RE: F1's Button wants to stay at BAR

RE: F1's Button wants to stay at BAR

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flemke

22,878 posts

239 months

Saturday 3rd September 2005
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rubystone said:
Rossi has now completed the requisite number of laps to be granted a Superlicence, although I believe that the final rubber stamp is in Mosley's hands.
Indeed, one has to think that it would take the FIA all of about 0.02 seconds to grant him the SL. They're desperate for ways of re-kindling interest in the "sport" and even the worst case of two years of VR's trying but failing to succeed would interest many of us.

rubystone

11,254 posts

261 months

Saturday 3rd September 2005
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Yes Flemke - it's interesting to see Ferrari going public on its intention to give Rossi carte blanche in testing for them. Another example of their cosy relationship with the FIA I guess.

flemke

22,878 posts

239 months

Saturday 3rd September 2005
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rubystone said:
Yes Flemke - it's interesting to see Ferrari going public on its intention to give Rossi carte blanche in testing for them. Another example of their cosy relationship with the FIA I guess.
"Cosy relationship"? Hmmm...
For a relationship to exist, do there not need to be two separate entities, as opposed to a single self-interested entity with two faces?

rubystone

11,254 posts

261 months

Saturday 3rd September 2005
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.....and don't AMD sponsor Ferrari BTW?...

flemke

22,878 posts

239 months

Saturday 3rd September 2005
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rubystone said:
.....and don't AMD sponsor Ferrari BTW?...
Sorry, how does that relate?

flemke

22,878 posts

239 months

Saturday 3rd September 2005
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Got it, thanks.

In the same article we can read a classic from Young Oswald: We didn't realise how important (passing) was to the fans until recently.
Is this guy for real? Why does he think people watch motor racing - because we're fascinated by pitstops?
What an ass.

[k]ar|

949 posts

248 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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I agree with flemke - this just goes to show how far removed max and co are from the general race-watching public.

I must say that I am also somewhat unconvinced that CFD, or whatever technological wizadry AMD are providing, will on it's own allow the FIA to conclusively get to the bottom of the "overtaking problem". I would submit that perhaps a retired F1 designer or a meeting of current F1 tech bosses should propose a radical re-conception of the technical regulations. Previous FIA "solutions" have usually only ended up excasurbating the original problems.

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flemke

22,878 posts

239 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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Can anyone name anything that the FIA has not made worse?

JonRB

74,937 posts

274 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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flemke said:
In the same article we can read a classic from Young Oswald: We didn't realise how important (passing) was to the fans until recently.
Is this guy for real? Why does he think people watch motor racing - because we're fascinated by pitstops?
What an ass.
Indeed. What an astonishing statement for him to make.
He may as well have said "We only recently realised that motor racing fans actually wanted to see some motor racing" - the statements are fairly equivalent.

kevinday

11,701 posts

282 months

Monday 5th September 2005
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flemke said:
Can anyone name anything that the FIA has not made worse?


A MacDonalds meal

rubystone

11,254 posts

261 months

Monday 5th September 2005
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One element of F1 Racing Magazine that I particularly enjoy is Gary Anderson's comments on the latest mods the teams have made to their cars. He's currently "retired" (although rumours link him to Irvine's attempts to buy a team) and would surely be the perfect man to assist the FIA. He doesn't take any bullshit, doesn't suffer fools gladly and AFAIK doesn't bear grudges either.

flemke

22,878 posts

239 months

Monday 5th September 2005
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rubystone said:
One element of F1 Racing Magazine that I particularly enjoy is Gary Anderson's comments on the latest mods the teams have made to their cars. He's currently "retired" (although rumours link him to Irvine's attempts to buy a team) and would surely be the perfect man to assist the FIA. He doesn't take any bullshit, doesn't suffer fools gladly and AFAIK doesn't bear grudges either.
If he were to work for the FIA, he would need to suffer scumbags gladly.

55jnj

555 posts

286 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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55jnj said:

FW's contract would appear to be rock-solid. JB's word would appear not to be. JB could however prove be a PR liability for Williams if FW does enforce the contract. FW should therefore play hard-ball on negotiations with BAR & get the highest possible contractual buy-out of the contract he can.

In that way everyone wins (except maybe BAR's bank account).


Looks like an announcement is due any day to say BAR have indeed bought out JB's contract from Williams who are likely to be about ten million squid better off. Nice one Frank.

rubystone

11,254 posts

261 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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£10m is a bargain - Williams should have held out for more and perhaps he has - truth is unlikely to come out in the short term, but look out for lots of Honda Civics in Grove car park next year Precedent set - Mercedes re-equipped Sauber with new vehicles as part of the Raikkonen deal

flemke

22,878 posts

239 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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rubystone said:
£10m is a bargain - Williams should have held out for more and perhaps he has -
The press release quoted in the other thread indicates that £10 large is the amount that Button will receive annually from Honda, not the compensation that Williams will receive from Honda/Button.
That salary would be in line with what Raikkonen has been getting, although probably about of half what KR will be paid in his new contract.

rubystone

11,254 posts

261 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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flemke said:
£10 large


£10,000 large, surely Flemke

I am backing Button here, stuff honour and all that - win at all costs dammit!

Now that the bottleneck has been unblocked, who's next to be confirmed?

flemke

22,878 posts

239 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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rubystone said:

flemke said:
£10 large



£10,000 large, surely Flemke

Or, £10 large large.

Different people may speak different languages.

I suspect that most people in F1 consider a unit of £1,000 in fact to be small.

GarrettMacD

831 posts

234 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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flemke said:

rubystone said:
£10m is a bargain - Williams should have held out for more and perhaps he has -

The press release quoted in the other thread indicates that £10 large is the amount that Button will receive annually from Honda, not the compensation that Williams will receive from Honda/Button.
That salary would be in line with what Raikkonen has been getting, although probably about of half what KR will be paid in his new contract.



So what will Williams get??? Should it not be Button's Annual Salary X the numbers of years, so that should be £10m x 3yrs = £30m.

And Frank did say words to the effect of... "Not less than £25m"

Good bit of business, that - getting rid of a driver who does a good impression of the bloke in the wheelchair in 'Little Britain' (I want that one, no I want that one) and replace with MW and probably either Davidson/Villeneuve/Pizzonia for 2006, and Rosberg for 2007.

With the £25m from Button, plus Pizzonia's sponsorship, FW would be getting at least £35m just from those two sources, before all other sponsorhip is taken into account.

rubystone

11,254 posts

261 months

Monday 19th September 2005
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flemke said:

rubystone said:


flemke said:
£10 large




£10,000 large, surely Flemke


Or, £10 large large.

Different people may speak different languages.

I suspect that most people in F1 consider a unit of £1,000 in fact to be small.


Actually, that'll be half a Bernie I guess...