The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2012 ***SPOILERS***

The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2012 ***SPOILERS***

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Life Saab Itch

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37,068 posts

190 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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My prediction is for Button to dominate proceedings.

I'll await a flaming for saying that. hehe

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

219 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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Red Bull to win, Hamilton second, Alonso third.

Maybe Massa will spring into action this weekend?

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

257 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
My prediction is for Button to dominate proceedings.

I'll await a flaming for saying that. hehe
He likes the circuit, and has a fond history. Would be nice, but can't really see him winning it. Gonna be Alonso and Vettel for the win there methinks.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

198 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
Maybe Massa will spring into action this weekend?
more chance of summer hitting cumbria wink

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

229 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
My prediction is for Button to dominate proceedings.

I'll await a flaming for saying that. hehe
That's a big prediction - Button hasn't dominated any proceeding since the beginning of '09. He might win but it's unlikely to be dominant.

For me dominant means pole and win by at least 10s, or if not pole win by at least 20s.

Will high downforce and long corners suit the Merc DRS system system system in quali?

Sofoklis

102 posts

144 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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Interesting to see that since 2007 McLaren have won at the Hungaroring 4 times. Mark Webber won in 2010 and Lewis retired with a gearbox failure but won in 2007, 2009 and finished 4th in 2011.

Always very hot and its a circuit where you have to get into the groove with. Its tight and twisty and extremely dirty if you stray offline. Only one serious significant overtake opportunity which is the long start finish straight but even with DRS I reckon overtaking will still prove extremely difficult. Good traction off the final corner, coupled with a big chunk of KERS boost and a varied selection of relatively short gear ratios is key to staying in front.
Tyres and track temperatures will be key. Hopefully the recent upgrades introduced by McLaren will give Lewis and Jenson just what they need to achieve a double podium finish.
Key for a great result around the Hungaroring is
1. Good qualifying position
2. Quick pitstops
3. Track position
4. The obvious, a quick car thats kind to its tyres on the day.


vonuber

17,868 posts

167 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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I think Alonso will win, Vettel second, Hamilton third and Ciderwithcerbie will shoehorn a criticism of MSC in somewhere regardless of context.

Sofoklis

102 posts

144 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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Il put my money where my mouth is and say Lewis from Button from Webber. Lewis to win by at least a margin of 10secs +.

davepoth

29,395 posts

201 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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BBC long range forecast says rain on Saturday and Sunday.

I'm amazed we still haven't seen a Lotus on the top step this season.

Sofoklis

102 posts

144 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
10 Pence Short said:
Maybe Massa will spring into action this weekend?
more chance of summer hitting cumbria wink
Wasn't this the race where Massa did spring into action (excuse the pun) by collecting Barichello rear damper spring in the face back in 2010?

skinny

5,269 posts

237 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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ooh didn't realise this was back-to-back...

hamilton will want to get back to the front following the disaster of the german GP and the mclaren looks to be quick again. but can't count out vettel who is pretty quick at the moment and also had a bad result. then alonso who's the best driver in one of the top cars.

alonso, vettel, hamilton. alonso on pole.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

173 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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davepoth said:
BBC long range forecast says rain on Saturday and Sunday.

I'm amazed we still haven't seen a Lotus on the top step this season.
I hope that the next GP changes that.

Life Saab Itch

Original Poster:

37,068 posts

190 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Sofoklis said:
Wasn't this the race where Massa did spring into action (excuse the pun) by collecting Barichello rear damper spring in the face back in 2010?
Yes but it was 2009.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

268 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Are RB likely to be impacted by any of the working committees this week and have to modify their engine maps, potentially losing them their edge (well, Vettels anyway).

I haven't found anything significant, except that they seemed to have a way of torque limiting under full throttle acceleration to minimise wheel-spin and, possibly, improve off-throttle downforce via the exhausts.

Fire99

9,844 posts

231 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Smart money is on Alonso but Hamilton and Button could mix it up a bit. I'd expect Raikkonen to finish in the top 5.

P-Jay

10,626 posts

193 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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If it's dry, Hamilton

Fresh gearbox, once again competitive McL and slipping to 5th in the WDC meaning settling for a good 3rd and safe points might not be the smart move.



davepoth

29,395 posts

201 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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mondeoman said:
Are RB likely to be impacted by any of the working committees this week and have to modify their engine maps, potentially losing them their edge (well, Vettels anyway).

I haven't found anything significant, except that they seemed to have a way of torque limiting under full throttle acceleration to minimise wheel-spin and, possibly, improve off-throttle downforce via the exhausts.
As I said in the last thread, the torque limiting under acceleration is more likely to be a significantly retarded ignition map at low revs. That would stop the engine from producing full power at a point in the rev range that isn't normally used in the race, but would mean that if the car was left in a higher gear than normal for engine braking it would his that part of the rev range when slowing down, causing exhaust blowing.

Full throttle needs less advance than idle for optimal running so it should be possible to make it work in this fashion. I really don't think they have any particular traction advantage from it but the whole back end of the car has been progressively redesigned around indirectly exhaust blowing the diffuser since Monaco.

DanDC5

18,852 posts

169 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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I'm going for a Mark Webber win this weekend, Button second and Alonso 3rd.

CypherP

4,387 posts

194 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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I feel that McLaren will do well, but I think Ferrari, particularly Alonzo could have another good weekend. Hopefully Mark Webber will do well too, as I'm quite enjoying Webber's season so far.

Daston

6,083 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Lookig at the timings from the race on Sunday it should be rather close if it stays dry. Alonso, Vettle, Button and Hamilton were all very close in terms of lap times.

For quali I am going to say either Alonso or Vettle on pole they both are able to pump very fast laps in when needed, them Hamilton then Button.

Race results I think it will be Alonso, Hamilton, Button.

It does seem Button fights back quite well when the chips are down, maybe Martin should get him fired up by insulting his mother or something just before lights out.