The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2012 ***SPOILERS***

[mattyn1]

CiderwithCerbie said:

But not the life of others... (serious point)

100% agree this is where my view falls over. The sport needs characters to keep the fans interested, which keeps the money flowing, and to keep the discussion going.
The debate about MS will go on for years. For the sport that is a good thing.

I am interested in your qualifications. F1 based or other motor sport?

[toppstuff]

CiderwithCerbie said:

Keep up at the back!

I don't hate him - never met the guy - I just say what I think - he's an overrated cheat who did not care about anyone but himself. He put his fellow competitors at serious risk with his pure arrogance and damaged the credibility of F1 for years. He also thought he could waltz back in and trump the new generation, but has had a nasty shock which puts the veracity of his years of dominance into question.

Oh, & I am not alone in these views, but I am the one who most enjoys flushing the blind Scumsucker fanboy including the abusers who add nothing to the debate.
BTW you know nothing about me, so why is it OK to write such abusive tripe - you hypocrite.

I won't answer the underachieving bit but perhaps someone else can inform this ignoramus of my qualifications?

All fair points, though, well made...

[Cheese Mechanic]

toppstuff said:

CiderwithCerbie said:

Keep up at the back!

I don't hate him - never met the guy - I just say what I think - he's an overrated cheat who did not care about anyone but himself. He put his fellow competitors at serious risk with his pure arrogance and damaged the credibility of F1 for years. He also thought he could waltz back in and trump the new generation, but has had a nasty shock which puts the veracity of his years of dominance into question.

Oh, & I am not alone in these views, but I am the one who most enjoys flushing the blind Scumsucker fanboy including the abusers who add nothing to the debate.
BTW you know nothing about me, so why is it OK to write such abusive tripe - you hypocrite.

I won't answer the underachieving bit but perhaps someone else can inform this ignoramus of my qualifications?

All fair points, though, well made...

Yep, just about puts the stain in a nutshell. He single handedly (well ok with a lot of help from Fiat) put me off F1 for several years.
The man is an utter disgrace, he has not changed , his antics of near putting Barrichelo into the wall is just one instance, to me, he just reminds me of
the negative reactions I had concerning F1 , I just want him to go away , he is the turd in the swimming pool.

[Derek Smith]

IainT said:

Drive-through should have been a fine as per speeding during qually.

The speeding in the pit lane was during the race. The fact that the chequered flag had not dropped is neither here nor there. For the purposes of the pitlane regs the penalty at that time of the race is a drive-through.

[IainT]

Derek Smith said:

IainT said:

Drive-through should have been a fine as per speeding during qually.

The speeding in the pit lane was during the race. The fact that the chequered flag had not dropped is neither here nor there. For the purposes of the pitlane regs the penalty at that time of the race is a drive-through.

You may be right - if a driver speeds leaving the pits on the way to the grid it's a fine. After the formation lap though it may be considered that the race has started. Depends on the specific wording of the regs though.

That aside, it's rarely the driver's fault unless they enter the lane too fast, it's more commonly an electrical fault with the speed govenor.

[toppstuff]

Cheese Mechanic said:

he is the turd in the swimming pool.

Nice line. Accurate and to the point. I'll remember that and use it myself sometime.

[Mermaid]

toppstuff said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

he is the turd in the swimming pool.

Nice line. Accurate and to the point. I'll remember that and use it myself sometime.

Apt.

He needs to recognise that & vacate the scene.

[Gun]

I thought from what Ross Brawn said at the German GP Schumacher will almost definitely be calling it a day this season. Didn't he say who ever is in the car next season will be in it for 2014 as well due to the big rule changes that are coming?

[MGJohn]

Gun said:

I thought from what Ross Brawn said at the German GP Schumacher will almost definitely be calling it a day this season. Didn't he say who ever is in the car next season will be in it for 2014 as well due to the big rule changes that are coming?

Whatever happened to the Hungarian GP thread ? It's become the anti-MSC show.

"almost definitely" ... "whoever" ... "for 2014 as well" ... could be MSC still! Deep joy for the antis ... more mirth ... .. Bring it on.

[Gun]

MGJohn said:

Gun said:

I thought from what Ross Brawn said at the German GP Schumacher will almost definitely be calling it a day this season. Didn't he say who ever is in the car next season will be in it for 2014 as well due to the big rule changes that are coming?

Whatever happened to the Hungarian GP thread ? It's become the anti-MSC show.

"almost definitely" ... "whoever" ... "for 2014 as well" ... could be MSC still! Deep joy for the antis ... more mirth ... .. Bring it on.

So what in my post is anti-Schumacher?? I was merely stating what Brawn said.

[toppstuff]

MGJohn said:

Whatever happened to the Hungarian GP thread ? It's become the anti-MSC show

In fairness, if any other top tier ex WDC driver on the grid had been through the same experiences over the race , I have no doubt we would be talking about him instead !

[MGJohn]

Gun said:

MGJohn said:

Gun said:

I thought from what Ross Brawn said at the German GP Schumacher will almost definitely be calling it a day this season. Didn't he say who ever is in the car next season will be in it for 2014 as well due to the big rule changes that are coming?

Whatever happened to the Hungarian GP thread ? It's become the anti-MSC show.

"almost definitely" ... "whoever" ... "for 2014 as well" ... could be MSC still! Deep joy for the antis ... more mirth ... .. Bring it on.

So what in my post is anti-Schumacher?? I was merely stating what Brawn said.

Correct... 10/10 .. Looks like Brawn is an 'anti'.. .. In all the years working together, I suspect he really didn't like him ...

toppstuff said:

MGJohn said:

Whatever happened to the Hungarian GP thread ? It's become the anti-MSC show

In fairness, if any other top tier ex WDC driver on the grid had been through the same experiences over the race , I have no doubt we would be talking about him instead !

Had Maldonado done a 'Hamilton' or even a 'Maldonado', that's a certainty. ..

[Gun]

MGJohn said:

Correct... 10/10 .. Looks like Brawn is an 'anti'.. .. In all the years working together, I suspect he really didn't like him ...

You could do with being a little less precious when someone says anything other than positive things about schumacher, would you react the same if we were talking about Massa?

[MGJohn]

Gun said:

MGJohn said:

Correct... 10/10 .. Looks like Brawn is an 'anti'.. .. In all the years working together, I suspect he really didn't like him ...

You could do with being a little less precious when someone says anything other than positive things about schumacher, would you react the same if we were talking about Massa?

Depends on my mood at the time. My mood now is not in precious 'mode'... lighten up comes to mind...

[Gun]

MGJohn said:

Gun said:

MGJohn said:

Correct... 10/10 .. Looks like Brawn is an 'anti'.. .. In all the years working together, I suspect he really didn't like him ...

You could do with being a little less precious when someone says anything other than positive things about schumacher, would you react the same if we were talking about Massa?

Depends on my mood at the time. My mood now is not in precious 'mode'... lighten up comes to mind...

Still can't point out anything that was anti-Schumacher in my post then I guess...

[MGJohn]

Oh Dearie me... you're still gunning for me. Hey, nearly a pun.

Lighten up.

Second thoughts:~

Regarding my thoughts on Massa, in the unlikely event of you being sufficiently interested, a little search here will soon reveal my views on the anti-Massa types who sometimes form queues to post their negativity in much the same way as others do for Schumacher.

More seriously, rightly or wrongly, I felt your post could be placed under the anti heading as it provided additional ammunition to all those who are genuinely anti in "calling for the head of the Hun"...

These are my views on these far from important matters.

[jamieboy]

Derek Smith said:

The speeding in the pit lane was during the race. The fact that the chequered flag had not dropped is neither here nor there. For the purposes of the pitlane regs the penalty at that time of the race is a drive-through.

Which regulation tells us that?

[MGJohn]

jamieboy said:

Derek Smith said:

The speeding in the pit lane was during the race. The fact that the chequered flag had not dropped is neither here nor there. For the purposes of the pitlane regs the penalty at that time of the race is a drive-through.

Which regulation tells us that?

A very grey area to the observer but no doubt the rules were interpreted correctly on Sunday.

I like to place my bets on the race at the very last moment but, if you try to place a bet during the 'formation / warm up' lap, Bookmakers have closed their books stating the race has started.

[Derek Smith]

jamieboy said:

Derek Smith said:

The speeding in the pit lane was during the race. The fact that the chequered flag had not dropped is neither here nor there. For the purposes of the pitlane regs the penalty at that time of the race is a drive-through.

Which regulation tells us that?

It's to do with the timings. You see the various timing boards going up. That's not to get the drivers to check their watches. They show that various conditions have changed. You can't do such and such any more. The regs are complex and many a team have dropped a clanger by doing something at the wrong time.

[jamieboy]

Derek Smith said:

It's to do with the timings. You see the various timing boards going up. That's not to get the drivers to check their watches. They show that various conditions have changed. You can't do such and such any more. The regs are complex and many a team have dropped a clanger by doing something at the wrong time.

Agreed, but I couldn't see the specific regulation that was behind your comment.

The closest was 38.11:

38.11 said:

If a car develops a problem that could endanger the start the driver must immediately raise his hands above his head and the marshal responsible for that row must immediately wave a yellow flag. If the race director decides the start should be delayed the green lights will be illuminated two seconds after the abort lights are switched on, a board saying “EXTRA FORMATION LAP” will be displayed and all cars able to do so must complete a further formation lap whilst the car which developed the problem is moved into the pit lane.

Which suggests that the start (of the race) is delayed, which in turn suggest that the race (as opposed to the meeting, or the event) has not started until it has been started.

the latter part of 38.11 said:

When leaving the grid to complete the extra formation lap all drivers must respect the
pit lane speed limit until they pass pole position.

To my reading, that seems most likely to be the bit Schumacher fell foul of.

edit to add: rule section 38 is titled "Starting Procedure" and precedes section 39, titled "The Race".

Edited by jamieboy on Tuesday 31st July 19:29