The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2012 ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
Life Saab Itch said:
My prediction is for Button to dominate proceedings.
I'll await a flaming for saying that.
That's a big prediction - Button hasn't dominated any proceeding since the beginning of '09. He might win but it's unlikely to be dominant.I'll await a flaming for saying that.
For me dominant means pole and win by at least 10s, or if not pole win by at least 20s.
Will high downforce and long corners suit the Merc DRS system system system in quali?
Interesting to see that since 2007 McLaren have won at the Hungaroring 4 times. Mark Webber won in 2010 and Lewis retired with a gearbox failure but won in 2007, 2009 and finished 4th in 2011.
Always very hot and its a circuit where you have to get into the groove with. Its tight and twisty and extremely dirty if you stray offline. Only one serious significant overtake opportunity which is the long start finish straight but even with DRS I reckon overtaking will still prove extremely difficult. Good traction off the final corner, coupled with a big chunk of KERS boost and a varied selection of relatively short gear ratios is key to staying in front.
Tyres and track temperatures will be key. Hopefully the recent upgrades introduced by McLaren will give Lewis and Jenson just what they need to achieve a double podium finish.
Key for a great result around the Hungaroring is
1. Good qualifying position
2. Quick pitstops
3. Track position
4. The obvious, a quick car thats kind to its tyres on the day.
Always very hot and its a circuit where you have to get into the groove with. Its tight and twisty and extremely dirty if you stray offline. Only one serious significant overtake opportunity which is the long start finish straight but even with DRS I reckon overtaking will still prove extremely difficult. Good traction off the final corner, coupled with a big chunk of KERS boost and a varied selection of relatively short gear ratios is key to staying in front.
Tyres and track temperatures will be key. Hopefully the recent upgrades introduced by McLaren will give Lewis and Jenson just what they need to achieve a double podium finish.
Key for a great result around the Hungaroring is
1. Good qualifying position
2. Quick pitstops
3. Track position
4. The obvious, a quick car thats kind to its tyres on the day.
ooh didn't realise this was back-to-back...
hamilton will want to get back to the front following the disaster of the german GP and the mclaren looks to be quick again. but can't count out vettel who is pretty quick at the moment and also had a bad result. then alonso who's the best driver in one of the top cars.
alonso, vettel, hamilton. alonso on pole.
hamilton will want to get back to the front following the disaster of the german GP and the mclaren looks to be quick again. but can't count out vettel who is pretty quick at the moment and also had a bad result. then alonso who's the best driver in one of the top cars.
alonso, vettel, hamilton. alonso on pole.
Are RB likely to be impacted by any of the working committees this week and have to modify their engine maps, potentially losing them their edge (well, Vettels anyway).
I haven't found anything significant, except that they seemed to have a way of torque limiting under full throttle acceleration to minimise wheel-spin and, possibly, improve off-throttle downforce via the exhausts.
I haven't found anything significant, except that they seemed to have a way of torque limiting under full throttle acceleration to minimise wheel-spin and, possibly, improve off-throttle downforce via the exhausts.
mondeoman said:
Are RB likely to be impacted by any of the working committees this week and have to modify their engine maps, potentially losing them their edge (well, Vettels anyway).
I haven't found anything significant, except that they seemed to have a way of torque limiting under full throttle acceleration to minimise wheel-spin and, possibly, improve off-throttle downforce via the exhausts.
As I said in the last thread, the torque limiting under acceleration is more likely to be a significantly retarded ignition map at low revs. That would stop the engine from producing full power at a point in the rev range that isn't normally used in the race, but would mean that if the car was left in a higher gear than normal for engine braking it would his that part of the rev range when slowing down, causing exhaust blowing.I haven't found anything significant, except that they seemed to have a way of torque limiting under full throttle acceleration to minimise wheel-spin and, possibly, improve off-throttle downforce via the exhausts.
Full throttle needs less advance than idle for optimal running so it should be possible to make it work in this fashion. I really don't think they have any particular traction advantage from it but the whole back end of the car has been progressively redesigned around indirectly exhaust blowing the diffuser since Monaco.
Lookig at the timings from the race on Sunday it should be rather close if it stays dry. Alonso, Vettle, Button and Hamilton were all very close in terms of lap times.
For quali I am going to say either Alonso or Vettle on pole they both are able to pump very fast laps in when needed, them Hamilton then Button.
Race results I think it will be Alonso, Hamilton, Button.
It does seem Button fights back quite well when the chips are down, maybe Martin should get him fired up by insulting his mother or something just before lights out.
For quali I am going to say either Alonso or Vettle on pole they both are able to pump very fast laps in when needed, them Hamilton then Button.
Race results I think it will be Alonso, Hamilton, Button.
It does seem Button fights back quite well when the chips are down, maybe Martin should get him fired up by insulting his mother or something just before lights out.
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