Robert Kubica Video - Janner Rallye SS18 - Staggering!
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Robert Kubica
Janner Rallye 2014
SS18 - Final Stage, must win stage to take the victory.
30 secs quicker, fog, huge moment, staggering car control & staggering commitment.
Rallying is boring? I don't think so.
http://youtu.be/2ePy2zfTVwc
Enjoy!
Janner Rallye 2014
SS18 - Final Stage, must win stage to take the victory.
30 secs quicker, fog, huge moment, staggering car control & staggering commitment.
Rallying is boring? I don't think so.
http://youtu.be/2ePy2zfTVwc
Enjoy!
I don't know what to make of that video to be honest. Total commitment like that is fine for the race track but I am not sure it translates to a rally, at least not all the time. All top drivers have massive gonads, but with someone like Loeb you don't really see them quite so obviously, Kubica drives like he wants us to count the hairs on his balls. He needs to leave a margin for error or else he'll be lucky to survive the year, let alone win a WRC rally. I hope that video isn't a portent for his future.
Jerry Can said:
I don't know what to make of that video to be honest. Total commitment like that is fine for the race track but I am not sure it translates to a rally, at least not all the time. All top drivers have massive gonads, but with someone like Loeb you don't really see them quite so obviously, Kubica drives like he wants us to count the hairs on his balls. He needs to leave a margin for error or else he'll be lucky to survive the year, let alone win a WRC rally. I hope that video isn't a portent for his future.
I've said pretty much the same on the 2014 WRC thread. No one doubts his outright speed, but it needs to be tempered with some consistency.Had the incident happened a few hundred meters later, the house might have entered into the equation (and the car .....)
KR put pressure on himself by jumping the start on one of the earlier stages. He did so allegedly 'cos he was "experimenting" with methods of launching the car faster. I'd suggest that using the event for such "testing" was a bit foolhardy.
He is a mightily impressive driver, I saw him driving in the wet on WRC Germany last year.
400 meters after an uphill hairpin left was a fast left kink. All the top WRC guys either confidence lifted or check braked. Not KR, he took it absolutely flat.
He has the makings of a superb WRC driver, but only if he can avoid the silly mistakes that have plagued his career to date.
When you're up against the likes of Ogier,Loeb and Neuville you can't afford to be binning the car and throwing points away. J-M L is proof perfect that being inconsistent won't win you a WRC title.
Slippydiff said:
I've said pretty much the same on the 2014 WRC thread. No one doubts his outright speed, but it needs to be tempered with some consistency.
Had the incident happened a few hundred meters later, the house might have entered into the equation (and the car .....)
KR put pressure on himself by jumping the start on one of the earlier stages. He did so allegedly 'cos he was "experimenting" with methods of launching the car faster. I'd suggest that using the event for such "testing" was a bit foolhardy.
He is a mightily impressive driver, I saw him driving in the wet on WRC Germany last year.
400 meters after an uphill hairpin left was a fast left kink. All the top WRC guys either confidence lifted or check braked. Not KR, he took it absolutely flat.
He has the makings of a superb WRC driver, but only if he can avoid the silly mistakes that have plagued his career to date.
When you're up against the likes of Ogier,Loeb and Neuville you can't afford to be binning the car and throwing points away. J-M L is proof perfect that being inconsistent won't win you a WRC title.
I have to agree in some respects, it is certainly 'bin it or win it' Had the incident happened a few hundred meters later, the house might have entered into the equation (and the car .....)
KR put pressure on himself by jumping the start on one of the earlier stages. He did so allegedly 'cos he was "experimenting" with methods of launching the car faster. I'd suggest that using the event for such "testing" was a bit foolhardy.
He is a mightily impressive driver, I saw him driving in the wet on WRC Germany last year.
400 meters after an uphill hairpin left was a fast left kink. All the top WRC guys either confidence lifted or check braked. Not KR, he took it absolutely flat.
He has the makings of a superb WRC driver, but only if he can avoid the silly mistakes that have plagued his career to date.
When you're up against the likes of Ogier,Loeb and Neuville you can't afford to be binning the car and throwing points away. J-M L is proof perfect that being inconsistent won't win you a WRC title.
But it is a pleasure to watch someone with utter commitment, potentially disastorously so....
If he can wind it back a few percent, he'll be right up there.
I would say that this was the last stage, he knew he needed to win it, so he did... and in some style.
That would have been a plane crash if he'd hit anything! :O
Slippydiff said:
Jerry Can said:
I don't know what to make of that video to be honest. Total commitment like that is fine for the race track but I am not sure it translates to a rally, at least not all the time. All top drivers have massive gonads, but with someone like Loeb you don't really see them quite so obviously, Kubica drives like he wants us to count the hairs on his balls. He needs to leave a margin for error or else he'll be lucky to survive the year, let alone win a WRC rally. I hope that video isn't a portent for his future.
I've said pretty much the same on the 2014 WRC thread. No one doubts his outright speed, but it needs to be tempered with some consistency.Had the incident happened a few hundred meters later, the house might have entered into the equation (and the car .....)
KR put pressure on himself by jumping the start on one of the earlier stages. He did so allegedly 'cos he was "experimenting" with methods of launching the car faster. I'd suggest that using the event for such "testing" was a bit foolhardy.
He is a mightily impressive driver, I saw him driving in the wet on WRC Germany last year.
400 meters after an uphill hairpin left was a fast left kink. All the top WRC guys either confidence lifted or check braked. Not KR, he took it absolutely flat.
He has the makings of a superb WRC driver, but only if he can avoid the silly mistakes that have plagued his career to date.
When you're up against the likes of Ogier,Loeb and Neuville you can't afford to be binning the car and throwing points away. J-M L is proof perfect that being inconsistent won't win you a WRC title.
As this was the second running of the stage he would have known he could push harder at the start and get away with it - the fog light incident was very close, but he admitted he was lucky and you sometimes need that. Once the fog light is off the car the rest of the stage is flawless - brilliant. Really looking forward to see what he can do over the next few seasons.
I would think this year he will look to benchmark himself against Hirv in the Fiesta - Evans is very much on a learning year, so I guess Kubica will feel he should be beating him. Will be great to watch, if he wins an event this year the coverage will be superb, is that possible??? Maybe just maybe, only remote but you never know.
sanf said:
That is a cracking on board stage. Kubica is working to a very good plan - doing the event has given him plenty of seat time - ok in an RRC rather then WRC - but what a great test. It gives him the opportunity to make mistakes and play with the car away from the WRC. He is clearly looking for the limits - and on this events while he found them - he still won with a stunning time on that stage.
As this was the second running of the stage he would have known he could push harder at the start and get away with it - the fog light incident was very close, but he admitted he was lucky and you sometimes need that. Once the fog light is off the car the rest of the stage is flawless - brilliant. Really looking forward to see what he can do over the next few seasons.
I would think this year he will look to benchmark himself against Hirv in the Fiesta - Evans is very much on a learning year, so I guess Kubica will feel he should be beating him. Will be great to watch, if he wins an event this year the coverage will be superb, is that possible??? Maybe just maybe, only remote but you never know.
Ok, I've just watched the whole stage on Apple TV (I'd previously only seen the short clip of the incident they showed on the Eurosport coverage on Sunday)As this was the second running of the stage he would have known he could push harder at the start and get away with it - the fog light incident was very close, but he admitted he was lucky and you sometimes need that. Once the fog light is off the car the rest of the stage is flawless - brilliant. Really looking forward to see what he can do over the next few seasons.
I would think this year he will look to benchmark himself against Hirv in the Fiesta - Evans is very much on a learning year, so I guess Kubica will feel he should be beating him. Will be great to watch, if he wins an event this year the coverage will be superb, is that possible??? Maybe just maybe, only remote but you never know.
I made it three "mistakes" in that stage (one of which was an understeering off the road moment sometime after the fog/spotlight incident) So I'm not sure I concur with the "flawless" driving comment.
I don't want to denigrate KR, he's clearly massively talented, as could be witnessed by what he did in his F1 career prior to it being curtailed by the rally accident.
But if he continues to drive in the way he has been, he'll end up hurting (or worse) himself and/or his co-driver at some point.
I posted a link to Seb Loeb driving a stage of the 2013 Monte in this this video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZJjpQtJYuc
early last year. There were the usual naysayers saying, "Ohhh, it's boring to watch"
It may well be "boring" from inside the car, but trust me, to see Loeb in full flight/maximum attack mode in real life stage side, is anything but boring.But do please take the time to watch the whole video, it's an object lesson in how to drive a current WRC quickly without all the drama and incidents that seem part of KR's driving.
I hope KR does manage to temper his speed with a more measured approach, his arrival in the sport couldn't have come at a better time, and he'll raise the sport's profile massively if he starts winning. I just hope he doesn't have a repeat of his almost career ending crash in the Skoda as he gains experience.
I am no fan of current WRC but the Loeb video is staggering; SO neat and just incredibly quick. I suspect one of the greatest drivers- in any discipline- there has ever been.
ps if I had been in that car I would have revisited my petit dejeuner within the first 5 minutes and would have been a whimpering wreck at the end of the stage
ps if I had been in that car I would have revisited my petit dejeuner within the first 5 minutes and would have been a whimpering wreck at the end of the stage
Kubica seems to have that genetic code which excludes fear or awareness of his own mortality.
Much like Colin McRae is lauded for, it is go hard or go home. He will either be multiple times world champion or dead in six months.
You can sense from the way he drives that car that he just has that urgent, constant need to race. Whether his style is clean or not, he just needs to get to that line before the other guy.
As a result, he is massively exciting to watch on screen/stage. He reminds me of watching videos of in car from Kankkunen or Vatanen. And the way he is completely cool as a cucumber during the interview...like he has just driven to the end of his driveway!
Kudos to the co-driver...he was speechless throughout (awe/fear
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Much like Colin McRae is lauded for, it is go hard or go home. He will either be multiple times world champion or dead in six months.
You can sense from the way he drives that car that he just has that urgent, constant need to race. Whether his style is clean or not, he just needs to get to that line before the other guy.
As a result, he is massively exciting to watch on screen/stage. He reminds me of watching videos of in car from Kankkunen or Vatanen. And the way he is completely cool as a cucumber during the interview...like he has just driven to the end of his driveway!
Kudos to the co-driver...he was speechless throughout (awe/fear
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