Hamilton to Mercedes
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DanDC5 said:
Life Saab Itch said:
Dear god, this thread and the one titled Hamilton have really brought out all the bellends on PH.
Hamilton threads always do for some reason. It seems to be a sign of some of the new fans Hamilton mania has brought to F1.RichB said:
DanDC5 said:
Life Saab Itch said:
Dear god, this thread and the one titled Hamilton have really brought out all the bellends on PH.
Hamilton threads always do for some reason. It seems to be a sign of some of the new fans Hamilton mania has brought to F1.I think it does come from the popularisation of the sport. If you aren't that into cars, a lot of the intrigue comes from personalities.
From mass popularisation will then spring a particularly militant band of fans for anyone, who seem to elevate their chosenfavourite to the level of 'deity'. Hamilton and Raikonen seem to have a particular proclivaty for these individuals. Button has grown his own merry band too.
The trouble is the Button and Hamilton superfans now seem basically unable to talk about the one without being derisory about the other.
From mass popularisation will then spring a particularly militant band of fans for anyone, who seem to elevate their chosenfavourite to the level of 'deity'. Hamilton and Raikonen seem to have a particular proclivaty for these individuals. Button has grown his own merry band too.
The trouble is the Button and Hamilton superfans now seem basically unable to talk about the one without being derisory about the other.
DanDC5 said:
I've made it clear I'm not a fan of his before but how people who are/aren't fans struggle to have an objective debate and see both sides is genuinely baffling.
There's an absolute classic from a chap called Housen on the other tread about 6 down. Can't tell if it's a poor attempt at ironic humour or if it's a serious post - I worry if it is! 
Life Saab Itch said:
Dear god, this thread and the one titled Hamilton have really brought out all the bellends on PH.
Hamilton always does.
You should see the comments section on PlanetF1 and, in particular the moron that is 'ronlewisron'... just unbelievable drivel. Or 'dribble' as someone on there once insisted upon saying.
Life Saab Itch said:
deadslow said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Never did Alonso any harm before penning deal with Santandar and Ferrari after his dissapointing and scandalous spell at Mclaren then onto Renault.
The Alonso/McLaren pairing was a disappointment on a lot of levels, but don't forget, it was McLaren who supplied the scandal, not Alonso. RD was forced out of the sport and they were slapped with the biggest fine in sporting history, which they accepted meekly without appeal.Ron Dennis didn't step down from his role as Team Principal until Liegate not Spygate (although he had already announced his intention to step down at the start of 2009).
deadslow said:
The Alonso/McLaren pairing was a disappointment on a lot of levels, but don't forget, it was McLaren who supplied the scandal, not Alonso. RD was forced out of the sport and they were slapped with the biggest fine in sporting history, which they accepted meekly without appeal.
It was Alonso who acted illegally, not RD.It was Alonso who threatened RD with going to the bloke who was doing some volunteer work in the FIA and telling them that he had acted illegally.
It was RD who, on being threatened, went to Ecclestone's puppet and told him what Alonso had told him. RD acted impeccably. More than could be said of Alonso.
There is no real means for appeal against the decision of the 'court' so RD was left with nowhere to go.
RD did not take it lying down and in fact wrote a letter to the FIA and this bloke doing unpaid work experience and told them that the decision was wrong on virtually all counts. This was very risky. The letter was written by lawyers but in essence once found guilty the most sensible course of action is to roll up in a ball and take it.
It was RD who challenged the amateur who thought he was in charge of F1 and eventually received an apology.
RD did indeed stop attending F1 races for a while but we must remember who came out on top in the end. The Stepneygate scandal backfired. The person who pulled the trigger lost his sinicure and the target went on from strength to strength.
As for the fine, the FIA boasted on its website about how they had spent around 10% or so of the money and then dropped the subject. The size was without precedent. It was almost as if it was personal.
I don't know what happened and I would suggest that there are few who do and they are keeping stum. However, to suggest that it was RD and not Alonso who acted incorrectly is patently wrong. Even the bloke who was kicked out of the FIA had to admit that. Further, far from 'meekly' accepting the decision they fought it as far as they could and further. The rejection letter is a classic of its king: it was brilliant and must have wound up certain people, those it was aimed at. I also know that far from being 'forced out' of F1, I've seen RD at races since that fine. And I feel certain that he had input in the team throughout.
There's enough authoratative comment on the web about the incident to support what I say.
doogz said:
longblackcoat said:
Previous McLaren statement was along the lines of "we've spoken to LH's management team and this Mercedes story is all rubbish". Clearly LH saying publicly that he's undecided demonstrates that it's not just EJ speculating, there's a real possibility he'll leave. Not proof that he will do so, obviously, nor that a contract/pre-contract has been signed, but it's a bit more serious than just Eddie pontificating.
I've highlighted the bits I'm having problems with.I've asked the guy beside me what he's doing tonight. He said he doesn't know.
I speculate he'll be f
king a donkey.Does that mean there's the slightest bit of truth in it?
It's not a bit more serious than EJ pontificating, that's exactly what it is.
You have to agree though, both EJ and LH have done a sterling job of redirecting the focus onto who Lewis will be driving for rather than his Twitter antics.
Derek Smith said:
It was Alonso who acted illegally, not RD.
It was Alonso who threatened RD with going to the bloke who was doing some volunteer work in the FIA and telling them that he had acted illegally.
It was RD who, on being threatened, went to Ecclestone's puppet and told him what Alonso had told him. RD acted impeccably. More than could be said of Alonso.
There is no real means for appeal against the decision of the 'court' so RD was left with nowhere to go.
RD did not take it lying down and in fact wrote a letter to the FIA and this bloke doing unpaid work experience and told them that the decision was wrong on virtually all counts. This was very risky. The letter was written by lawyers but in essence once found guilty the most sensible course of action is to roll up in a ball and take it.
It was RD who challenged the amateur who thought he was in charge of F1 and eventually received an apology.
RD did indeed stop attending F1 races for a while but we must remember who came out on top in the end. The Stepneygate scandal backfired. The person who pulled the trigger lost his sinicure and the target went on from strength to strength.
As for the fine, the FIA boasted on its website about how they had spent around 10% or so of the money and then dropped the subject. The size was without precedent. It was almost as if it was personal.
I don't know what happened and I would suggest that there are few who do and they are keeping stum. However, to suggest that it was RD and not Alonso who acted incorrectly is patently wrong. Even the bloke who was kicked out of the FIA had to admit that. Further, far from 'meekly' accepting the decision they fought it as far as they could and further. The rejection letter is a classic of its king: it was brilliant and must have wound up certain people, those it was aimed at. I also know that far from being 'forced out' of F1, I've seen RD at races since that fine. And I feel certain that he had input in the team throughout.
There's enough authoratative comment on the web about the incident to support what I say.
I think that Alonso is a fine driver, one of the greats. However, his character has perhaps found to be a little wanting at times. The issue you alluded to above (will you ever use the fascists name again It was Alonso who threatened RD with going to the bloke who was doing some volunteer work in the FIA and telling them that he had acted illegally.
It was RD who, on being threatened, went to Ecclestone's puppet and told him what Alonso had told him. RD acted impeccably. More than could be said of Alonso.
There is no real means for appeal against the decision of the 'court' so RD was left with nowhere to go.
RD did not take it lying down and in fact wrote a letter to the FIA and this bloke doing unpaid work experience and told them that the decision was wrong on virtually all counts. This was very risky. The letter was written by lawyers but in essence once found guilty the most sensible course of action is to roll up in a ball and take it.
It was RD who challenged the amateur who thought he was in charge of F1 and eventually received an apology.
RD did indeed stop attending F1 races for a while but we must remember who came out on top in the end. The Stepneygate scandal backfired. The person who pulled the trigger lost his sinicure and the target went on from strength to strength.
As for the fine, the FIA boasted on its website about how they had spent around 10% or so of the money and then dropped the subject. The size was without precedent. It was almost as if it was personal.
I don't know what happened and I would suggest that there are few who do and they are keeping stum. However, to suggest that it was RD and not Alonso who acted incorrectly is patently wrong. Even the bloke who was kicked out of the FIA had to admit that. Further, far from 'meekly' accepting the decision they fought it as far as they could and further. The rejection letter is a classic of its king: it was brilliant and must have wound up certain people, those it was aimed at. I also know that far from being 'forced out' of F1, I've seen RD at races since that fine. And I feel certain that he had input in the team throughout.
There's enough authoratative comment on the web about the incident to support what I say.
) is something a lot of people tend to forget. I also won't forget Alonso deliberately holding up the slightly quicker Lewis in the pitlane either.Derek Smith said:
There is no real means for appeal against the decision of the 'court' so RD was left with nowhere to go.
It depends on the terms of the contract between entrants and the FIA but it is likely that McLaren could have taken an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) had they wanted to (the FIA must recognise it as they have ruled on other appeals against the FIA).longblackcoat said:
hairykrishna said:
I remember distinctly around the time there were rumours of Schumacher coming back EJ telling everyone who'd listen that it definitely wasn't happening. He says all kinds of things without any knowledge. I think he's often just repeating paddock rumours. I wouldn't be surprised if some people just make stuff up to see if they can get him to publish it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8368107.stm Yep, he was definitive that it wasn't happening
My memories rubbish!aryastark said:
robmlufc said:
McLaren should have just stuck with Alonso.
What, the same double world chamion that was outdriven by a rookie in his first season in f1!? captainsensible said:
That tweet at the weekend was the behaviour of someone that has done a deal somwhere else - it was too cocky and absolutely gauranteed to make Whitmarsh and the rest of the team go cross eyed - LH absolutely knew he was leaving Mclaren when he did that. Schumacher is def on his way - the Ecclestone senile gaff said it all - and LH to Merc. Ross Brawn will be like a big Uncle to him and I think it'll work out.
Methinks you credit Lewis with more intelligence than he has. One of his problems is that he wears his heart on his sleeve. In the case of the tweet, I think he was indeed trying to explain why he was so off the pace - no malice intended - it simply didn't even occur to him that confidential information was displayed on the screenprint.belleair302 said:
And how much of the Mercedes=Benz F1 car is supplied from Stuttgart....not much. Most of the parts are either made in house from the CAD/CAM design people or from local specialists.....or from McLaren and TAG!!!!
Same goes for 90% of what's on the grid. Always amused me to see the array of gearbox parts on a bench at Xtrac - all marked up with the names of every team on the grid....despite some claiming they build everything. Didn't Ferrari source their engine blocks from a foundry in someone's back garden in Birmingham?longblackcoat said:
hairykrishna said:
I remember distinctly around the time there were rumours of Schumacher coming back EJ telling everyone who'd listen that it definitely wasn't happening. He says all kinds of things without any knowledge. I think he's often just repeating paddock rumours. I wouldn't be surprised if some people just make stuff up to see if they can get him to publish it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8368107.stm Yep, he was definitive that it wasn't happening
ks, ej never lies. Massa just had a bump on the chin. Also, his dress sence is tasteful.Edited by Some Gump on Thursday 6th September 18:03
Rollcage said:
I think that Alonso is a fine driver, one of the greats. However, his character has perhaps found to be a little wanting at times. The issue you alluded to above (will you ever use the fascists name again ) is something a lot of people tend to forget. I also won't forget Alonso deliberately holding up the slightly quicker Lewis in the pitlane either.
He seems to have changed from what I've seen. The last couple of years he has, if not mellowed, then behaved better. I'm all for giving a guy a second chance - I've made enough mistakes in my time. Mind you, I've still got to try blackmail of my boss. ) is something a lot of people tend to forget. I also won't forget Alonso deliberately holding up the slightly quicker Lewis in the pitlane either.Let's face it, you'd have to be a bit black and white to suggest that F1 would be the poorer if he left.
After he and LH were eliminated at the first corner in Spa I said to my wife that the race, as far as excitement was concerned, was over. Wrong again. Thoroughly exciting race.
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