The WRC 2012 Thread
Discussion
DanDC5 said:
Not a bad rally really, the winner was pretty a much a guarantee after the 1st day, but good to see Solberg back in a factory car. And not a bad performance on his debut. Just a shame MINI don't have Kris Meeke in the car with Sordo, seems like that car has some serious pace.
The noise though of the Mini is incredible.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLd8IWTxIA
I went to the stages in the Ardeche this year, luckily I have friends who live there. Have to say it was fantastic particularly the seemingly impromptu pull over in Lamastre just begone the final stage of day 2. Got really close the both cars and drivers.
Definitely going to go again next year and also head south for the Col de Turini (let's hope for snow!)
The access is fantastic, totally free and you can get really close to the cars. I can't believe I'd have to pay over the odds for the privilege of watching inferior cars from 200m away if I choose to watch the Sunseeker Rally next month!
Definitely going to go again next year and also head south for the Col de Turini (let's hope for snow!)
The access is fantastic, totally free and you can get really close to the cars. I can't believe I'd have to pay over the odds for the privilege of watching inferior cars from 200m away if I choose to watch the Sunseeker Rally next month!
joe58 said:
DanDC5 said:
Not a bad rally really, the winner was pretty a much a guarantee after the 1st day, but good to see Solberg back in a factory car. And not a bad performance on his debut. Just a shame MINI don't have Kris Meeke in the car with Sordo, seems like that car has some serious pace.
The noise though of the Mini is incredible.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLd8IWTxIA
GTRacer1 said:
n what way?
We have already seen a massive drop in the quality of the highlights program, Were hardly getting any In-Car camera views, They have missed a ton of action, Over half the program is spent reviewing previous days, We have 1 in-car angle, Weve lost Virtual spectator (Yeah Simulcam is cool but only covers a limited area while Virtual spectator could cover entire stages if you wanted it to) plus we have Carlton Kirby putting on an dreadfull voice over (Despite what he says he isn't even a fan of motorsport so does no preperation hence why he makes so many mistakes).
That wasn't Carlton Kirby. It's one of the usual WRC reporters, who I remember hearing alongside Paul King doing the Powerstages last year. I'm sure the coverage will pick up once the problems get sorted out.We have already seen a massive drop in the quality of the highlights program, Were hardly getting any In-Car camera views, They have missed a ton of action, Over half the program is spent reviewing previous days, We have 1 in-car angle, Weve lost Virtual spectator (Yeah Simulcam is cool but only covers a limited area while Virtual spectator could cover entire stages if you wanted it to) plus we have Carlton Kirby putting on an dreadfull voice over (Despite what he says he isn't even a fan of motorsport so does no preperation hence why he makes so many mistakes).
joe58 said:
But that sound of the Mini anti-lag is violent beyond reason.
Get a grip Old Man! 
the mini’s bring out the inner 10 year old in people. Noise like this needs to be appreciated or they will all end up sounding like the R2 class cars!
Besides its no more violent than any other WRC car in all honesty.
I took these vids on the start line of this years RallyGB
Kris Meeke - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVMIrlTL7yM
Compared to
Petter Solberg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl5NcRjg4Wo
And just for the pleasure of sound
Shakedown mini - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDG0FB65Muc
and following Nobre's Mini on a road section (sounds not amazing, but listen at 1:00
) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvc8A19tenQGTRacer1 said:
We have already seen a massive drop in the quality of the highlights program.
What North One Sport had planned for the coverage this year would have been 1000x better than what were going to get from Eurosport. They had lots of live online coverage planned, had upgraded a lot of there camera equipment & HD coverage was planned, Thay had a ton of in-car cameras included a ton of different angles, ever car carried an in-car camera & there in-car cameras recorded to media inside the car (the Eurosport units are all live so rely on where the helecopter reciever is & if director has that cars unit live on the mixing desk) so everything was caught from at least an in-car.
All the investment in new equipment still didn’t stop the company from going down the pan tho, and while their effort to provide better coverage is commendable, its of little use to anyone right now. Surely they could have sold the units/tech off to someone like eurosport to help keep the sport running/covered and not done as they have with the timing gear and kept hold of it in a kinda ‘its ours, so no one else can have it’ way.What North One Sport had planned for the coverage this year would have been 1000x better than what were going to get from Eurosport. They had lots of live online coverage planned, had upgraded a lot of there camera equipment & HD coverage was planned, Thay had a ton of in-car cameras included a ton of different angles, ever car carried an in-car camera & there in-car cameras recorded to media inside the car (the Eurosport units are all live so rely on where the helecopter reciever is & if director has that cars unit live on the mixing desk) so everything was caught from at least an in-car.
You also need to bear in mind that eurosport took over the filming rights fairly late in the game aas far as rally monte is concerned, not giving them much time to mobilise all they may have needed for better coverage.
Still its better than we have had recently. Most of the stuff i’ve caught last year was garbage, and before that it was a 60min prog filled with the idiotic neil cole teaching us the difference between gravel and mud and tarmac and snow before going ‘ohh yeah, heres 5 mins of rallying from today’.
GTRacer1 said:
We only saw Ogier's crash from the fan-cam, had North One been covering this event we would have got a couple different in-car angles (As most cars carried 3 in-car units giving different angles).
For a long long time, any off or incident was courtesy of ‘fancam’. Even McRae’s title ending crash in GB2001 was better filmed on fancam, the incar video looks spectacular, but you still don’t get the full effect of the crash until you see the podyparts crumpling/flying off from the outside. Incar is merely sky/ground/sky/ground/trees/ground/sky/stop.The Excession said:
Was it McRae who had a ban for speeding and so his navigator had to drive the road sections?
I also remember a bit of tv footage with Gronholm arguing with Traff Pol that even though his car was missing a wheel he could still drive it back to service. The police were having none of it saying you can't drive that anywhere. Marcus was adament that he could drive it, only they wouldn't let him
Yeah, the South Wales Police did very little that year to demonstrate the love for rallying most of us locals have I also remember a bit of tv footage with Gronholm arguing with Traff Pol that even though his car was missing a wheel he could still drive it back to service. The police were having none of it saying you can't drive that anywhere. Marcus was adament that he could drive it, only they wouldn't let him
P I Staker said:
They are in Monaco just now at Rascasse corner doing a regroup.
ETA: They have a service area somewhere around there as well.
Hi All,ETA: They have a service area somewhere around there as well.
Just to let you know I made it!
Saw them all driving up to the palace, and then made it to the presentations at the palace.
Was excellent- they then all parked up at the harbour and it was all hands on; even stick your head in.
Suprised on how quiet the cars are through the streets between stages.
HF
PSBuckshot said:
melvster said:
I would like to see Petter Solberg win a rally or 2 this year, has had quite a few tough years in the WRC after his championship win in 2003.
With you on this. For sure he is the most likeable driver in the WRC
IainW said:
GTRacer1 said:
n what way?
We have already seen a massive drop in the quality of the highlights program, Were hardly getting any In-Car camera views, They have missed a ton of action, Over half the program is spent reviewing previous days, We have 1 in-car angle, Weve lost Virtual spectator (Yeah Simulcam is cool but only covers a limited area while Virtual spectator could cover entire stages if you wanted it to) plus we have Carlton Kirby putting on an dreadfull voice over (Despite what he says he isn't even a fan of motorsport so does no preperation hence why he makes so many mistakes).
That wasn't Carlton Kirby. It's one of the usual WRC reporters, who I remember hearing alongside Paul King doing the Powerstages last year. I'm sure the coverage will pick up once the problems get sorted out.We have already seen a massive drop in the quality of the highlights program, Were hardly getting any In-Car camera views, They have missed a ton of action, Over half the program is spent reviewing previous days, We have 1 in-car angle, Weve lost Virtual spectator (Yeah Simulcam is cool but only covers a limited area while Virtual spectator could cover entire stages if you wanted it to) plus we have Carlton Kirby putting on an dreadfull voice over (Despite what he says he isn't even a fan of motorsport so does no preperation hence why he makes so many mistakes).
TankRS said:
joe58 said:
But that sound of the Mini anti-lag is violent beyond reason.
Get a grip Old Man! the mini’s bring out the inner 10 year old in people. Noise like this needs to be appreciated or they will all end up sounding like the R2 class cars!
Besides its no more violent than any other WRC car in all honesty.
EDLT said:
The person making all of the mistakes only did the first day, Carlton "worse than Leggard" Kirby ruined the rest of the weekend.
My view exactly.As with his Dakar coverage he repeatedly says anyone who's slightly off the pace 'is playing the long game', usually followed by an interview of said driver saying he's pushing as hard as he can.
Bring back Paul King.
EDLT said:
The person making all of the mistakes only did the first day, Carlton "worse than Leggard" Kirby ruined the rest of the weekend.
Ah I see. I couldn't see the rest of it, so didn't know they'd got Carlton in. Love the sound of that Mini, even on the road section. Followed a few WRCs on road sections on the Jim Clark and the noise travels for quite a distance.
Cyder said:
joe58 said:
Really not going to get into a debate on design on Pistonheads...
Awww g'wan, it's funny seeing the armchair expert designers creep out of the woodwork and offer their opinion based on 5/8's of f
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