So, Tomorrow's the day! (FIA World Council)
Poll: So, Tomorrow's the day! (FIA World Council)
Total Members Polled: 168
Discussion
I predict;
- Docked the WCC points for the race.
- But no subsequent points promotion for other drivers/teams.
- A "token" fine.
- Suspended ban for several races for future team order-type decisions.
- FA and FM points unaffected, no driver penalities whatsoever.
What should happen;
- Ferrari expelled from the WCC.
- Massive fine.
- Investigation into removal of team orders from the regs.
- Docked the WCC points for the race.
- But no subsequent points promotion for other drivers/teams.
- A "token" fine.
- Suspended ban for several races for future team order-type decisions.
- FA and FM points unaffected, no driver penalities whatsoever.
What should happen;
- Ferrari expelled from the WCC.
- Massive fine.
- Investigation into removal of team orders from the regs.
I don't see how they can let Alonso keep the 25 points.
The very purpose of the manoeuvre was to gift him the extra 7 points for 1st rather than 2nd. To let that gain stand would be illogical (okay, I know, FIA-logical - it doesn't really hang together).
I'd say that to penalise Alonso at least some WDC points is perhaps the single most likely outcome, although, ironically, now that Alonso is pretty much out of the WDC running, to lose those points would prob not have much effect on the team.
The very purpose of the manoeuvre was to gift him the extra 7 points for 1st rather than 2nd. To let that gain stand would be illogical (okay, I know, FIA-logical - it doesn't really hang together).
I'd say that to penalise Alonso at least some WDC points is perhaps the single most likely outcome, although, ironically, now that Alonso is pretty much out of the WDC running, to lose those points would prob not have much effect on the team.
FA and PM to lose all their points. Other drivers not to be given any more. Ferrari to lose their points, no increase for other cars.
Suspended five race ban for the rest of this season. Establishment of committee to look into team orders and way to police.
That way FA will be still in with a shout at the WDC and Ferrari for the WCC but they'll have to work at it so that keeps us interested. Ferrari will moan. And moan and moan again. But the review of team orders rules will mean that we might get some changes.
Suspended five race ban for the rest of this season. Establishment of committee to look into team orders and way to police.
That way FA will be still in with a shout at the WDC and Ferrari for the WCC but they'll have to work at it so that keeps us interested. Ferrari will moan. And moan and moan again. But the review of team orders rules will mean that we might get some changes.
flemke said:
I don't see how they can let Alonso keep the 25 points.
The very purpose of the manoeuvre was to gift him the extra 7 points for 1st rather than 2nd. To let that gain stand would be illogical (okay, I know, FIA-logical - it doesn't really hang together).
I'd say that to penalise Alonso at least some WDC points is perhaps the single most likely outcome, although, ironically, now that Alonso is pretty much out of the WDC running, to lose those points would prob not have much effect on the team.
It's easy to paint Alonso as the arch villain in all of this, and I will be straight in saying that I'd need no encouragement to do so either, but on this occasion I'm inclined to argue it was Massa who should be punished more severely. And I am talking cold light of day, trying to apply some sort of logic to my own knee jerk inclination to shout 'stone him' in a Monty Python style every time Alonso so much as pause for breath...The very purpose of the manoeuvre was to gift him the extra 7 points for 1st rather than 2nd. To let that gain stand would be illogical (okay, I know, FIA-logical - it doesn't really hang together).
I'd say that to penalise Alonso at least some WDC points is perhaps the single most likely outcome, although, ironically, now that Alonso is pretty much out of the WDC running, to lose those points would prob not have much effect on the team.
Massa was the one who deliberately slowed to start with. It can be argued that Alonso merely did what any race driver would and should do... He drove past a slower car. Why should he be punished for doing that? Take at face value there is no other radio transmission to Alonso before incriminating him too, you gotta say Massa was the one who conspired to fix a race result. Because that is what he did, be it on team orders or not, and so it is Massa who should be punished should the FIA decide to meter out penalties to the drivers.
Obviously we all know Alonso was in on the arrangement, but if the assumption is correct that there are no transmissions incriminating him he is unlikely to show any integrity or character as a human being now and take the blame along with Massa. 'Why should I?' I suspect he is thinking to himself. Hell, he ain't ever done it before when the stakes were arguably higher for those he landed in it!!
Stone him!!!!
Ferrari WDC points removed
Big fk off fine suspended for the rest of the season as long as they behave
Drivers unpunished or given best behaviour suspended sentences
Internally I suspect Rob Smedley has had his arse kicked from here to next year for making such a deliberately brazen job of screwing his own driver over
mattikake said:
I predict;
- Docked the WCC points for the race.
- But no subsequent points promotion for other drivers/teams.
- A "token" fine.
- Suspended ban for several races for future team order-type decisions.
- FA and FM points unaffected, no driver penalities whatsoever.
What should happen;
- Ferrari expelled from the WCC.
- Massive fine.
- Investigation into removal of team orders from the regs.
I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I agree with Mattikake. - Docked the WCC points for the race.
- But no subsequent points promotion for other drivers/teams.
- A "token" fine.
- Suspended ban for several races for future team order-type decisions.
- FA and FM points unaffected, no driver penalities whatsoever.
What should happen;
- Ferrari expelled from the WCC.
- Massive fine.
- Investigation into removal of team orders from the regs.
Asterix said:
Is this an actual 'sentancing' thing tomorrow or just a hearing and then another future date for the decision?
Although possible that WMSC would delay a decision, normally they hear and decide on the same day.At least in recent years, that has been facilitated by the fact that the council members would have engaged in considerable discussion amongst themselves in the run-up to the hearing. In the old days, it was obvious that Mosley got people teed up well in advance, so that the hearing itself was a mere formality.
Now that Todt is not allowed to participate in the decision/verdict, his freedom to network beforehand is probably quite limited. That would not, however, prevent the political types on the WMSC from taking on that role themselves.
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