How many races until Schumacher has/does one of his "stunts"

[ADEuk]

ferrisbueller said:

ADEuk said:

190mph? You sure? Does anyone know exactly what speed they went past the pit exit at? I can't believe 190mph, they used to use all the long straight at the old Hock to get to that speed

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/835/6767/speed_trap.html

180-ish.

Blimey, quick.
Thanks

[_Batty_]

Mojocvh said:

the most damming of all....




Note positioning of the cobblers helmet and his car pointing towards the wall...........

Edited by Mojocvh on Thursday 12th August 19:56

just not cricket IMHO
a black flag and a grid drop is a pathetic punishment for such a heinous crime

[mchammer89]

Mojocvh said:

the most damming of all....Copy/paste link location for the big picture..http://thumbsnap.com/D6wMyxx1?src=tsd





Note positioning of the cobblers helmet and his car pointing towards the wall...........

Though that makes it seem like Rubens' car is touching the wall, pretty misleading photo. Don't get me wrong, i'm not defending Schumacher, it was a horrible decision he made to squeeze Rebens that much but some guys are just blowing it out of proportion.

[paulrockliffe]

Just popping into the thread to check you all realise that that white line is the edge of the track and that the next white line is the pitlane exit line?

Whether there is a gap between Rubens and the wall isn't relevant, it's that white line that the 'gap' would be referenced from. It's pretty clear that there isn't a cars width between Schumacher and that line.

[mchammer89]

paulrockliffe said:

Just popping into the thread to check you all realise that that white line is the edge of the track and that the next white line is the pitlane exit line?

Whether there is a gap between Rubens and the wall isn't relevant, it's that white line that the 'gap' would be referenced from. It's pretty clear that there isn't a cars width between Schumacher and that line.

So the standard practice of running someone off the track to hold position (for example at the Hockenheim hairpin) is just as bad as what Schumacher did to Rubens?

I think the wall is pretty relevant.

[SRT77]

Mojocvh said:

the most damming of all....Copy/paste link location for the big picture..http://thumbsnap.com/D6wMyxx1?src=tsd





Note positioning of the cobblers helmet and his car pointing towards the wall...........

Now where exactly would you expect Shumacher to be looking. Casually to the left?
The photo is misleading having been taken way off to the right as we look and with a long lens. To really see the gap or not the camera would have to be in line with the end of the pit wall.

Edited by Mojocvh on Thursday 12th August 20:04[/footnote]

[footnote]Edited by SRT77 on Thursday 12th August 22:43

[Mazda Baiter]

SRT77 said:

Mojocvh said:

the most damming of all....Copy/paste link location for the big picture..http://thumbsnap.com/D6wMyxx1?src=tsd





Note positioning of the cobblers helmet and his car pointing towards the wall...........

Now where exactly would you expect Shumacher to be looking. Casually to the left?
The photo is misleading having been taken way off to the right as we look and with a long lens. To really see the gap or not the camera would have to be in line with the end of the pit wall.

Edited by Mojocvh on Thursday 12th August 20:04

Not really. The camera seems to be looking pretty much down the white line. which would be a pretty good indicator of distances to the wall etc.

[mchammer89]

Mazda Baiter said:

SRT77 said:

Mojocvh said:

the most damming of all....Copy/paste link location for the big picture..http://thumbsnap.com/D6wMyxx1?src=tsd





Note positioning of the cobblers helmet and his car pointing towards the wall...........

Now where exactly would you expect Shumacher to be looking. Casually to the left?
The photo is misleading having been taken way off to the right as we look and with a long lens. To really see the gap or not the camera would have to be in line with the end of the pit wall.

Edited by Mojocvh on Thursday 12th August 20:04

Not really. The camera seems to be looking pretty much down the white line. which would be a pretty good indicator of distances to the wall etc.

So going by that picture, what would you say is the distance between the cars? And maybe a quick explanation into your guess.

Like SRT77 says, to come even close to a guess you'd need either a shot taken parallel to the wall, or ideally an ariel shot.

[SRT77]

Check out this picture on James Allens website http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/schumacherba...
They are both further down the road yet Barri has more room. In the pic here on PH Barri is actually a good half a cars length behind Schumi which has the effect of making the gap look smaller.

[TuxRacer]

At that speed it wouldn't have taken much of a kink in the wall for it all to come unstuck.

[RedexR]

Gary C said:

RichB said:

At the start of the move Schumacher is in the centre of the track, the instant Barrachello moves to his right Schumacher closes the gap up on him and continues pushing even though he's gaining ground alongside him. Clear enough to me.

Exactly and thats not racing. MS knew he was slow out of the last corner, and at that point a racer should decide where he is going to position their car to defend. If he wanted to cover the inside line he should move earlier and take a strong position on the right. MS waited for RB to move, then moved to block. Totally unfair. RB also radioed earlier that MS was waiting for him to move then blocking each time.

MS has shown himself to be the prat I always thought he was.

Sooner Merc dump him the better. Gone and forgotten.

Very well put , I really find it hard to believe that people are still sticking up for the guy , nearly wiping your ex team mate out over your precious sense of pride , beaten fair and square but couldn't bare the shame. So nearly a caterstrophic accident , this guy really should know better at his age.

[Mojocvh]

mchammer89 said:

paulrockliffe said:

Just popping into the thread to check you all realise that that white line is the edge of the track and that the next white line is the pitlane exit line?

Whether there is a gap between Rubens and the wall isn't relevant, it's that white line that the 'gap' would be referenced from. It's pretty clear that there isn't a cars width between Schumacher and that line.

So the standard practice of running someone off the track to hold position (for example at the Hockenheim hairpin) is just as bad as what Schumacher did to Rubens?

I think the wall is pretty relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E22W0UgspnI

'nuf said. The cobbler should no longer be participating in F1, he's well past his best and his driving standards have fallen way too low.

[heebeegeetee]

Mojocvh said:

mchammer89 said:

paulrockliffe said:

Just popping into the thread to check you all realise that that white line is the edge of the track and that the next white line is the pitlane exit line?

Whether there is a gap between Rubens and the wall isn't relevant, it's that white line that the 'gap' would be referenced from. It's pretty clear that there isn't a cars width between Schumacher and that line.

So the standard practice of running someone off the track to hold position (for example at the Hockenheim hairpin) is just as bad as what Schumacher did to Rubens?

I think the wall is pretty relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E22W0UgspnI

'nuf said. The cobbler should no longer be participating in F1, he's well past his best and his driving standards have fallen way too low.

It's a shame, watching that. MS knew he'd lost the place at the previous corner, so why bother fighting it? He's still trying to repass RB after nearly putting him in the wall, but why is he trying to get in front of a faster car? All he's going to do is hold him up.

And all for 10th place. It does seem a bit pathetic.

[Daston]

to me it looks like he only started moving accross when RB had his front wheel along side MS rear wheel.

[TuxRacer]

RedexR said:

Gary C said:

MS has shown himself to be the prat I always thought he was.

Sooner Merc dump him the better. Gone and forgotten.

Very well put , I really find it hard to believe that people are still sticking up for the guy , nearly wiping your ex team mate out over your precious sense of pride , beaten fair and square but couldn't bare the shame. So nearly a caterstrophic accident , this guy really should know better at his age.

I don't want Merc to dump him.

I always thought he was a total ass and a crap sport and finally it seems like nearly everyone else can see it, so I'm quite happy for him to continue cementing this image in our memories.

[Derek Smith]

TuxRacer said:

I don't want Merc to dump him.

I always thought he was a total ass and a crap sport and finally it seems like nearly everyone else can see it, so I'm quite happy for him to continue cementing this image in our memories.

I suppose your realise that this attitude doesn't give you the moral high ground.

[TuxRacer]

It's overrated anyway.

[10 Pence Short]

Derek Smith said:

TuxRacer said:

I don't want Merc to dump him.

I always thought he was a total ass and a crap sport and finally it seems like nearly everyone else can see it, so I'm quite happy for him to continue cementing this image in our memories.

I suppose your realise that this attitude doesn't give you the moral high ground.

Who needs moral high ground? The guy did very well for himself, of that there is no question. Whether he managed that through fair competing within the spirit of motorsport is much more in question.

He ditched Jordan as soon as the chance arose (fair enough), there are valid question marks over the legality of his car at Benetton, let alone the validity of his World Championship in light of the manoevre at Adelaide.

Then you have a number of years driving for a team more or less known as the competition arm of the FIA, benefitting from a large number of political and technical helping hands and blind eyes from the FIA to win championships, not withstanding he already had the best team of designers and team managers on the grid, the best resourced team and a contractual obligation on behalf of his team mate to concede position whenever the need arose.

And then there are the stunts. Driving into competitors and having scant regard for the limits of the race track. Never willing to concede fairly when the game was well and truly up. There's being competetive and there's not seeing the wood for the trees.

I'm glad he's come back, so the veneer of bullst that surrounded his statistically impressive career can well and truly be scrubbed off. I hate the thought that such a historical and heroic sport such as F1 should be headed in order of success by such a morally bankrupt driver such as Schumacher.

[Derek Smith]

10 Pence Short said:

Who needs moral high ground? The guy did very well for himself, of that there is no question. Whether he managed that through fair competing within the spirit of motorsport is much more in question.

He ditched Jordan as soon as the chance arose (fair enough), there are valid question marks over the legality of his car at Benetton, let alone the validity of his World Championship in light of the manoevre at Adelaide.

Then you have a number of years driving for a team more or less known as the competition arm of the FIA, benefitting from a large number of political and technical helping hands and blind eyes from the FIA to win championships, not withstanding he already had the best team of designers and team managers on the grid, the best resourced team and a contractual obligation on behalf of his team mate to concede position whenever the need arose.

And then there are the stunts. Driving into competitors and having scant regard for the limits of the race track. Never willing to concede fairly when the game was well and truly up. There's being competetive and there's not seeing the wood for the trees.

I'm glad he's come back, so the veneer of bullst that surrounded his statistically impressive career can well and truly be scrubbed off. I hate the thought that such a historical and heroic sport such as F1 should be headed in order of success by such a morally bankrupt driver such as Schumacher.

It's not often any PHer says that they agree wholeheartedly with what another poster has said. And I'm not going to do that here:

. . . there are valid question marks over the legality of his car at Benetton . . .

A question mark denotes doubt in this context.

I love the phrase:

. . . the competition arm of the FIA . . .

Is it yours? I've not heard it before.

[Alfanatic]

mchammer89 said:

Alfanatic said:

mchammer89 said:

Only on PH can you get a photo of two cars side by side, with gaps on both sides accompanied with a comment that there was no gap.

To me in that photo it looks like Rubens is touching the wall.

Considering you can see the shadow on the ground in front of the end of the pit wall I think we can safely say that the front of Rubens' car is clear of the pit wall, therefore there is still a gap of a few inches between the car and the wall.

OK, I think you are right about the gap:



I also can't see any pictures showing tyre marks on the wall which would be present if he had scraped it.