DL1's

[trackcar]

I didnt receive any email on that subject

[G Star Racing]

ceejay said:

G sent an email re logger prices and calendar dates on Thursday. Did you receive it?

Our web site and email is down at the moment, sorry not G fault. Would it be possible to post on here?

[ceejay]

Joo, just forwarded the email to you.

I assume the pricing was emailed to keep the deal private, best not to post here.

You can call me if you need the prices asap, go to contact page on www.tvr-racing.co.uk

Edited by ceejay on Friday 18th January 21:20

[G Star Racing]

Point taken regards to posting on here, Cliff can you send me the details [e-mail] Cheers, John.

[ceejay]

YHM

[G Star Racing]

Cheers Cliff...

[G Star Racing]

Had a beer with a TVR Race engineer this weekend. He said DL1's are going to be a nightmare this year, due to the point that a race car set up correctly will lay more rubber to the road giving a true BHP as to the said vehicle. A vehicle not set up so well may have more than reqd BHP but will not get the power down on the track. I hope the said person is logging on to this forum? in fact I will text him now. PS. He also states that the data logger is reluctant to not record infomation even though drivers have switched on the product? ... So what is going to happen to the series points awarded to the driver?

Edited by G Star Racing on Sunday 27th January 18:46

Edited by G Star Racing on Sunday 27th January 19:00

[Graham]

Its power at the wheels so, that you've got at the wheels is what you've got at the wheels.

I've used them for 4+ years and the only reason its never recorded data is i've not turned it on. we can set them to start automatically so no poblem there..


so with respect the chaps talking boocks.... If its good enough for britcar and several international championships then they are good enough for us...


they are what we are using so lets just get on with it... and stop listening to uninformed hersay FFS


Heck I heard this chap say TVR were going to build 5000 cars and flog them in the states this year...

Edited by Graham on Sunday 27th January 19:25

[G Star Racing]

Graham said:

Its power at the wheels so, that you've got at the wheels is what you've got at the wheels.

I've used them for 4+ years and the only reason its never recorded data is i've not turned it on. we can set them to start automatically so no poblem there..


so with respect the chaps talking boocks.... If its good enough for britcar and several international championships then they are good enough for us...


they are what we are using so lets just get on with it... and stop listening to uninformed hersay FFS


Heck I heard this chap say TVR were going to build 5000 cars and flog them in the states this year...

Edited by Graham on Sunday 27th January 19:25

I hope the said person comes on line and gives you the reqd banter this therad wants...

[cobdoo]

Graham said:

Its power at the wheels so, that you've got at the wheels is what you've got at the wheels.

I've used them for 4+ years and the only reason its never recorded data is i've not turned it on. we can set them to start automatically so no poblem there..


so with respect the chaps talking boocks.... If its good enough for britcar and several international championships then they are good enough for us...


they are what we are using so lets just get on with it... and stop listening to uninformed hersay FFS


Heck I heard this chap say TVR were going to build 5000 cars and flog them in the states this year...

Edited by Graham on Sunday 27th January 19:25

So how does it work it all out .......?

[G Star Racing]

cobdoo said:

Graham said:

Its power at the wheels so, that you've got at the wheels is what you've got at the wheels.

I've used them for 4+ years and the only reason its never recorded data is i've not turned it on. we can set them to start automatically so no poblem there..


so with respect the chaps talking boocks.... If its good enough for britcar and several international championships then they are good enough for us...


they are what we are using so lets just get on with it... and stop listening to uninformed hersay FFS


Heck I heard this chap say TVR were going to build 5000 cars and flog them in the states this year...

Edited by Graham on Sunday 27th January 19:25

So how does it work it all out .......?

Come on JG. Your info is needed!

[heightswitch]

G Star Racing said:

cobdoo said:

Graham said:

Its power at the wheels so, that you've got at the wheels is what you've got at the wheels.

I've used them for 4+ years and the only reason its never recorded data is i've not turned it on. we can set them to start automatically so no poblem there..


so with respect the chaps talking boocks.... If its good enough for britcar and several international championships then they are good enough for us...


they are what we are using so lets just get on with it... and stop listening to uninformed hersay FFS


Heck I heard this chap say TVR were going to build 5000 cars and flog them in the states this year...

Edited by Graham on Sunday 27th January 19:25

So how does it work it all out .......?

Come on JG. Your info is needed!

just slacken the wheel bearings off and set the car up properly then Johnny so we can see what it is really producing C'mon you know you really want to run in B.

N.

[ceejay]

G Star Racing said:

Had a beer with a TVR Race engineer this weekend. He said DL1's are going to be a nightmare this year, due to the point that a race car set up correctly will lay more rubber to the road giving a true BHP as to the said vehicle. A vehicle not set up so well may have more than reqd BHP but will not get the power down on the track. I hope the said person is logging on to this forum? in fact I will text him now. PS. He also states that the data logger is reluctant to not record infomation even though drivers have switched on the product? ... So what is going to happen to the series points awarded to the driver?

Edited by G Star Racing on Sunday 27th January 18:46

Edited by G Star Racing on Sunday 27th January 19:00

Jeesh, whatever next? Bottom line is the chap looking at the data will choose several locations on the circuit as analysis points. If you choose a point near the end of a straight for instance then the car will be in a high gear and flat out ( I mean you're not gonna back off to make your numbers look good plus you don't know where the data point is anyway). So the car is in high gear and flat out, can't see a set-up affecting that calculation unless it has stupid amounts of toe in. In which case you'll goose your tyres in a couple of laps and be at the back of the field anyway.

[Chassis 33]

FWIW I think the introduction of DL1's has spooked some folks. My concern over PTW was never the actual accuracy of the unit itself but the policing of the rules surrounding it. Graham has convinced me that the DL1s will be suitably policed and despite the smoke and mirrors put about by some who are, IMO, looking for excuses to get their cars around the regs the DL1s will be a success.

My issues are a little more fundamental than the car, I'm still in a lot of pain from the accident, my back went again yesterday and I'm off to the quacks now...again. I'm just hoping I can be fit to race at least some of the season.

Regards
Iain

[teamHOLDENracing]

G Star Racing said:

Had a beer with a TVR Race engineer this weekend. He said DL1's are going to be a nightmare this year, due to the point that a race car set up correctly will lay more rubber to the road giving a true BHP as to the said vehicle. A vehicle not set up so well may have more than reqd BHP but will not get the power down on the track. I hope the said person is logging on to this forum? in fact I will text him now. PS. He also states that the data logger is reluctant to not record infomation even though drivers have switched on the product? ... So what is going to happen to the series points awarded to the driver?

I don't see what you are worried about. Presumably your car is well set up and transmitting power to the road effectively. You will also no doubt have your car bang on the PTW limit for your class and the DL1 will confirm this accurately.

If I understand correctly, you think there might be a car with a higher PTW than allowed in the class, but because of its poor set up it won't transmit power to the road effectively and it will fool the DL1 into thinking it is less powerful.

Given that, in that hypothetical situation, the guy in the second car won't be going quickly due to his poor set up, nor getting his excessive power down on the road, what is there to be worried about?!

[ceejay]

I guess the theory is the guy would have more power than could be put on the tarmac. This may hold water in low gears but if you read my post anyone can see this won't work in high gears. If it did we'd have slick shod cars lighting up their tyres at 120mph plus all along the main straights in 4th gear in B and C. Me thinks this will be easy to spot!. I should add that during a test at Snett the actuator pipes melted on my turbo taz and the wastegates didn't work. I lit the rear tyres up at about 140mph in 5th gear just before the esses. More scary than Anglesey pit wall in 04 (for those that remember!!!)

When I compared the data from the T350 and the turbo tasmin the speeds at the end of the straights are virtually identical. The T350 corner exit speed is higher than the Taz and once on power you can stay on power giving straight acceleration graphs. The Taz traces show peaks, basically on and off the power as it spun it's wheels and you balance the car. Once it had traction it starts to catch the T350, matching it's speed over a shorter distance. The Taz had more power than the T350 even though it couldn't make best use of it and was slower over a lap. The logger clearly shows this to be the case.

ceejay

[TVRleigh_BBWR]

I agree with CJ if you can spin you wheels in 4 / 5th down the stright, then you have too much power for class B or C where there are being used.

The rules are simple, and if you don't want a DL1 you can allways run in class A.

[Daftlad]

TVRleigh_BBWR said:

The rules are simple, and if you don't want a DL1 you can allways run in class A.

Not quite as simple as you suggest though.

[TVRleigh_BBWR]

Umm they are for me.

But I'm new to this. but think there are very fair and simple.

[Daftlad]

TVRleigh_BBWR said:

Umm they are for me.

But I'm new to this. but think there are very fair and simple.

Me too Liegh, it was you reference to cars without DLs running in Class A - you seemed to forget about the poor relations in their V6s