Poll: Pirelli tyres
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Discussion
rdjohn said:
Did we not witness the most farcical qualifying session ever today?
If McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes with their big budgets and loads of engineers cannot plan a sensible strategy with these joker tyres, then why not do something more sensible - like draw lots for grid places.
Teams would at least have decent sets of tyres to plan their strategy for a more sensible race.
You have an agenda. This level of bile is not simply driven by spectator concerns.If McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes with their big budgets and loads of engineers cannot plan a sensible strategy with these joker tyres, then why not do something more sensible - like draw lots for grid places.
Teams would at least have decent sets of tyres to plan their strategy for a more sensible race.
Even the people in the F1 paddock love the closeness and unpredictability of the results at the moment.
Which tyre company do you work for?
Ahonen said:
rdjohn said:
Did we not witness the most farcical qualifying session ever today?
If McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes with their big budgets and loads of engineers cannot plan a sensible strategy with these joker tyres, then why not do something more sensible - like draw lots for grid places.
Teams would at least have decent sets of tyres to plan their strategy for a more sensible race.
You have an agenda. This level of bile is not simply driven by spectator concerns.If McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes with their big budgets and loads of engineers cannot plan a sensible strategy with these joker tyres, then why not do something more sensible - like draw lots for grid places.
Teams would at least have decent sets of tyres to plan their strategy for a more sensible race.
Even the people in the F1 paddock love the closeness and unpredictability of the results at the moment.
Which tyre company do you work for?
TheHeretic said:
Eric Mc said:
As it always used to be.
It's only since the 1990s that tyres became predictable and bomb-proof.
Ask Moss about how they had to manage tyres (and brakes, and gearboxes, and engines, and clutches etc etc).
It's only since the 1990s that tyres became predictable and bomb-proof.
Ask Moss about how they had to manage tyres (and brakes, and gearboxes, and engines, and clutches etc etc).
Absolutely.yes, nobody is suggesting that part of driving is getting the best out of a tyre, however, what we have now is nothing like that.
if we had less of the artificial bulls
t with gutless engines, DRS, Kers, etc and get back to real engineering, less aero (cut the dam wings off!) and proper tyres, then we would be back to where Sir Stirling left off.Tyres have never been bomb-proof, it only looked like that when it was back to a single supplier, so no reason to push the boat out, when Michelin and Bridgestone competed, then we say development, and the differences between how the tyres worked come to the front.
As a side, I do wonder how Pirelli's image is being tarnished by all this talk of s
t fall apart tyres that only last 5 minutes?not exactly traits you would want to promote as a tyre manufacture is it?
Schumacher was at his best when he was tyres which were designed around him and his car.
He now sounds like he is bellyaching because he isn't geting the "special" treatment he was used to in his "glory" days.
Let him and the rest of them get on with it. It's just another equation they all have to manage. He's a multiple world champion for goodness sake,. he should be able to cope.
He now sounds like he is bellyaching because he isn't geting the "special" treatment he was used to in his "glory" days.
Let him and the rest of them get on with it. It's just another equation they all have to manage. He's a multiple world champion for goodness sake,. he should be able to cope.
Eric Mc said:
Let him and the rest of them get on with it. It's just another equation they all have to manage. He's a multiple world champion for goodness sake,. he should be able to cope.
yes but many would say that he was only champion so many times because the tyres were designed for the car which was designed for him, being the sport's golden boyEric Mc said:
That's what I was hinting at. He had everything going for him back then. Now he's having to drive a less than ideal set up - and it appears to rankle him somewhat.
just for a moment, ignore the fact that it's Schumacher...are you seriously trying to say you think having tyres that fall apart at the first sigh of pressing on is a good thing?
at this rate we might just as well have them all running on ECO tyres...
may I remind you this is supposed to be F1 FFS?
Scuffers said:
just for a moment, ignore the fact that it's Schumacher...
are you seriously trying to say you think having tyres that fall apart at the first sigh of pressing on is a good thing?
at this rate we might just as well have them all running on ECO tyres...
may I remind you this is supposed to be F1 FFS?
The debate has also spread to the Spanish GP thread.are you seriously trying to say you think having tyres that fall apart at the first sigh of pressing on is a good thing?
at this rate we might just as well have them all running on ECO tyres...
may I remind you this is supposed to be F1 FFS?
I said this over there -
I've said this a number of times on such debates, but the big difference between "then" and "now" is ignorance. Back then teams were smaller with less resources and comparitively less money. They were therefore always operating in a situation of low knowledge levels and therefore were less able to predict mechanical degradation of the cars and tyres. That had always been the case since the dawn of competitive motoring.
From the early 1990s onwards, the teams began to get bigger with more resources as well as having massive computer power at their disposal. Gradually, over the next decade and a half the unpredictability of F1 began to fade away as the teams, especially the top two or three, began to understand PRECISELY how the car would behave at certain circuits and in certain conditions.
We will never go back to that period of ignorance again. Too much F1 technical knowledge has been amassed over 6 decades of post war racing.
The only way to have unpredictability in F1 is to deliberately engineer it into the specifications. It may be false but if this isn't done, we will be back to the Schumacher era of the late 90s, early 2000s of complete domininance and processional racing.
That may represent the peak of automotive engineering - but it will be dire to watch and the sport will die - as it was beginning to do in the early 2000s. And it was the decline in the traditional venues that drove the move to the far and middle east - which I think is a dreadful miscalculation.
Which would you prefer?
Sorry Eric, but that's mostly b00l0cks.
yes teams have got better, as has tyre technology, however, given a free hand and competition, we would still have them trying to push the boat out to get an advantage, just the same as they have for 40+ years.
we had it not so long back with Michelin and Bridgestone, their tyres performed differently, and teams had to get the best from them.
to then throw in fall-appart tyres just to spice things up is pathetic, might just as well do as WWF do and make it all for show.
don't try and make out that this is necessary to get good racing, it's not, go to any race meeting and look, they don't need stupid tyres to make a race.
yes teams have got better, as has tyre technology, however, given a free hand and competition, we would still have them trying to push the boat out to get an advantage, just the same as they have for 40+ years.
we had it not so long back with Michelin and Bridgestone, their tyres performed differently, and teams had to get the best from them.
to then throw in fall-appart tyres just to spice things up is pathetic, might just as well do as WWF do and make it all for show.
don't try and make out that this is necessary to get good racing, it's not, go to any race meeting and look, they don't need stupid tyres to make a race.
Johnboy Mac said:
Yes, the most untalented seven times WC ever!
Exactly - I never really admired him, but the record speaks for itself. I suppose some doubters also thought he was poor in the rain? The problem then was that the talent around him was not as good as it is now. There is now so much talent on the grid that he is looking a bit mediocre, but I doubt that he has forgotten much. Delivery is now his problem.
rdjohn said:
Johnboy Mac said:
Yes, the most untalented seven times WC ever!
Exactly - I never really admired him, but the record speaks for itself. I suppose some doubters also thought he was poor in the rain? The problem then was that the talent around him was not as good as it is now. There is now so much talent on the grid that he is looking a bit mediocre, but I doubt that he has forgotten much. Delivery is now his problem.
Oh, he was crap in the rain too. 
Agree with Scuffers - it's become totally artificial, and that's why the grid has closed up. The tyre design is totally at odds with the concept of F1.
Once you take the WWF route of deliberatley manipulating results, why not go the whole hog and give some teams better tyres than others on different weekends, just to spice up the championship. Then, you could get 5 different winners, including a couple of surprises, in 5 weekends. Oh, wait a minute...
Once you take the WWF route of deliberatley manipulating results, why not go the whole hog and give some teams better tyres than others on different weekends, just to spice up the championship. Then, you could get 5 different winners, including a couple of surprises, in 5 weekends. Oh, wait a minute...
footsoldier said:
Agree with Scuffers - it's become totally artificial, and that's why the grid has closed up. The tyre design is totally at odds with the concept of F1.
Once you take the WWF route of deliberatley manipulating results, why not go the whole hog and give some teams better tyres than others on different weekends, just to spice up the championship. Then, you could get 5 different winners, including a couple of surprises, in 5 weekends. Oh, wait a minute...
The vast majority of the rules are to "artificially" influence performance.Once you take the WWF route of deliberatley manipulating results, why not go the whole hog and give some teams better tyres than others on different weekends, just to spice up the championship. Then, you could get 5 different winners, including a couple of surprises, in 5 weekends. Oh, wait a minute...
Everyone runs with the same rules. Schumacher's team mate appears to have won a race with the same car, tyres, rules etc.
It's hard not to see it as belly aching from someone for whom things aren't working out as expected. 7WC or not, that's not cool...
Also, those teams not trying during quali' were given a lesson why they should try next time with the result.
Removing things like the wings would be no less artificial than having limited life tyres.
FWIW however, I'm an advocate of much more open rules. Draw a box and say the car must fit in it, be open wheeled, single seat and (if we want to be green) give them a max amount of standard pump fuel (FIA troll off to the local Shell/BP/Texaco etc and get it so no fuel shenanigans that man in the street cannot benefit from). And leave it there.
TheHeretic said:
How is it manipulating results? The tyres may degrade, and you can argue about that all day long, BUT it is still the same for all the teams.
reading the comments from all the teams over the year so far, it would appear not, they are complaining that they are not consistent/predictable.Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff