US in about 18 months or so', They first said that 6 years ago and every year til 2004 when PW sold it.
Since the Russian Businessboy bought TVR, we've been told every story (read 'lie') imaginable. Personally, I'm not fussed as I'd never buy a modern one anyhow, despite Mr Smolenski trying his hardest to persuade me otherwise at the UK Motorshow.
I spoke with someone at SEMA last month who knew about TVR and their plight and told me he had explored the possibilties of getting them (Tuscans and T350s) in by a legal route, but to no avail. TVR just weren't interested.
And neither am I!
Since the Russian Businessboy bought TVR, we've been told every story (read 'lie') imaginable. Personally, I'm not fussed as I'd never buy a modern one anyhow, despite Mr Smolenski trying his hardest to persuade me otherwise at the UK Motorshow.
I spoke with someone at SEMA last month who knew about TVR and their plight and told me he had explored the possibilties of getting them (Tuscans and T350s) in by a legal route, but to no avail. TVR just weren't interested.
And neither am I!
conchobar said:
Look here lad, the ship chassis sans engine/tranny import avenue is illegal and is as lame as it gets. Unless TVR officially starts selling in the US again, the only way to import one and have it titled as a TVR will be to submit cars for crash testing. This, and this only, is the reason you don't see TVRs on ebaymotors, or even the Dupont Registry.
Again, that is not the only way to title it as a TVR.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: RACER355
Date: Nov 30, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Jaguar XJ 220
To: sales@mdmeurotics.com
Cc: President@mdmeurotics.com, Josh@mdmeurotics.com, JWoerdeman@mdmeurotics.com
Hi Ben, Josh & Josh,
Your stock number 1013 should not be a stock number at all! Why? Because the car is not in stock, it is actually in my dealership and you have fraudulently presented this vehicle with its description which "I" have written. You have also used photographs of the car at my facility.
I sincerely doubt that you could get back to me within 24 hours or within minutes to describe or educate me on this car as you actually have zero knowledge of this actual car!
I expect you will remove it from you website immediate and should any of my other inventory appear on your website you will be contacted by my legal team who are advised to take legal action immediately.
Yours sincerely,
Tom
Autosport Designs, Inc.
E-mail: racer355
From: RACER355
Date: Nov 30, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Jaguar XJ 220
To: sales@mdmeurotics.com
Cc: President@mdmeurotics.com, Josh@mdmeurotics.com, JWoerdeman@mdmeurotics.com
Hi Ben, Josh & Josh,
Your stock number 1013 should not be a stock number at all! Why? Because the car is not in stock, it is actually in my dealership and you have fraudulently presented this vehicle with its description which "I" have written. You have also used photographs of the car at my facility.
I sincerely doubt that you could get back to me within 24 hours or within minutes to describe or educate me on this car as you actually have zero knowledge of this actual car!
I expect you will remove it from you website immediate and should any of my other inventory appear on your website you will be contacted by my legal team who are advised to take legal action immediately.
Yours sincerely,
Tom
Autosport Designs, Inc.
E-mail: racer355
frazer guest said:
how many TVR's have you sold / imported to the states?
None.
Gents I talked to them about a jag they have on their site. Their sales guy did not know anything about the car at all and said he would get back to me. That sounded odd for a sales guy so I googled their name.
Oh God!!! There is a thread about them at the Ferrari forum that is hilarious!!! The Ferrari guys could teach Scotland Yard a thing or two about being detectives!! They found out that MDM is two 5th form, high school in the USA, boys trying to scam their way in to the exotic car business! The address for the company is one of their mom's flat in Chicago!
The Ferrari guys even got pictures of them! And have been owning them left and right on their forum. Oddly enough the owner of the jag I looked at chimed in to cuss them out about it.
So if you want a good laugh, check it out.
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthre
Oh their getting beat up on in Autoblog too. Someone said they tried and failed to look like "mad tyte drifters" in their pictures. I almost fell out of the chair when I read that.
www.autoblog.com/2006/11/29/another-ferrari-fxx-on-ebay/
Edited by AlexFair on Friday 1st December 20:47
If this guy can really do what he says he can do, then he needs to put his money where is mouth is and import a TVR, title it as a TVR, then sell it in country with a legal US title. Which he can not do because what he is proposing is against the law. What planet does he think people live on, that he thinks they will pay big bucks for a car that is 3000 miles with no legal documentation, no warranty....lets face it this guy has nothing but a load of BS. It looks like a scam & smells like a scam. Anyone willing to do business with this guy & give him a dollar it just asking for it. Oh, I have imported many vehicles from the UK and know the rules, this guy is full of it.
AlexFair said:
frazer guest said:
how many TVR's have you sold / imported to the states?
None.
Gents I talked to them about a jag they have on their site. Their sales guy did not know anything about the car at all and said he would get back to me. That sounded odd for a sales guy so I googled their name.
Oh God!!! There is a thread about them at the Ferrari forum that is hilarious!!! The Ferrari guys could teach Scotland Yard a thing or two about being detectives!! They found out that MDM is two 5th form, high school in the USA, boys trying to scam their way in to the exotic car business! The address for the company is one of their mom's flat in Chicago!
The Ferrari guys even got pictures of them! And have been owning them left and right on their forum. Oddly enough the owner of the jag I looked at chimed in to cuss them out about it.
So if you want a good laugh, check it out.
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthre
Oh their getting beat up on in Autoblog too. Someone said they tried and failed to look like "mad tyte drifters" in their pictures. I almost fell out of the chair when I read that.
www.autoblog.com/2006/11/29/another-ferrari-fxx-on-ebay/
Edited by AlexFair on Friday 1st December 20:47
That's genius! ROTFLMAO
When I was moving to California in 2003, I called just about anyone I could find in both the USA, or the UK who could tell me what it would take to import my Chim 450 in the USA. The bottom line is ... you can't. I could have taken the car for 364 days as a temporary import (sort of like a tourist visa). Since shipping a car from the UK to USA is actually fairly cheap, I really thought about doing that ... until I found that It would be damn near impossible to get insurance.
be careful here, i am a former worker at tvr just made redundant, tvr went into administration in december 06. no new cars were produced for months before then, all the left hand drive sagaris built went to italy. only 4 or 5 were made and thats it. a phone call to racing green would be the answer, i will post the number when i can.
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